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Tory Party Watch: parts 8245–8249 & 117

Started by Absorb the anus burn, March 02, 2019, 11:16:30 AM

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Johnny Yesno

I was referring to the people in Scotland who voted tory because they saw them as the only viable anti-independence party. As clearly explained in Old Nehamkin's post.

Try actually reading the text you're criticising, you idiot.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: NoSleep on June 05, 2019, 10:17:20 AM
Perhaps explaining yourself better; still have no idea what I'm apparently missing; you likened voting for the SNP to voting for psychopaths.

Fucking hell. No, I didn't. See above.

Do people need annotations on everything now?

Johnny Yesno

Scottish TORY voters

Scottish TORY voters


Does that help?

NoSleep

Yeah, sorry... But I was broadly commenting on your view that it is wrong for Scottish voters to consider their own independence over socialism for the UK.

Paul Calf

That's absolutely amazing. That was like a Twitter mob in microcosm.

Wasn't it obvious that Johnny was talking about Scottish Conservatives?

NoSleep

It was using the "single issue" analogy of Brexit that threw me.

Cuellar

MY ADJUDICATION: it was slightly ambiguous

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on June 04, 2019, 05:17:16 PM
This is a similar situation to brexit. Blinded by a single issue into voting for psychopaths.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: NoSleep on June 05, 2019, 10:28:50 AM
Yeah, sorry... But I was generally commenting on your view that it is wrong for Scottish voters to consider their own independence over socialism for the UK.

Fine, and sorry to get worked up about it. But those tory voters kind of illustrate why focussing on the issue of national borders alone can be a mistake. Unless they are actual tory voters anyway, in which case my point doesn't stand.

I have already posted upthread what my beef is with the commentary coming from some SNP voters and it's not solely to do with choosing independence over socialism, but the apparent lack of understanding of why Labour aren't hard remain like what their party is. My point being that there are other things than brexit to care about, such as austerity.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Cuellar on June 05, 2019, 10:32:00 AM
MY ADJUDICATION: it was slightly ambiguous

You were supposed to read the quoted text too. That's why it was there.

Paul Calf


Johnny Yesno

So, after that detour, the relevance to me is that the sector I work in is being opened up to 'any willing provider' by the tories. And that will happen whether we're in or out of the EU. I am unshakeably in the remain camp, if only because this deregulation will happen so much faster if we leave, but it's depressing to see so much of our national discourse dedicated to brexit to the exclusion of pretty much everything else.

https://www.ucu.org.uk/media/7668/High-cost-high-debt-high-risk-UCU-briefing-on-the-for-profit-education-sector-Aug-11/pdf/HighCostHighDebtHighRisk.pdf

Fambo Number Mive


BlodwynPig

Government not accountable for their crimes

Johnny Yesno



Johnny Yesno

Quote from: olliebean on June 05, 2019, 05:46:07 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/environment/uk-accused-of-trying-to-fiddle-climate-change-targets/ar-AAClgci

Thanks. Here's the text:

Quote
UK accused of trying to 'fiddle' climate change targets

The British government has been accused of trying to "fiddle" the country's climate change targets after cabinet ministers agreed to carry forward past "overperformance" in emissions reductions to allow a potential breach of pollution limits in coming years.

The news comes as the UK is preparing to adopt one of the most ambitious long term carbon targets in the world of net zero emissions by 2050 and as London lobbies to host the UN climate talks in 2020.

Ministers decided over the weekend to use past overperformance in emissions reductions by all sectors of the economy to relax the agreed limits up to 2027, ignoring a warning from the government's climate advisory group.

John Gummer, Lord Deben, the chair of the Committee on Climate Change, wrote to ministers in February urging them not to take advantage of the existing rule that allows the target to be changed in such circumstances.

But cabinet ministers are proceeding with the manoeuvre after Philip Hammond, the chancellor, wrote last week to colleagues urging them to reject the CCC's advice for the first time since it was set up a decade ago. His proposal has been adopted by Greg Clark, business secretary, whose department is responsible for the policy.

