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Should Real Deaths be on Youtube?

Started by Satchmo Distel, February 21, 2019, 04:32:19 PM

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touchingcloth

I'm not a fan of the death videos at all. My cuntier old friends keep sending all manner of tedious guff on What's Application, usually of the same black man with a large floppy cock (I don't know where they find the meme pics and videos from, but they have fucking loads of them and I've never seen them anywhere else. Football lads groups on Facebook? Probably.), but one time it was a video filmed by the driver of a car of their passenger sitting on the frame of the open window, legs inside the car and naked torso (wayy, lads, breasts, wayyyy) which ended at 70 miles per hour with a lamppost slamming into her head. Well, it ended after a slomo replay of that. No ta.

I do however have a grim fascination (discussed in one of Sheepy's PPrune threads, I think) with black box recordings of fatal flights, mainly because of the astonishingly matter of fact way pilots who must know they're absolutely fucked attempt to bring their planes down with a semblance of control. I can't comprehend the ability of one pilot calmly relaying details of altitude, heading and airspeed in the full knowledge that the wings are off and they're pointed at the ground. One thing that's always stuck with me is a friend of Dick Scobee who believed he was conscious all the way until Challenger's impact with the ground and that "he flew that ship without wings all the way down". I mean, fuck.

Dex Sawash

I like the dashcam video of the truckload of cows that overturns and instead of carnage the cows seem to just dust themselves off and resume being cows.

thraxx

Quote from: touchingcloth on February 21, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
I'm not a fan of the death videos at all. My cuntier old friends keep sending all manner of tedious guff on What's Application, usually of the same black man with a large floppy cock (I don't know where they find the meme pics and videos from, but they have fucking loads of them and I've never seen them anywhere else. Football lads groups on Facebook? Probably.), but one time it was a video filmed by the driver of a car of their passenger sitting on the frame of the open window, legs inside the car and naked torso (wayy, lads, breasts, wayyyy) which ended at 70 miles per hour with a lamppost slamming into her head. Well, it ended after a slomo replay of that. No ta.

I do however have a grim fascination (discussed in one of Sheepy's PPrune threads, I think) with black box recordings of fatal flights, mainly because of the astonishingly matter of fact way pilots who must know they're absolutely fucked attempt to bring their planes down with a semblance of control. I can't comprehend the ability of one pilot calmly relaying details of altitude, heading and airspeed in the full knowledge that the wings are off and they're pointed at the ground. One thing that's always stuck with me is a friend of Dick Scobee who believed he was conscious all the way until Challenger's impact with the ground and that "he flew that ship without wings all the way down". I mean, fuck.

Yeah, one of the best things I learned to do last year was turn off the automatic download on Whatsapp.  It means I can avoid the gross out fest that everyone seems to be into on that thing.  Today one of my mates, with glee, asked me if I'd seen the photo he'd Whatsapped everyone of Emilano Sala on the mortuary slab; I mean I just don't want to see that shit.

On the other hand, yes, as someone who is interested in aviation, those black box recorders are astonishing documents. There's one in particular of a japanese jumbo I think that lost it's tail after a tail strike on a previous flight that beggars belief, the professionalism of the captain as he tries every trick to land the aircraft while his crew are losing it around him.  I think it's that one, they tried to replicate the situation in a simulator and they couldn't keep the aircraft in the air for more than a few minutes.  He kept it airborne for nearly an hour until he couldn't get the altitude to clear a mountain.

touchingcloth

Quote from: thraxx on February 21, 2019, 10:03:13 PM
Yeah, one of the best things I learned to do last year was turn off the automatic download on Whatsapp.  It means I can avoid the gross out fest that everyone seems to be into on that thing.  Today one of my mates, with glee, asked me if I'd seen the photo he'd Whatsapped everyone of Emilano Sala on the mortuary slab; I mean I just don't want to see that shit.

On the other hand, yes, as someone who is interested in aviation, those black box recorders are astonishing documents. There's one in particular of a japanese jumbo I think that lost it's tail after a tail strike on a previous flight that beggars belief, the professionalism of the captain as he tries every trick to land the aircraft while his crew are losing it around him.  I think it's that one, they tried to replicate the situation in a simulator and they couldn't keep the aircraft in the air for more than a few minutes.  He kept it airborne for nearly an hour until he couldn't get the altitude to clear a mountain.

I know the story of that Japanese flight, but not sure I've ever heard the audio. I wonder if having something which feels practical to focus on even if it's completely futile is calming. I don't imagine the crew locked out of the flight deck by Lubitz were anything like as calm as they tried to batter the door down. Yeesh.

