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US Elections 2020 thread

Started by Twed, January 26, 2019, 08:52:03 PM

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Dewt

If Buttigieg keeps this up pretty soon he'll have his first black vote!

mojo filters

Steyer is a stubborn tartan fucker.

To paraphrase Arthur Conan Doyle - a small amount of a large fortune is a dangerous thing.

He could have dedicated his efforts to helping dems attempt to win back the Senate, rather than perpetrating his personal campaign to give death stares to debate cameras and scare innocent viewers.

Quote from: mojo filters on February 12, 2020, 01:48:17 AM
Unless the final tallies more evenly split the sub-Sanders vote, and thus split pledged delegates - the relative poor performance (so far) of Bernie's nearest rivals, indicates a disproportionate delegate advantage for Buttigieg.

However Klobuchar may surprise as more results come in...

The pledged delegates out of a small state like New Hampshire are essentially irrelevant.

The only significance of this primary is who wins it, though of course the media is frantically moving the goalposts given that Sanders is likely to win. Two for two.

mojo filters

Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on February 12, 2020, 02:43:56 AM
The pledged delegates out of a small state like New Hampshire are essentially irrelevant.

Indeed, but at this stage it's all about momentum that can drive fundraising.

In respect of the latter, Buttigieg has a significant advantage over Klobuchar moving forwards. There's potential for the centre-left to now coalesce around their last viable (non-Bloomberg) candidate.

Actual delegate math doesn't really matter until Super Tuesday, obviously.

Quote from: mojo filters on February 12, 2020, 02:50:21 AM
it's all about momentum that can drive fundraising.

Unless of course that momentum and fundraising involves Bernie Sanders, in which case it is a disappointing underperformance.

Urinal Cake

Obama must be getting a lot of calls especially since it looks like Biden will be out before ST. How much do you think Bloomberg will have to pay Obama for an endorsement?

Sanders won but <5% not great.


Urinal Cake

It's not great especially with Warren's collapse. If Warren was doing well you could say atleast the progressive vote was split.

Dewt

Quote from: mojo filters on February 12, 2020, 02:50:21 AMIn respect of the latter, Buttigieg has a significant advantage over Klobuchar moving forwards. There's potential for the centre-left to now coalesce around their last viable (non-Bloomberg) candidate.
Do you realise how white the first two states are and how little non-whites like those two candidates?

biniput

How does Pete have more delegates that Sanders after sanders wins (or looks to win) the first 2 states?

Quote from: biniput on February 12, 2020, 03:22:42 AM
How does Pete have more delegates that Sanders after sanders wins (or looks to win) the first 2 states?

Despite objective documentary evidence that Sanders won Iowa, the Democratic Party simply declared that Buttigieg won and are refusing to change that result, and nobody really seems to care about it or think it's newsworthy.

(If that sounds crazy, it's entirely true.)

Quote from: Urinal Cake on February 12, 2020, 03:07:50 AM
It's not great especially with Warren's collapse. If Warren was doing well you could say atleast the progressive vote was split.

The "Sanders candidates" vs "Non-Sanders candidates" schism only exists in the minds of political pundits. In reality voters are strange creatures and as many Joe Biden voters will likely end up supporting Sanders as switched to Klobuchar tonight.

Also being underreported is the fact that New Hampshire deliberately disenfranchised college-aged voters since the last primary. The exit poll that I saw earlier showed a 7% decrease in college-aged voters as a total percentage of the electorate. Given how extraordinarily unlikely it is that this is due to diminished youth enthusiasm for Sanders (just look around) and given his universal support in that demographic, you could argue that he "should" have gotten an additional 5% or so of what his end-of-the-night numbers are going to be.

This narrative is such bullshit in general, because it is acting as though Sanders has been the runaway frontrunner for the last calendar year and was expected to blow out Iowa and New Hampshire, making his victories "disappointments." The pundits were proclaiming that Biden would sweep all of these early states as recently as one week ago!

biniput

Checked wiki and it seems to be this SDE bullshit.

Mobius


Urinal Cake

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Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on February 12, 2020, 03:29:05 AM
The "Sanders candidates" vs "Non-Sanders candidates" schism only exists in the minds of political pundits. In reality voters are strange creatures and as many Joe Biden voters will likely end up supporting Sanders as switched to Klobuchar tonight.
It's not in the minds of political pundits. Polls show that more Warren supporters would switch to Sanders compared to Biden etc. From NH both Biden and Warren 'fair weather supporters' had the opportunity to choose Sanders as their second choice. They chose Buttigieg and Klobuchar instead. That switch in support to Sanders could come too late.