Under Britain's plans to reduce carbon from the atmosphere and tackle climate change, the government has committed to a series of five-year "carbon budgets" that restrict emissions to a certain level.

During the second carbon budget, from 2013 to 2017, Britain emitted 384 megatonnes (million tonnes) of carbon dioxide below its cap of 2,782 megatonnes.

Mr Hammond requested that 88 megatonnes of carbon pollution be carried forward to allow the UK to breach the limit in a future carbon budget. One ally said the chancellor saw the move as an "insurance policy" for the next government, given the regular "flux" in carbon emissions depending on economic growth.

By contrast, the government cancelled the surplus from the first carbon budget that ran from 2008 to 2012).

The UK is already off track, in terms of meeting its carbon budget for the next period of 2023 — 2027, according to government projections.

"It is basically saying, 'let's slow down on this transition'. And that will make it more difficult for us to make our end goal, the net zero goal," said Mike Childs, head of science, policy and research at environmental group Friends of the Earth. "It is not illegal, but it is definitely fiddling with the carbon budget."

By carrying forward the surplus, future emissions reductions will be more expensive, campaigners argue, because the move effectively delays the start of ambitious programmes to reach the 2050 target.

The intervention comes as Theresa May is poised to adopt the CCC's recommendation for a 2050 net zero carbon target — whereby the UK would not be allowed to produce any net greenhouse gases in 31 years' time.

There is a broad cabinet consensus on accepting the 2050 target, despite some ministers' misgivings about the potential impact on the economy. Liz Truss, chief secretary to the Treasury, has argued that the decision should be left to the next prime minister given the economic implications.

Mrs May could legislate before leaving Downing Street in late July, although she has not yet made any public commitment. Campaigners hope the prime minister is waiting until the end of the state visit of Donald Trump, a climate change sceptic, before announcing the plan.

Sherman Krank

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on June 05, 2019, 10:20:35 AM
I was referring to the people in Scotland who voted tory because they saw them as the only viable anti-independence party.
Mostly thanks to BBC Scotland and chums, a lot of them seemed to believe they were voting for Ruth Davidson of the Ruth Davidson Saves The Union And Keeps Us In The EU Party.

Now 'Remain 'til I Die' Ruthie has reappeared after having her (almost) well timed wean and is now apparently all gung ho for Brexit things have taken a turn.



Collated Westminster voting intentions for Scotland up to 17/5/2019


canadagoose

Quote from: Sherman Krank on June 05, 2019, 06:08:36 PM
Mostly thanks to BBC Scotland and chums, a lot of them seemed to believe they were voting for Ruth Davidson of the Ruth Davidson Saves The Union And Keeps Us In The EU Party.

Now 'Remain 'til I Die' Ruthie has reappeared after having her (almost) well timed wean and is now apparently all gung ho for Brexit things have taken a turn.



Collated Westminster voting intentions for Scotland up to 17/5/2019


Is that Electoral Calculus? I'm not sure it takes "local factors" into account enough - I can't see Edinburgh West, Edinburgh South and Ettrick, Roxburgh & Berwickshire changing any time soon.

edit: Or David Mundell's seat, Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale - that's unlikely to be going anywhere any time soon.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Sherman Krank on June 05, 2019, 06:08:36 PM
Mostly thanks to BBC Scotland and chums, a lot of them seemed to believe they were voting for Ruth Davidson of the Ruth Davidson Saves The Union And Keeps Us In The EU Party.

That makes sense. Fucking hell, what a mess. If there's one idea we need to hang on to as a nation, it's that we should never ever trust the tories.

Sherman Krank

Quote from: canadagoose on June 05, 2019, 07:19:49 PM
Is that Electoral Calculus?
Aye.

