Author Topic: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117  (Read 12295 times)

Paul Calf

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Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #240 on: April 12, 2019, 12:34:42 PM »


Suits him.

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Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #241 on: April 12, 2019, 02:28:48 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean to mislead with the 2018 article, but the same story won't go away till Jeremy Corbyn is forced out or becomes more obedient. Here's one from last week:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47845390

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Marie van der Zyl, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said the Sunday Times report showed that attempts to deal with anti-Semitism had been "treated with utter contempt".

"Rather than own up to the problem, the Labour leadership has put its efforts into a cover-up operation," she said. "Any claims to a politically independent system can now be seen as a total sham.

"Labour must now urgently open up its processes to scrutiny by the Jewish community".

It's possible to run afoul of the Board of Deputies whether criticising the conduct of Israel or pointing out the influence of a globalist billionaire.

At least Labour didn't throw Jeremy Corbyn under the bus after one single phone call from them.

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Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #242 on: April 12, 2019, 02:32:58 PM »
Marie van der Zyl is the most dangerous person in Britain [citation needed]

Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #243 on: April 12, 2019, 02:39:41 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean to mislead with the 2018 article, but the same story won't go away till Jeremy Corbyn is forced out or becomes more obedient. Here's one from last week:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47845390

It's possible to run afoul of the Board of Deputies whether criticising the conduct of Israel or pointing out the influence of a globalist billionaire.

At least Labour didn't throw Jeremy Corbyn under the bus after one single phone call from them.

He wasn't "pointing out the influence of a globalist billionaire", it was the latest in a long line of racist dog whistles.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #244 on: April 12, 2019, 02:42:34 PM »
He wasn't "pointing out the influence of a globalist billionaire", it was the latest in a long line of racist dog whistles.

Hatred and smearing of Corbyn based on false pretences and damned lies is equally valid of condemnation and scorn.

Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #245 on: April 12, 2019, 02:46:02 PM »
Check out the guy's posting history and read his comment again. He is an outright racist and is trying to conflate the Corbyn situation with the very real racism coming from the far right.

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Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #246 on: April 12, 2019, 03:01:58 PM »
Check out the guy's posting history and read his comment again. He is an outright racist and is trying to conflate the Corbyn situation with the very real racism coming from the far right.

Oh.

Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #247 on: April 12, 2019, 03:25:04 PM »
The reason it concerns me so much is that the fascist right have always had a strategy of finding common ground with the left in order to recruit defectors. Anti-Israeli feeling has been a prime part of that, along with issues of American imperialism and globalisation. Given the current nature of world politics, I think there is a very real danger of far-right groups using the Anti-Semitism crisis in order to red-pill a whole load of young people.

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Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #248 on: April 12, 2019, 08:28:56 PM »
Sorry, yes, that was meant to be an 'oh' of agreement.

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Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #249 on: April 15, 2019, 11:39:00 AM »
Roger Scruton on the article that led to his sacking:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/roger-scruton-an-apology-for-thinking/amp/

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I recently gave an interview to the New Statesman, on the assumption that, as the magazine’s former wine critic I would be treated with respect, and that the journalist, George Eaton, was sincere in wanting to talk to me about my intellectual life. Not for the first time I am forced to acknowledge what a mistake it is to address young leftists as though they were responsible human beings. Here is my brief response to an unscrupulous collection of out of context remarks, some of them merely words designed to accuse me of thought-crimes, and to persuade the government that I am not fit to be chairman of the commission recently entrusted to me.
Eaton repeats the libel, uttered under Parliamentary privilege originally, that I believe in some kind of Jewish conspiracy theory. Here is what I said in the speech (discussing the idea of the Nation State, and delivered to the Hungarian Academy) in which the relevant words occurred:

‘The Jewish minority (here in Hungary) that survived the Nazi occupation suffered further persecution under the communists, but nevertheless is active in making its presence known. Many of the Budapest intelligentsia are Jewish, and form part of the extensive networks around the Soros Empire. People in these networks include many who are rightly suspicious of nationalism, regard nationalism as the major cause of the tragedy of Central Europe in the 20th century, and do not distinguish nationalism from the kind of national loyalty that I have defended in this talk. Moreover, as the world knows, indigenous anti-Semitism still plays a part in Hungarian society and politics, and presents an obstacle to the emergence of a shared national loyalty among ethnic Hungarians and Jews.’

In retrospect I could have chosen the words more carefully. But my purpose was to point out that anti-Semitism has become an issue in Hungary, and an obstacle to a shared national identity. As for the Soros Empire, I am the only person I know who has actually tried to persuade Viktor Orbán to accept its presence, and that of the Central European University in particular, in Hungary. I did not succeed, but that is another matter. I should add that I am neither a friend nor an enemy of Orbán, but know him from the days when I helped him and his colleagues to set up a free university under the communists. What Orbán did then was the first step towards the liberation of his country, and George Soros was one of those who helped him too. It is sad for Hungary that the two have fallen out, and that the old spectre of anti-Semitism has been reborn from their clash. Given their two aggressive personalities, however, it is hardly surprising.

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We in Britain are entering a dangerous social condition in which the direct expression of opinions that conflict – or merely seem to conflict – with a narrow set of orthodoxies is instantly punished by a band of self-appointed vigilantes. We are being cowed into abject conformity around a dubious set of official doctrines and told to adopt a world view that we cannot examine for fear of being publicly humiliated by the censors. This world view might lead to a new and liberated social order; or it might lead to the social and spiritual destruction of our country. How shall we know, if we are too afraid to discuss it?


He wasn't "pointing out the influence of a globalist billionaire", it was the latest in a long line of racist dog whistles.

It looks more like the opposite of a dog whistle.  He explicitly refers to jews and their position of influence, but goes on to identify Hungarian nationalism and antisemitism as the problems. Even after his sacking he apportioned all blame to young leftists and the 'social condition' rather than any at all to the Board of Deputies.

When non-jewish Jeremy Corbyn supporters label Roger Scruton as antisemitic but deny that charge themselves, they should bear Billy Bragg's apology in mind:

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“I failed to recognise the right of the Jewish community to decide for themselves what does and doesn’t constitute racism. It’s the Macpherson principle, and I made a very insensitive response to someone’s question that implied that I knew better than the Jewish community about what is and isn’t. I personally don’t believe it amounted to antisemitism, it was just very insensitive. It denied them the right to decide what is a racist attack on their community, and that’s wrong and I apologise for it."

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/apr/08/billy-bragg-brexit-corbyn-skiffle-documentary-interview

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Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #250 on: April 15, 2019, 09:57:14 PM »
Bragg’s correct. But vicious machiavellian cunts should be denied that right - for the good of humanity

Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #251 on: April 16, 2019, 11:54:16 AM »
well, you have to laugh, don't you

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/10/every-mp-like-mark-francois-brexit-britain-would-much-better/

Why would anyone take this cunt serious when he looks like Chorlton trying to find his Wheelies?


Alberon

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Re: Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117
« Reply #253 on: Yesterday at 11:00:50 PM »
And he’s come back with ‘taken out of context’ defence. Because we’re all saying something that sounds like moronically stupid bullshit that are really pearls of wisdom with just a little more context.