I have automatic downloads turned off (why the fuck is that the default?) but I still end up watching them all in the hope that it'll give me the impetus to slough off the shower of pricks for good some day. I think the thing that bothers me most isn't the content, just the way it's presented. It's never "woah! Isn't this GROSS!" or "flip me! This is hilarious, innit!", it's just a picture of a horrible thing delivered without comment. Without comment or response, but the people not responding to others' shock jockery upload some of their own the next day. A load of men shouting "fannies" into the void. Forever. Bizarre.

I remember going through a macabre phase and watching a video of the aftermath of a plane crash at an Airshow in either Russia or the Ukraine. The content was incredibly grim, hell on earth stuff. What made me stop watching those kinds of videos was oddly footage of a Hungarian footballer who died on the pitch. Name escapes me. I couldn't deal with any more videos of death after seeing that. The life drains from him as he collapsed.

lankyguy95

Those 'Ten Most Disturbing Photos' videos I occasionally watch and always regret doing so can sometimes be more upsetting than some of the death videos. I've never had nightmares about Tommy Cooper dying; I have about some weird, blurry photo of someone moments away from being murdered. Always freaks me the fuck out.

Ray Travez

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on February 21, 2019, 05:14:39 PM
I think things like Tommy Cooper and stuff that was televised to the nation are a bit different to brutal beheadings and snuff videos. They're already public domain anyway and of some historical significance (in the Cooper instance in the fact everyone thought it was a joke). No problem with warnings and that.

Yeah, I'd agree with this.

A couple of years back, the news were apparently broadcasting some guy begging for his life every night. Might have been Ken Bigley? I didn't have a tv at the time. I think that's horrible, some kind of pornography of suffering. I think it has a very negative effect on mass conciousness.

By comparison, I think you can still watch the death of say, Cooper, and for him to retain his dignity.

Golden E. Pump

Quote from: confettiinmyhair on February 21, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
I remember going through a macabre phase and watching a video of the aftermath of a plane crash at an Airshow in either Russia or the Ukraine. The content was incredibly grim, hell on earth stuff. What made me stop watching those kinds of videos was oddly footage of a Hungarian footballer who died on the pitch. Name escapes me. I couldn't deal with any more videos of death after seeing that. The life drains from him as he collapsed.

Miklos Feher. Awful.

kalowski

I hate them, and get dragged in. I went through a phase of watching loads of them, obsessed with that moment when life ended. Lots on rotten.com or something similar. R Budd Dwyer was fascinating, as he died instantly. Another one of some bloke shooting himself in a lift, his body just crumbles, I recall. Tommy Cooper and his death rattle playing over and over again in my head.
I now actively avoid then, although of course I was pulled in by the Vic Morrow video.

pupshaw

Has no one mentioned the US driver safety films. There are a lot of them.
I saw one once where they drag someone out the car, his eyes are open and
his whole face below his nose is gone. The police showed these to kids. 

Quote from: jobotic on February 21, 2019, 05:00:08 PM
Yeah, I didn't watch the Moto GP race in which Simoncelli died for some reason but against my better judgement I watched the crash on youtube and then felt a bit sickened by myself. Why did I need to watch that? It's still there.

I was watching the race when Senna crashed so I saw it through no fault of my own but I actively looked for this one.

Yeah, I did that too. Wish I hadn't. The thing that makes it so horrifying and saddening is that, the camera focuses solely on him, just laying there on the tarmac and once you see the hair, there's only one person that it could be. Normally with a racing accident, there's that disconnect because of the helmet or the car getting in the way, or the cameraman focusing on other carnage going on around it, or a body simply being flung away, but that was so fucking raw and Marco was such a lovely bloke as well. Bleak.

I'm off of Facebook now after a spate of fucking horrible videos and pictures that everyone was posting to "increase awareness" of issues. Snuff videos all over my timeline. There were these videos of babies and toddlers, clearly in end of life care, fucking dying on ventilators and everyone trying to make them go viral for fuck knows what reason. Nowhere to donate to, no story behind them to even know what we're supposed to be aware of, to campaign against.

The last straw was a dashcam video of an RTA where some dickhead tries to overtake someone, realises he isn't going to make it, brakes hard, sending the car into a spin and it gets t-boned by a lorry, splitting the car in two and sending these little broken bodies and car seats flying all about the place. Suffering, dying children seem to be a great ticket to going viral. I don't fucking need to see that. Nobody needs to see that outside of a fucking driver awareness course, where they'd have edited it anyway so that the participants weren't scarred for life.

