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Who win wold power (verry acrate pole)  

Trump (R)
11 (14.7%)
Sandford (R)
0 (0%)
Walsh (R)
0 (0%)
Weld (R)
0 (0%)
Bennet (D)
0 (0%)
Biden (D)
2 (2.7%)
Booker (D)
0 (0%)
Bullock (D)
0 (0%)
Buttigieg (D)
0 (0%)
Castro (D)
0 (0%)
Delaney (D)
1 (1.3%)
Gabbard (D)
1 (1.3%)
Klobuchar (D)
0 (0%)
Messam (D)
0 (0%)
O'Rourke (D)
0 (0%)
Ryan (D)
0 (0%)
Sanders (D)
15 (20%)
Sestak (D)
0 (0%)
Steyer (D)
0 (0%)
Warren (D)
3 (4%)
Williamson (D)
0 (0%)
Yang (D)
0 (0%)
A Libertarian
0 (0%)
A Green
1 (1.3%)
One of the other ones
0 (0%)
Moat (R)
11 (14.7%)
Who fucking cares I dunno some cunt
11 (14.7%)
Guntrip
0 (0%)
Les Dennis
7 (9.3%)
Eddie Large
4 (5.3%)
Ralf Little
3 (4%)
A musician or actor who think they can make a difference and will ultimately fail
1 (1.3%)
Bensip Hammons
2 (2.7%)
Castro
2 (2.7%)
Gulf Holdall
0 (0%)

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Re: US Elections 2020 thread
« Reply #1800 on: November 23, 2019, 12:59:40 PM »
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1198028454123515904

Someone from an immigrant rights group criticised Joe Biden over Obama-era deportations, and Biden petulantly responded with "You should vote for Trump", which makes no sense at all. Why would someone opposed to deportations vote for Trump, of all people?
Because you've got no other option and if you're against Biden that might as well vote for Trump- Biden wants everybody to think he's already the nominee. But the advocacy group looks irrational, most candidates (and most voters) would deport an immigrant that committed a felony. Sanders, Castro etc would probably deport an immigrant convicted with a violent felony.

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« Reply #1801 on: November 23, 2019, 04:44:19 PM »
it is incredibly easy to be convicted of a felony in the USA, and even easier to be charged with one. i think the point that groups like the one above are making is that felony charges are frequently trumped up and used as an easy excuse to deport harmless people.

there isn't really any way Biden comes out of that not looking like a complete cunt though. just petulant shit from an entitled alzheimers cunt. Hillary-esque.

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« Reply #1802 on: November 26, 2019, 11:41:08 PM »
That's probably right practically and ethically but not politically. Immigration is what Trump probably will use to win 2020 much like 'moral values' was used in 2004 election by Bush.

Also Obama seems like another middle manager uses policy speak and 'strategic thinking' to hide his own issues about his ego and  legacy https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/11/26/barack-obama-2020-democrats-candidates-biden-073025

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« Reply #1803 on: December 01, 2019, 01:27:01 AM »

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« Reply #1804 on: December 01, 2019, 05:52:27 AM »
Obama should just spend the rest of the nomination telling Joe not to fuck it up.

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« Reply #1805 on: December 03, 2019, 06:33:13 PM »
The news that Kamala Harris is dropping out of the race has just been un-embargoed.

No surprise really, her campaign had been on the bones of it's proverbial arse for a while - plus leaks from dissatisfied staffers indicated this was going to happen.

Personally I've been surprised how bad her campaign's fundraising has been. There's no shortage of rich Californians. Combine that with her traction in respect of national profile, plus her inherent "electability" qualifications - it puts money raising abilities front and centre.

If we remove the various nebulous polling numbers from the equation, this is not good news for other underperforming contenders. With Bloomberg inelegently crashing the moderate lane in this overpopulated primary - Biden looks much less secure, unless he capitulates to superPAC money.

Without the latter, Biden's fragile campaign can't be sustained on the fresh air of high polling, predicated on name ID and broad yet shallow support from the primary electorate.

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« Reply #1806 on: December 03, 2019, 07:22:39 PM »
People thought Harris was another Obama but she really was another Clinton. I gather a lot of her support went to Mayo Pete because he ticks a lot more boxes and is somewhat charismatic.
Okay Gabbard helped do this please get rid of Pete next.

I think the conspiracy that Bloomberg is positioning himself for a third party run looks right. I gather the test want cabinet positions or positioning for future runs.
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« Reply #1807 on: December 03, 2019, 07:57:07 PM »
Harris was meant to have hired huge chunks of Clinton's team and it really showed. Her campaign was just utterly impossible to be enthusiastic about. Don't get why Buttigieg is polling so well, I'd expect him to be found out in the primaries but I heard an actual human speak positively about him a few days ago so I must be missing something.

