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Fun Liam Neeson Anecdote [split topic] [merged]

Started by Cuellar, February 04, 2019, 02:31:02 PM

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Quote from: Cloud on February 05, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
Haha predictable response
Yeah I know, he's not "so far left he makes Stalin look right wing" and is therefore just another Nazi

he's not a Nazi (jesus christ Cloud, grow up) but he is a concern trolling 'both sides' melt who fetishises 'debate' which mainly seems to involve whining about the 'left' being too 'politically correct'. he's so obsessed with aesthetics of discourse that he rarely actually says anything insightful about structural issues (or anything at all about them for that matter). it's just tedious discourse policing for people who don't really understand politics. it's all 'kids on college campuses' blah blah mixed in with the usual low hanging fruit critiques of the tories. it's chum for culture war rubes, so I'm not surprised that he's riding this one. I just hope those sp!ked magazine cheques eventually lead to him buying a better microphone

it's shit for aggrieved cunts

BritishHobo

It's always the smarmy ranters who fancy themselves a Malcolm Tucker or a Charlie Brooker, isn't it? They've got no range or imagination beyond 'snark' and calling people wankgibbons, they've nothing positive or constructive to contribute, but they're the first to fingerwag about not debating right.

(Forum User Unknowingly Describes Self, 2019)

Cloud

Quote from: Harley_Quim on February 05, 2019, 09:40:44 PM
Didn't know he was using it to promote a film.

Meh.. according to cynics determined to see the worst motives in people.  Or, maybe he brought it up because he was talking about the film and the subject was relevant in conversation, or maybe he didn't think about it that way because he's a flawed human being like many, or maybe he even sees the film as a good catalyst for talking about important issues like acknowledging and addressing racism when you identify it within yourself (which might have worked, if the SJW crowd hadn't seen it as a ripe opportunity to dunk another witch instead of realising he's on their side)

Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on February 05, 2019, 09:47:19 PM
'both sides'

Which is your issue, and the issue of most online politics these days.  He's not 100% on 'your side', therefore he's a cunt.  Heaven forbid anyone thinks that "both sides" have problems and that SJWs are not all perfect angels who have everything right, or that people should actually talk things through instead of dismissing everyone they disagree with as cunts / racists / commies / sexists / centrists (apparently an insult now) / insert pejorative here.  Nope, you either fall in line and only ever criticise the right, or you're a cunt.  Nice.

Crabwalk


Cloud

Well, being a cunt is part of the character's schtick

Hey I don't like extremely online 'SJWs' either, but they aren't 'the left' (they're usually libs) and I don't overrate their importance in the political sphere to monetise the rancour of morons

(whisper it, but despite what Jonathan Pie tells you, the world isn't solely divided between tories and SJWs. there are *gasp* more than two sides. you can criticise the more reactionary tendencies of SJWs from a materialist left perspective! who'd have thought it?)

rue the polywhirl

Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on February 05, 2019, 09:34:10 PM
worst sentence ever written on this forum

He has essentially nailed it, which makes all other factors regarding the quality and motive of his work completely irrelevant because on this issue nailed on the head he has. And I thought his American Pie show was the most bungled, streaky-thin, average and inane attempt at comedy I've ever seen.


Cloud

Glad you see it that way, I don't think he only sees two sides either, those are just common targets of his because  they're very frequently the ones being twats in some way

Cloud


but the impact of 'SJWism' is extremely thin compared to the people who are actually in power, especially in terms of actual political policy, so Pie's critiques are just limp culture war posturing. shoot for the top, not the lower rungs

Shoulders?-Stomach!

I thought the more obvious critique of Pie was that his act is so monotone and lacks wit, and so doesn't sustain itself beyond maybe very infrequent viewings, otherwise becoming just dreary shouting.

You start off expecting truth bombs or whatever, but they never arrive, beyond the preaching to the choir content you can nod your head to.

It is one of the least successful 'blowhard' schtick acts I've seen. I'm surprised he himself doesn't get bored shitless by doing it.



Cloud

Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on February 05, 2019, 10:22:23 PM
but the impact of 'SJWism' is extremely thin compared to the people who are actually in power, especially in terms of actual political policy, so Pie's critiques are just limp culture war posturing. shoot for the top, not the lower rungs

I don't know though, as populism is getting very powerful now.  It's working pretty well for the right - thanks youtube! (some might argue, in reaction to extremes of the left - thanks twitter/tumblr!).  Brexit, Trump, etc... as JP frequently brings up (hmm, another JP)

biggytitbo

Remember also during the promotion of Schinders list Liam admitted to burning down a synagogue when he was 17, so he's got form with these sensationalised attempts to garner publicity for his films.