Cuellar

I was watching Mommy Dead and Dearest on youtube the other night and they show the stabbed corpse of the mum quite brazenly. I did NOT remember that from the first time I watched it. Took me right by surprise.

Same with that Evil Genius thing on Netflix - we get the idea, didn't need to see it really.

Anyway.

St_Eddie

Quote from: Wet Blanket on February 21, 2019, 05:11:01 PM
I wouldn't in a million years watch that one-man two-hammers video...

I have watched that and it remains the single worst thing that I've ever seen and it needs to be said that whomever titled the video as '3 Guys 1 hammer' is a sick bastard with no respect for human life.  One may question my own motives for watching the video and that is something which I shall address in a future post.

As for the video itself, the titular hammer is the least of it, in terms of inhuman depravity.  The screwdriver stabbings in his abdomen and his eye socket ("I could feel his brain") are the aspects which truly caused me to completely and utterly despair for humanity.  That video still enters my mind, a couple of times a week, so traumatising was it.  I can only pray that the victim, Sergei Yatzenko's body was in such a extreme state of shock that he did't feel much of anything.  Although the gurgling and whimpering sounds that he made, sadly suggests otherwise.

Quote from: Wet Blanket on February 21, 2019, 05:11:01 PMWorse than blood and guts, the most disturbing thing I think I've seen online is that photo of a teenage girl in a barn, arms outstretched in fear, apparently a few minutes before she got murdered, which someone posted on here as a joke.

That would be the photo of Regina Kay Walters, victim of the serial killer Robert Ben Rhoades.  It is indeed an extremely harrowing and haunting photo.

St_Eddie

Quote from: Mister Six on February 21, 2019, 08:21:06 PM
Anyway, I'm unsure about whether the footage should be on YouTube, especially if it originally aired live. They're historical documents, so they have some intrinsic value, but perhaps that means they shouldn't be shorn of their context and slapped up on YouTube for people to gawp at. But then, what? A website dedicated to that kind of thing, putting in its historical context, like a highbrow Rotten.com?

I don't know about highbrow but even though 'Rotten.com' is no longer a thing, the likes of 'Documenting Reality' and 'Live Leaks' are still out there, dedicated to hosting videos of people dying and other disturbing material.

St_Eddie

Quote from: touchingcloth on February 21, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
...a video filmed by the driver of a car of their passenger sitting on the frame of the open window, legs inside the car and naked torso (wayy, lads, breasts, wayyyy) which ended at 70 miles per hour with a lamppost slamming into her head. Well, it ended after a slomo replay of that. No ta.

Are you absolutely positive that you're not mixing up a porno that you've seen and the film Hereditary in your mind?

Soup Dogg

I cant imagine watching that 3 men one hammer video. I listened to a podcast about the murderers and that was enough to put me off true crime to an extent, or at least look the prurience of it in the eye and have no excuses. I don't really want to be a voyeur to inhuman sadism or the total abjection of ordinary people tortured and mursered for kicks.

touchingcloth

Quote from: St_Eddie on February 23, 2019, 08:49:07 AM
Are you absolutely positive that you're not mixing up a porno that you've seen and the film Hereditary in your mind?

Well I've never seen Hereditary and I've never even heard of the porn, so probably not.

St_Eddie

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Quote from: Soup Dogg on February 23, 2019, 01:20:54 PM
I cant imagine watching that 3 men one hammer video. I listened to a podcast about the murderers and that was enough to put me off true crime to an extent, or at least look the prurience of it in the eye and have no excuses. I don't really want to be a voyeur to inhuman sadism or the total abjection of ordinary people tortured and mursered for kicks.

Earlier in the thread, I said that I would explain why I chose to watch such things and I guess this seems as good a time as any.  First of all, allow me to assure you that I took absolutely no joy, much less sexual gratification (are you sure that "prurience" was the right word to use there?  I would have thought that schadenfreude would be more fitting, given the gist of what you were saying), in watching the terrible things that I've seen in online videos.  Every single time was the same; I would sit there, hand over my mouth, begging for it to stop but seemingly being unable to avert my gaze or turn the video off.

I often questioned why it was that I was drawn to these videos, depicting humanity at its absolute worst and then one day, I was watching Channel Criswell's superb analysis of Taxi Driver and unexpectadly, I found my answer.  The entire analysis touches upon aspects which ring true to my personality and outlook on life but the most pertinent part is this section here (8:10-9:22).  That's why I spent my darkest moments in life watching the worst of humanity online.  That's why.