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Also being underreported is the fact that New Hampshire deliberately disenfranchised college-aged voters since the last primary. The exit poll that I saw earlier showed a 7% decrease in college-aged voters as a total percentage of the electorate. Given how extraordinarily unlikely it is that this is due to diminished youth enthusiasm for Sanders (just look around) and given his universal support in that demographic, you could argue that he "should" have gotten an additional 5% or so of what his end-of-the-night numbers are going to be.
But this isn't a surprise. The campaign should've tried to counteract this in some way.

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This narrative is such bullshit in general, because it is acting as though Sanders has been the runaway frontrunner for the last calendar year and was expected to blow out Iowa and New Hampshire, making his victories "disappointments." The pundits were proclaiming that Biden would sweep all of these early states as recently as one week ago!
Again it's polling more than punditry. Or rather shit pundits (which I am) using shit polls. But when you're given the results the pundits are pretty clear Biden is failing in Iowa and NH. Warren met expectations in Iowa but has severely underperformed in NH.
Also if we're including shit pundits we have to include the Chapo guys because the new/underrepresented voter surge vastly outperforming the polls thing is not happening. I think in states with more poc, youth etc the strategy might work. But so far nup.

It's great that Sanders won. But the polls are rough. Canvassing seems to have worked- the turnout is around 2008 levels or better but again it's keeping Sanders ahead rather than stomping everybody else into submission.






Cuellar

Jeez, going through their tweets to find one that actually mentions Sanders. There are two that describe his victory as 'narrow', Klobuchar and Buttigieg also get two each, with the key adjectives in those tweets being 'strong':

QuoteButtigieg urges 'unification' after strong New Hampshire showing.

Quote'We have beaten the odds' - Klobuchar hails strong New Hampshire finish

QuoteBernie Sanders, a progressive senator from neighboring Vermont, fended off attacks from rivals who warned his far-left views would lead the party to defeat in the Nov. 3 election against President Trump

QuoteBernie Sanders thanks supporters after narrowly winning the New Hampshire's Democratic presidential primary


EOLAN

So in all his years of running for president, will Biden hold on until South Carolina and maybe finally finish in the top three in a State primary/caucus for the first time?

EOLAN

Quote from: Cuellar on February 12, 2020, 09:50:10 AM
Jeez, going through their tweets to find one that actually mentions Sanders. There are two that describe his victory as 'narrow', Klobuchar and Buttigieg also get two each, with the key adjectives in those tweets being 'strong':
And of course Sanders was from the neighboring state so as they are trying to imply should have done a lot better don't you know and was a shoe-in to win as a result anyway. Of course Warren smashed it also being from neighboring Massachussetts.
Also; was plenty reporting of Iowa about how Klobacher underperformed even more significantly coming from the neighboring state of Minnesota.

BlodwynPig

Scrap all this stuff - talk about uniting the country when the party is so divisive. Nah, fuck it.

kngen

Warren blaming Bernie for ... making her listen to her shitty advisers and thus destroy her campaign by trashing Bernie via CNN? Or do snake emojis and low-level campaigners chanting 'Fuck Warren' have some sort of never-before-seen massive political heft that can end presidential campaigns in the blink of an eye?

https://twitter.com/ChickHearnBern/status/1227414455421530113?s=20

You're the architect of your own demise, Liz. You rolled the dice. You lost. Dry your eyes.

Mister Six

Quote from: jobotic on February 12, 2020, 09:37:02 AM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1227457215545651201

I just went back through the timeline and this was not how they reported Sanders winning. This is a follow-up story, and the pics were likely chosen because there had been a glut of Sanders images in the previous ones concerning his win.

Famous Mortimer

Quote from: Urinal Cake on February 12, 2020, 02:57:39 AM
Obama must be getting a lot of calls especially since it looks like Biden will be out before ST. How much do you think Bloomberg will have to pay Obama for an endorsement?

Sanders won but <5% not great.
You're really desperate to hammer this point home. Why? He was running against one other person last time and there are like ten others this time. Did you seriously expect him to get the same number of votes? Perhaps the "narrative" that he keeps winning despite the mainstream media ignoring him, lying about him at every opportunity, ought to be the one you're more interested in. No matter how big his margin of victory, the MSM will not care. Read the tweet that C_Larence posted a few pages ago. That sort of garbage isn't going to be stopped by Bernie winning.

kngen

Quote from: Famous Mortimer on February 12, 2020, 03:09:21 PM
You're really desperate to hammer this point home. Why? He was running against one other person last time and there are like ten others this time. Did you seriously expect him to get the same number of votes? Perhaps the "narrative" that he keeps winning despite the mainstream media ignoring him, lying about him at every opportunity, ought to be the one you're more interested in. No matter how big his margin of victory, the MSM will not care. Read the tweet that C_Larence posted a few pages ago. That sort of garbage isn't going to be stopped by Bernie winning.

Yep, if Bernie had won by the margin he did last time, they already had their 'NH doesn't really mean anything anyway' narratives ready to go.