Bloomberg is just doing a power play, if Sanders gets the nod he'll run third party to fuck him (and I think he's hugely underestimating how much swing vote states will fucking loathe him in this case), if Warren gets the nod he'll threaten to run third party to choose a vice president for her.


I wonder if that "people are telling me to run" stuff from Hillary a while back was Bloomberg trying to find a sock puppet.

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« Reply #1808 on: December 03, 2019, 08:59:38 PM »
People thought Harris was another Obama but she really was another Clinton. I gather a lot of her support went to Mayo Pete because he ticks a lot more boxes and is somewhat charismatic.
Okay Gabbard helped do this please get rid of Pete next.

I think the conspiracy that Bloomberg is positioning himself for a third party run looks right. I gather the test want cabinet positions or positioning for future runs.

Harris tried to economise too late, in focusing her flailing campaign on an Iowa strategy gamble.

Sadly the successful Obama 2008 coalition method is now badly outdated, plus she never put in the solid Iowa ground game that Obama started early with Tommy Vietor et al in January 2007.

Mayor Pete hasn't yet ticked all the necessary boxes, but his strongest card so far is the solid ongoing fundraising he's achieving that can keep his campaign going longer than would normally be expected from such a candidate. He's only polling well in pointless national polls, plus the embarrassingly white early caucus and primary states.

Unless he can increase his support amongst key democratic primary-voting minorities - no amount of money will get him further than a slim chance, should the democrats end up suffering a brokered convention in 2020.

Bloomberg is making himself an irritating fly in primary ointment, but there's nothing to indicate he'll renege on his original pledge to only run as a democrat.

Third party runs of that type are more like a GOP talking point fantasy - it leaves so much more room for another narrow Trump win via the electoral college, were it to happen. If nothing else, Bloomberg is far too invested in his personal political legacy, to end up remembered as an unwitting Jill Stein-like Trump enabler.

Right now, Bloomberg's dumb and controversial reporting policy for his media channel might seem like beltway insider intrigue. Should he gain any actual traction, it'll become a much bigger story. Unnecessarily so to boot, if he'd just thought it all through!

Unlike Bloomberg, Rudy Giuliani was leading the polls in the 2008 republican primary at this point in the cycle. His embarrassing lack of delegates at the subsequent convention is solid evidence of the folly of that kind of media-driven, early state-avoiding Super Tuesday strategy.

Obviously the motivations of many long odds candidates can be attributed to cabinet level aspirations. Red state democrats like Steve Bullock are refusing opportunities to run for the Senate, citing the likely ongoing legislative gridlock under Moscow Mitch, plus the personal logistical implications.

To continue pursuing an inevitably unsuccessful presidential campaign, only to then accept a cabinet level appointment would be the height of insincerity. On the other hand, such situations have rarely previously stopped politicians of any and all political stripes from looking hypocritical!

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Re: US Elections 2020 thread
« Reply #1809 on: December 03, 2019, 09:04:06 PM »
Are you Deep Throat?

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Re: US Elections 2020 thread
« Reply #1810 on: December 03, 2019, 09:07:09 PM »
Biden's gonna win the nomination then lose the election isn't he

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Re: US Elections 2020 thread
« Reply #1811 on: December 03, 2019, 09:08:13 PM »
Biden's gonna win the nomination then lose the election isn't he

Yeah, but we can follow the horse race until then.

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« Reply #1812 on: December 03, 2019, 09:08:28 PM »
Are you Deep Throat?

Yes...

My lucrative and successful career in pornography funds my nascent attempts at political reportage!

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« Reply #1813 on: December 03, 2019, 09:26:31 PM »
At this stage ticks a lot of boxes means socially progressive, economically conservative and 'smart'. Warren really needs Harris voters and skim off Mayor Pete. I wonder what Harris was promised so she withdrew.

Biden has locked the older vote down, probably a lot of the black vote.

Yang is a real threat. I think much like Sanders he will create a new wing of the Democratic party.

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« Reply #1814 on: December 03, 2019, 09:27:03 PM »
Are you Deep Throat?

More like Shallow Grave.

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« Reply #1815 on: December 03, 2019, 09:38:49 PM »
if Bernie wins/performs well in the first few states, then takes California by storm (which he almost definitely will), it sets him up very very strongly. Biden is only going to continue to lose votes, and Mayor Pete has probably peaked, given he’s never going to get any POC support or any deserters from Bernie. Warren seems to be dying slowly, equivocating on Medicare For All has absolutely fucked her.

there’s some light at the end of the tunnel. though that might be the light on the front of a DNC shaped train.