Dex Sawash

Not spending 70 seconds to gain better understanding of the inner workings of St Eddie.
Have lots of time for clearing the edit glitch though.

Bobby Ralgex

Quote from: Phoenix Lazarus on February 21, 2019, 07:41:37 PM
Budd Dwyer's last two minutes, before shooting himself in the press conference, are utterly gripping.

I know it's an old one, but I cannot believe his calm-like demeanour before he pulls out the gun and starts waving it about before shooting himself in the mouth into oblivion. I also cannot believe afterwards the ferocious blood tap on his nose. Horrible. Just fucking awful.

thenoise

Christine Chubbuck is another television suicide.

touchingcloth

Quote from: St_Eddie on February 23, 2019, 01:59:04 PM
Earlier in the thread, I said that I would explain why I chose to watch such things and I guess this seems as good a time as any.  First of all, allow me to assure you that I took absolutely no joy, much less sexual gratification (are you sure that "prurience" was the right word to use there?  I would have thought that schadenfreude would be more fitting, given the gist of what you were saying), in watching the terrible things that I've seen in online videos.  Every single time was the same; I would sit there, hand over my mouth, begging for it to stop but seemingly being unable to avert my gaze or turn the video off.

I often questioned why it was that I was drawn to these videos, depicting humanity at its absolute worst and then one day, I was watching Channel Criswell's superb analysis of Taxi Driver and unexpectadly, I found my answer.  The entire analysis touches upon aspects which ring true to my personality and outlook on life but the most pertinent part is this section here (8:10-9:22).  That's why I spent my darkest moments in life watching the worst of humanity online.  That's why.

When I watch these things it's because I want to understand man's inhumanity to man, and make a film about it.

Quote from: thenoise on February 23, 2019, 05:03:24 PM
Christine Chubbuck is another television suicide.

But the footage is not available on Youtube. The videos claiming to show it are fake, apparently.

St_Eddie

Quote from: touchingcloth on February 23, 2019, 05:09:40 PM
When I watch these things it's because I want to understand man's inhumanity to man, and make a film about it.

It's been done far better than you could ever hope to achieve, via Gervais' portrayal of a "mong" in Derek.

jobotic

Pretty sure you can't watch torture and murder in YouTube can you? Not that I've tried.

imitationleather

Can't really recall encountering deaths on YouTube other than yer Tommy Coopers but whenever someone sends a url to a video on Live Leak I give it a big old swerve.

St_Eddie

Quote from: imitationleather on February 23, 2019, 06:00:33 PM
...whenever someone sends a url to a video on Live Leak I give it a big old swerve.

A very wise decision indeed.  Sagelike, in fact.

touchingcloth

Quote from: jobotic on February 23, 2019, 05:55:49 PM
Pretty sure you can't watch torture and murder in YouTube can you? Not that I've tried.

Sometimes the /b/ lot upload videos of the Manflay with Peppa Pig as a title.

The Bumlord

Quote from: Bobby Ralgex on February 23, 2019, 04:40:56 PM
I know it's an old one, but I cannot believe his calm-like demeanour before he pulls out the gun and starts waving it about before shooting himself in the mouth into oblivion. I also cannot believe afterwards the ferocious blood tap on his nose. Horrible. Just fucking awful.

I think that was the first death I saw on the internet.

The shooting and the blood didn't bother me - it's the audible reactions from the people in the room afterwards.

20 years since I saw that, I reckon.

Shit Good Nose

Quote from: Satchmo Distel on February 23, 2019, 05:17:56 PM
But the footage is not available on Youtube. The videos claiming to show it are fake, apparently.

They're obviously fake - all you have to do is compare stills that were taken from other portions of the actual broadcast.

The actual footage is under lock and key with lawyers with strict instructions to never make it publically available in any way, shape of form (I think they weren't allowed to destroy it as it was evidence for the subsequent investigation).  No copies of it were made and, so far at least, no one has come forward with any home recordings.


Anyway, like others I went through my teenage period of morbid fascination and went through all the Faces and Traces of Death films, the Japanese Shocks! series, all the Italian Mondo ones, and then beheadings and accidents and the like as that sort of stuff found its way onto the internet.  Can't even go near that stuff now, despite the irony of how easy it is to find now compared with then.  These days, if I have ANY doubts whatsoever about a video, I read the comments first to make sure I'm not being Rickrolled into seeing someone crushed by a double decker bus falling on them.