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Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« on: March 10, 2019, 01:06:46 PM »
Do any of his sketches sit unwell with the moral status quo? Asking for a friend, actually.

Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2019, 02:07:43 PM »
I watched the Jam Festival episode recently (having posted it as a choice moment on the latest TDT thread in CC) and didn't really like the cruelty, or laugh. Also on one of the music shows he uses the n word. But generally, compared to the moral vacuity of, say, something feeble like Tramadol Nights, Morris is Thomas Aquinas. The horror in TDT and BE come from someone with a moral backbone made of iron.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2019, 07:31:13 AM »
Morris doing "Stephen Hawking belm"?

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2019, 10:53:26 AM »
Is he blacked-up as Fur-Q?

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2019, 11:51:43 AM »
I watched the Jam Festival episode recently (having posted it as a choice moment on the latest TDT thread in CC) and didn't really like the cruelty, or laugh. Also on one of the music shows he uses the n word. But generally, compared to the moral vacuity of, say, something feeble like Tramadol Nights, Morris is Thomas Aquinas. The horror in TDT and BE come from someone with a moral backbone made of iron.

But that's Morris lampooning Paxman et al, doing a piece about a charity event in unsuitably aggressive and over-the-top fashion. I think the satirical point still shines through even today. It's fake cruelty like, "You're wrong, and you're a grotesquely ugly freak," at the beginning of Brass Eye. Completely inappropriate and unexpected in the setting... and therefore funny.

The Fur Q bit gets a pass from me because Morris did that whole Rok TV section himself away from the rest of the cast. He's a massive fan of funk/soul/hip hop etc as well so I highly doubt he was intending it to be a Milligan, Curry n Chips type of thing.

I bet he even has black friends!!

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2019, 12:57:58 PM »
Old fashioned doesn't equate to racist, sexist or homophobic.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2019, 01:18:11 PM »
I bet he even has black friends!!


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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2019, 03:02:06 PM »
Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?

Do any of his sketches sit unwell with the moral status quo? Asking for a friend, actually.

What are you really asking here? Whether the threshold of acceptability has receded over time to reveal now-indefensible elements of unfairness, punching down or a dodgy moral position behind his material (if present)?

And which strands of his material have you in mind? (You mention 'sketches', are you talking more about Blue Jam / Jam?)

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2019, 04:15:04 PM »
Brasseye has always struck me as essentially sketch-like in nature.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2019, 04:34:43 PM »
I bet he even has black friends!!

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2019, 06:44:05 PM »
There are a few sketches in Blue Jam that appear to be mocking transgender folk. All the ones about people replacing their genitals with those of a duck, etc. I think I started a thread about it a few years ago.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2019, 07:58:41 PM »
There are a few sketches in Blue Jam that appear to be mocking transgender folk. All the ones about people replacing their genitals with those of a duck, etc. I think I started a thread about it a few years ago.

I remember a sketch where the parents replace their child's genitals by those of a duck. it's a bit of a stretch to call that "mocking transgender people".

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2019, 08:07:16 PM »
But that's Morris lampooning Paxman et al, doing a piece about a charity event in unsuitably aggressive and over-the-top fashion. I think the satirical point still shines through even today. It's fake cruelty like, "You're wrong, and you're a grotesquely ugly freak," at the beginning of Brass Eye. Completely inappropriate and unexpected in the setting... and therefore funny.

Yeah, baffled how that can be looked at differently or fit the criteria of the thread question.

Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2019, 01:13:24 AM »
I remember a sketch where the parents replace their child's genitals by those of a duck. it's a bit of a stretch to call that "mocking transgender people".
It's taking the piss out of people for having surgery to make their groins match their own self-image. If there is an analogue other than trans folk, I don't know what it is.

As noted in the relevant thread, these sketches might actually have been written by Graham Linehan.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2019, 02:14:02 AM »
It's taking the piss out of people for having surgery to make their groins match their own self-image. If there is an analogue other than trans folk, I don't know what it is.