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« Reply #1816 on: December 03, 2019, 09:54:34 PM »
I don't think Warren is fucked yet but in the next debate she needs to step up so she's fucked in the near future.

Also all the people lamenting Harris exit do realise she could've still stayed in the race but on a budget like Castro etc. Her ego just wouldn't allow it as a 'top tier candidate'.

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Re: US Elections 2020 thread
« Reply #1817 on: December 03, 2019, 10:00:37 PM »
I wonder what Harris was promised so she withdrew.
Promised? Told "you're not going to win, stop embarrassing yourself" more like.

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« Reply #1818 on: December 03, 2019, 10:09:21 PM »
i think Warren could absolutely turn it around but i don't think she's a good enough politician. definitely more of a wonk than a campaigner.

the comparisons of Harris to Clinton are very apt. delusional career driven charisma vacuums who believe in nothing except taking delight in the misery of those less fortunate. also advised by the same group of incompetent political dunces.

Pete Bootcut's entire life seems like one long grift to become president. it's fucking creepy.

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« Reply #1819 on: December 03, 2019, 10:17:41 PM »
Promised? Told "you're not going to win, stop embarrassing yourself" more like.
Maybe not a promise as such but Harris has pride- she won't be like Beto and fall off the map there must be some plan for future glory.

I feel Buttigieg is being positioned to be this generation's JFK.

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« Reply #1820 on: December 03, 2019, 10:19:39 PM »
I feel Buttigieg is being positioned to be this generation's JFK.

hopefully near a grassy knoll

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« Reply #1821 on: December 04, 2019, 12:03:01 AM »

I feel Buttigieg is being positioned to be this generation's JFK.

Bad Back Jack was at the very least hugely charismatic, and black folks liked him (even though he stiffed them in the end). Mayor Pete has the charisma of an IT teambuilding excercise. Who the fuck was running against him in South Bend that allowed him to become mayor?! Tom Metzger?

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« Reply #1822 on: December 04, 2019, 01:38:59 AM »
In fairness, Butigieg always seems very charismatic whenever I’ve heard him talk or be interviewed or whatever. If only we could say the same for Metzger.

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« Reply #1823 on: December 04, 2019, 02:33:38 AM »
I agree with that. He shows a level of sincerity, charm and clarity when he's prepared for speeches, interviews, debates etc. It's when he interacts with people who have open hostility i.e. protesters, Gabbard that he gulps, he shrinks and looks a bit lost. Which is fine if you aren't a person with a public office.

Whoever is backing him is just hoping that the black and latino vote will lock behind him after more people drop out.

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« Reply #1824 on: December 04, 2019, 04:10:07 AM »
In fairness, Butigieg always seems very charismatic whenever I’ve heard him talk or be interviewed or whatever. If only we could say the same for Metzger.

Really? We must be operating on very different frequencies then, because he reminds me of a ultra-low-grade Tony Blair half the time (which, admittedly, was appealing to a significant section of the population in the UK in the late 90s, so I suppose it's not-surprising that he would appeal to their US equivalents in 2019, but I'm as convinced by Mayor Pete now as I was by Blair back then), but - as Urinal Cake - points out, when he has to interact with actual, normal humans, his centristbot diodes start overloading.

Metzger, at the very least, had the backing of the quasi-fascist industrial music voting bloc, as spearheaded by Boyd Rice. Discount them at your peril (or leisure …  either way is fine).

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« Reply #1825 on: December 04, 2019, 12:26:29 PM »
Joe “bye then” Biden

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« Reply #1826 on: December 04, 2019, 12:30:52 PM »
Hello please as somebody only dipping in and out of this “United States” lark, what are the chances of Sanders getting the Democrat nomination?

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« Reply #1827 on: December 04, 2019, 12:36:21 PM »
Pretty unlikely but within the realm of possibility. Biden still clear frontrunner

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Re: US Elections 2020 thread
« Reply #1828 on: December 04, 2019, 12:37:53 PM »
Can't wait to see a debate between Biden and Trump. It'll be like Waiting for Godot played by to senile old disasters.

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« Reply #1829 on: December 04, 2019, 01:02:26 PM »
Hello please as somebody only dipping in and out of this “United States” lark, what are the chances of Sanders getting the Democrat nomination?

a lot depends on how Bernie does early gates. strong showings/wins put him in a commanding position going into Super Tuesday, and if he’s top dog after that it’ll be very hard to stop him. short of ratfucking at the convention or breaking out the heart attack gun the DNC won’t be able to do much.

Biden is still the front runner but his lead shrinks every time he feasts on his wife’s flesh.