Author Topic: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.  (Read 1507 times)

Re: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2019, 03:54:54 PM »
Moby Dick.

Obviously there is some genuine beauty in there but a very sizeable chunk is dedicated to Herman pissing on about Wale Biology, clearly something that he was very very interested in and this made it a pain to get through. Still the bits that aren’t wale biology are good.


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Re: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2019, 04:23:07 PM »
Ffs lol

icehaven

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Re: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2019, 12:26:02 PM »


They could at least have put the 2nd and 3rd stickers over his eyes and then burnt every copy in existence.

Re: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2019, 12:49:44 PM »
Stewart Lee's set designer gets ideas...

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Re: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2019, 04:51:57 PM »
Jim Davidson's first autobiography- there have been more since sadly. In it he tells of the time he dropped some LSD and turned into the devil when he looked into the mirror. The only point he in his life where he ever reached a level of self realisation I'd suggest. It's chock full of tales of boozing and dolly birds but doesn't get anywhere near the levels of sexy bragging as Shane Richie's 'From Rags to Richie' which has lurid descriptions of knobbing on almost every page. Both were disturbingly enjoyable as they didn't appear ghost written, letting the two light entertainers internal voices infect the pages like blue veins on stilton.

I bought one of his autobiographies (his second I think, Close to the Edge, presumably a reference to Yes) from a charity shop and got a disapproving look from the woman at the counter. I don't think she believed me when I blurted out 'I'm not a fan, just curious about how horrible this will be'.

I never finished it. To give credit where it's due, the tone is well established on the first page, describing a fight between Davidson and his wife where they threw plates at each other.

Re: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2019, 05:04:38 PM »
Quick post to say that Steve Brookstein's autobiography 'Getting Over The X' is everything that I thought it was going to be.  Bitter as fuck and completely self-unaware.  Hardly anybody comes out of this well.  The postage cost £1.15 more than book itself.

Re: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2019, 09:56:49 PM »
So is Hilary Clinton's 'What Happened worth a hate read as she goes on a diatribe but everyone she feels had a hand in costing her self perceived rightful place as POTUS. Everyone to blame bar HRC herself.

Re: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2019, 02:10:29 AM »
So is Hilary Clinton's 'What Happened worth a hate read as she goes on a diatribe but everyone she feels had a hand in costing her self perceived rightful place as POTUS. Everyone to blame bar HRC herself.

I felt sorry for Hillary to some degree, when she failed to achieve her (mostly accurately) predicted win in 2016.

Her campaign was an arrogant and expensive mess, but hardly the shitshow Trump put on - even after gaining much needed funding and support post RNC convention, via the Mercer father and daughter combo injecting cash, Kellyanne and Bannon!

Perhaps pity is the better descriptor for Hillary? She mix-messaged the email storm-in-a-teacup fiasco badly, with significant unnecessary assistance from Jim Comey (the latter an otherwise honorable DOJ lifer, but with a flawed tendency towards unnecessary attention and drama).

In her last 10+ hours of gruelling, non-stop, yet incredibly impressive House Select Cmte on Benghazi testimony - Hillary demonstrated a mettle absent from virtually every aspect of her overwrought and over-complicated campaign.

Mike Pompeo might play the pitch perfect, Trump enabler, top of his West Point class statesman now, after his brief stint as CIA chief allowed him to succeed the misplaced Rex Tillerson at State - but when Trey Gowdy's flagging hearing progressed into absurdity, staunch conservative John Podhoretz (editor of right wing Commentary Magazine) observed via Twitter "Why doesn't Pompeo just go over and swear her in for president now?"

Unfortunately for Hillary, she could not replicate the same compelling resilience on short campaign trail stops where her message mattered. Plus she was disadvantaged by self-inflicting wounds, namely losing otherwise-valuable campaign staff early in an overzealous manner - as she attempted to fix 2008 faults, at the expense of her 2016 message.

I agree that Hillary's book is less than satisfactory, from the perspective of even a sympathetic quasi-objective assessment of what actually happened.

A better approach (albeit beyond idealised in Clinton country) would have been for Hillary to collaborate with someone providing sufficient distance - yet without lacking sympathy, for a more rounded whilst still flagrantly partisan take.

For example a partnership with an experienced observer-insider such as Donna Brazile, or a battle-hardened yet war weary 2016 Clinton road-warrior like Jennifer Palmieri - could have provided a more balanced account.

Rather than a collaborative effort, it could have been structured like a Hillary q answered by a sympathetic-yet-realistic a. Or simply Hillary's perspective, countered with copious contrary footnotes (in the style of a two-handed Stewart Lee's "How I Escaped My Certain Fate).

The perfect counterweight to Hillary's take comes via Amie Parnes and Jon Allen's second Clinton book (after their dispassionate collaboration on the the excellent 2014 "HRC" biography) - "Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign" - which combines firsthand gumshoe reporting, plus comprehensive, properly sourced and corroborated off-the-record briefings.

The latter book is an excellent, rigorous and thoroughly insightful account of Hillary's campaign. The overtly blunt title does not do it justice. However in context they were forced to decide on "Shattered", before the actual election results came in.

Unlike all the faux-glass ceiling staging in the Javits Center on 8th December, Parnes and Allen had prepared something workable for either outcome...

For those unfamiliar with the authors - Amie Parnes is a respected and seasoned senior reporter for The Hill, as well as a CNN Political Analyst. Jon Allen is currently an NBC News Political Reporter, previously Washington bureau chief for Bloomberg and White House bureau chief for Politico, in addition to reporting respectably for other publications such as Vox and The Hill.

Their combined reporting provides an unvarnished insider's look at the progress, pitfalls and pratfalls of Hillary Clinton's fatally flawed 2016 Presidential campaign.

Hillary by contrast, continues to re-litigate her failed presidential bid. Every time she opens her mouth, reporting is picked up and picked apart by Fox - to satiate their bigoted, aging viewers, who salivate at each and every Clinton mistake .

Hillary could still contribute mightily to the 2020 Democratic campaign. That would involve saying absolutely nothing, whilst raising a much-needed fuckton of money for whichever candidate emerges as party nominee immediately after the convention. That's exactly when the prospective Democratic candidate will need funding the most, as they'll have likely blown most of their money in a hard-fought primary win!

Dannyhood91

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Re: Books you want to/have 'hate read'.
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2019, 10:02:53 AM »
I’ve just remembered reading Outsider by Colin Wilson last year. It’s meant to be amazing but I found it pompous and long winded. I watched an interview with him from when he’s fairly old and he seemed like a pretentious tool.