Quote from: canadagoose on June 05, 2019, 07:19:49 PM
I'm not sure it takes "local factors" into account enough - I can't see Edinburgh West, Edinburgh South and Ettrick, Roxburgh & Berwickshire changing any time soon.

edit: Or David Mundell's seat, Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale - that's unlikely to be going anywhere any time soon.
As far as I can tell they take the data from all the polling companies and smoosh it into an aggregate.

This page has a seat by seat break down (and you can click on each seat for even more detail).
Amusingly the table is set up with the 'safest' Labour seat at the top and the 'safest' Tory seat at the bottom to make it easier to see if the Red team or the Blue team are ahead.

Quick synopsis - Ian Murray in Ed. South is only 0.1% adrift. Mundell and Roxburgh twat look fucked.

jamiefairlie

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on June 05, 2019, 07:41:33 PM
That makes sense. Fucking hell, what a mess. If there's one idea we need to hang on to as a nation, it's that we should never ever trust the tories.

And the delicious irony is that she's utterly fucked herself now that BP is hoovering up all the mouth breather, no surrender OO types, totally splitting the right wing vote. Wouldn't be surprised to see a return to Tory free zone at the the next GE.

kalowski

Quote from: jamiefairlie on June 05, 2019, 11:57:54 PM
And the delicious irony is that she's utterly fucked herself now that BP is hoovering up all the mouth breather, no surrender OO types, totally splitting the right wing vote. Wouldn't be surprised to see a return to Tory free zone at the the next GE.
Well, electoral calculus has the prediction
Party   Pred Votes   Pred Seats
CON   18.7%   54
LAB       22.7%   216
LIB        18.3%   51
UKIP   1.0%   0
Green   7.8%   1
SNP   3.9%   56
PlaidC   0.7%   5
ChUK   2.2%   0
Brexit   24.1%   249
Minor   0.6%   0
N.Ire              18

BlodwynPig

Quote from: kalowski on June 06, 2019, 06:50:48 PM
Well, electoral calculus has the prediction
Party   Pred Votes   Pred Seats
CON   18.7%   54
LAB       22.7%   216
LIB        18.3%   51
UKIP   1.0%   0
Green   7.8%   1
SNP   3.9%   56
PlaidC   0.7%   5
ChUK   2.2%   0
Brexit   24.1%   249
Minor   0.6%   0
N.Ire              18

You can delete the 2.2 from ChUK for a start

BritishHobo

Michael Gove facing revelations about his cocaine use. He's said he deeply regrets it, as it was a youthful mistake twenty years ago - when he was nearly thirty, and had been to private school and Oxford. Actual teenagers have and will continue to have their lives fucked by the legal consequences of cocaine usage. Gove the overgrown child is out here blubbering that it shouldn't affect his standing for Prime Minister.

Gerald Fjord

not blubbering though, freely admitting. transparently pathetic attempt to give himself some cred / personality after the coverage Rory Stewart got for his opium use. imagine having done some cocaine, decades ago, and that being what gives you character. personally, I hope he dies.

Phil_A

Gove is such a void of a person I imagine the difference between him being on and off coke would be indistinguishable.

Blumf

I made a prediction a few years back that the Tories would be the party to legalise weed. I suspect it's the May and Widdlecombe types who've held it back (lovely Christians who despise pleasure). But now we seem to have a younger gen, expect it to be their secret weapon to tempt dah yout at the next election.


jobotic

Shouldn't they all be banged up? Zero tolerance.

If it turns out Raab held children down while Johnson injected them with heroin it'll all be japes.

Johnny Yesno

And Jeremy Hunt.

QuoteNot one to be left out, foreign minister Jeremy Hunt said he might have tried cannabis once as a young man.

Mr Hunt said he tried a "cannabis lassi" while backpacking through India in an interview with The Times.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-tory-leadership-candidate-andrea-16482437

I can see we're going to need Panorama to go undercover to reveal the scandal that these politicians didn't take any drugs at all.