Quote from: Cloud on February 05, 2019, 10:40:08 PM
I don't know though, as populism is getting very powerful now.  It's working pretty well for the right - thanks youtube! (some might argue, in reaction to extremes of the left - thanks twitter/tumblr!).  Brexit, Trump, etc... as JP frequently brings up (hmm, another JP)

that's more a reaction to living under the hollowed out, gutted reality of neoliberal capitalism than it is because of 'SJWs' Hillary Clinton didn't lose because of 'identity politics' or whatever lazy culture war bullshit the commentariat lazily vomits out. she lost because she promised more of the same precarity and instability in the life of the average person, whereas Trump promised an alternative. it's not difficult to work out, but everybody seems to want to impose their pet cultural grievance onto it

the impact of cultural shit is extremely overrated. only columnists, YouTubers and social media dimwits give a shit about any of that. most ordinary people could not give a fuck

chveik

Quote from: Cloud on February 05, 2019, 10:40:08 PM
I don't know though, as populism is getting very powerful now.  It's working pretty well for the right - thanks youtube! (some might argue, in reaction to extremes of the left - thanks twitter/tumblr!).  Brexit, Trump, etc... as JP frequently brings up (hmm, another JP)

"populism" is a vague political concept though, it's used to describe all sorts of movements.

yeah I've heard Corbyn, Bolsanaro, Trump and Sanders all described as 'populist' by the press. it essentially means very little nowadays

biggytitbo


Quote from: chveik on February 05, 2019, 10:50:33 PM
"populism" is a vague political concept though, it's used to describe all sorts of movements.
Mainly anything our managerial political classes don't like and can't control or co-opt.

Head Gardener

at the beginning of the trailer of his new film he thanks everyone for voting him Citizen of The Year so I'm confused


biggytitbo

Netflix now pulling their forthcoming black lives matters documentary narrated by Neeson.

Noonling

Quote from: Cloud on February 05, 2019, 09:26:55 PM
This.  With of course all the usual suspects on here jumping on the bandwagon or saying he's a cunt anyway (because they basically think everyone on the planet except them is a cunt)

As always Jonathan Pie nailed it (yeah I know, "Jonathan Pie is a cunt as well")

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Liam Neeson in a heartfelt interview stated that an emotional trauma made him feel unjustly prejudiced against black people, but he came to his senses, realised his gross error of judgement, and learned from it.

Social Media: Get the pitchforks, guys! Liam Neeson is a racist!

It would be fine if he had said he felt unjustly prejudiced against black people due to emotional trauma. That would be a kinda positive thing, admitting that many people have in-the-moment racist thoughts and that he's grown etc etc.

But what he actually said was that four or five times he left the house with a cosh hoping to get into an argument with a black man so he could murder him. That's a bit more than average racist thoughts.

Cloud

I use populism in the sense of the power of individuals to turn stuff around when they're a big enough and angry enough mob...

TBH I think despite the problems and inequalities, the status quo was about as good as we're likely to get.  Communism has been tried plenty of times and fails spectacularly for reasons that boil down to human nature.  There was room for plenty more socialism, taxing the fuck out of the billionaires etc and I think if eased that way gently (like how we've made slow but steady progress with many things over the past handful of decades) it'd work well.  But people itch for a big revolution.  And now sadly we have one, in the wrong direction, as we attack neoliberal economics with encroaching neo-Nazism.

But this is drifting offtopic a tad...

Cloud

Quote from: Noonling on February 05, 2019, 11:02:15 PM


It would be fine if he had said he felt unjustly prejudiced against black people due to emotional trauma. That would be a kinda positive thing, admitting that many people have in-the-moment racist thoughts and that he's grown etc etc.

But what he actually said was that four or five times he left the house with a cosh hoping to get into an argument with a black man so he could murder him. That's a bit more than average racist thoughts.

He didn't do it though in the end... who knows if the opportunity would've arisen what he would've done, but it didn't, so this is just really thought policing.  Maybe it made him feel big to pretend he would, but still put it away when it came to it

Can't say for sure either way, so I wouldn't condemn him to the assumption he'd be guilty of the action

Quote from: Cloud on February 05, 2019, 11:03:04 PM
There was room for plenty more socialism, taxing the fuck out of the billionaires etc and I think if eased that way gently (like how we've made slow but steady progress with many things over the past handful of decades)

what actual progress in a socialist direction? economically it's just been one long slow drift further right over the last 40 years

the culture is more liberal, but what the fuck does that actually add up to? not a lot, if one glances out the window. didn't prevent all this shit from happening

anyone who gives a shit about Liam Neeson's mad thoughts or kids on college campuses in the current climate is either insane, grossly negligent or a culture war grifter

Noonling

Quote from: Cloud on February 05, 2019, 11:06:53 PM
He didn't do it though in the end... who knows if the opportunity would've arisen what he would've done, but it didn't, so this is just really thought policing.  Maybe it made him feel big to pretend he would, but still put it away when it came to it

Can't say for sure either way, so I wouldn't condemn him to the assumption he'd be guilty of the action

He may not have actually done it, but leaving the house with a cosh is more than a thought. It's really not thought policing to condemn him for that - people get convicted for planning murder/terrorism etc, even though they may not necessarily carry it out.

Urinal Cake

This isn't about SJWs it's about black people and black men in particular. Maybe SJWs have become overzealous in their attack. But telling everyone including black men (who are still victims of vigilante and policing actions) that this isn't a big deal is a bit fucking patronising.

It's not even about black people, it's about Liam fucking Neeson and our continuing fascination with celebrities who say objectionable things. The opinions of Liam Neeson have zero measurable impact on anything

Enzo