As noted in the relevant thread, these sketches might actually have been written by Graham Linehan.

we don't know who wrote them, and we'll probably never know. I don't see Blue Jam as a work of satire, the point is not to mock people, it's about our imagination taking things to the extreme (in a very dark way), anyway, I only listen to Blue Jam at times of depression  (it's oddly therapeutic), I guess I'm not listening to it with a critical mind. and to be honest I don't really want to.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2019, 10:52:19 AM »
I've always thought of Blue Jam / Jam as absurdity for absurdities sake. There's a tradition of that in British comedy going back decades. That duck thing never evoked trans people in my mind, anyway.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2019, 01:40:06 PM »
Do any of his sketches sit unwell with the moral status quo?

No, it's the children who are wrong.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2019, 11:47:05 AM »
FWIW I recently showed some people the symptomless coma sketch from Jam and one girl in her early twenties reacted to it by saying 'this isn't allowed now is it?'.

She did find the funeral sketch funny though, so go figure.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2019, 12:41:29 PM »
Basically pretty much every film and TV show made before about 2015 and pretty much every single person involved in the entertainment industry since it began up until about the same time is going to have something suspect about it somewhere when glanced at with current "more enlightened" eyes.

I've said it many many times before and I'll say it again - we are in a VERY strange world where everything is okay and nothing is okay all at the same time, and no one knows where the boundaries are because they keep shifting on an almost daily basis.


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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2019, 09:31:16 PM »
FWIW I recently showed some people the symptomless coma sketch from Jam and one girl in her early twenties reacted to it by saying 'this isn't allowed now is it?'.

Odd that they would have a reaction to that sketch - surely that creepy doctor strand is all about the abuse of authority, although on the other hand there's no cheap cathartic psychologising where the viewer is led to 'understand' (and therefore condemn) his behaviour.

Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2019, 04:36:09 AM »
Most of you know what a dim view I take of people trying to re-write history and apply a current-day mindset.  Drives me up the fucking wall.

Yeah I remember you saying this and I think nowadays that's not on.

Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2019, 01:58:43 PM »
Odd that they would have a reaction to that sketch - surely that creepy doctor strand is all about the abuse of authority, although on the other hand there's no cheap cathartic psychologising where the viewer is led to 'understand' (and therefore condemn) his behaviour.
Maybe they meant that doctors aren't allowed to euthenise people.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2019, 03:16:18 PM »
Does “old-fashioned” mean “offensive”? Or dated? I don’t understand the criteria.

It’s as offensive to Daily Mail curtain twitchers as it’s always been, but it isn’t at all offensive to people with a sense of humour and a bit of intelligence. I did a rematch of TDT and BE a few months ago and was amazed at how fresh and cutting the satire and sketches felt. So nah I don’t reckon it’s old-fashioned.

I don’t want to sound like I’m having a go at you or anything, I just don’t follow the point you’re making.

Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2019, 06:02:30 PM »
It's taking the piss out of people for having surgery to make their groins match their own self-image. If there is an analogue other than trans folk, I don't know what it is.

As noted in the relevant thread, these sketches might actually have been written by Graham Linehan.

They probably are, his weird attitudes go way back.

https://twitter.com/wariotifo/status/1071477987395153922

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2019, 02:33:22 PM »
Most of Morris's work treads a dangerous line between making a point and just being nonsensical as fuck. There's obviously stuff in his work which is meant to shock (definitely once Jam and Blue Jam came around) but I don't sense any genuine hatred/anger/whatever directed at anyone other than politicians, the establishment, musicians etc who can take a bit of a bollocking. It's clear from his stuff and interviews with collaborators that he's always had a very acute sense of right and wrong, while still having the urge to poke a finger in the mix from time to time. I'm not sure how that's old-fashioned as it's sort of a perennial thing even when topics themselves date -see also The Goons, Python, Not The 9 O'Clock News and loads more. David Schneider's quote always holds true for me: "Chris is the boy who runs up to ring a stranger's doorbell then waits to see what happens next". That's pretty key to his work.

Having said all that, Morris's slowwwww pace and varying quality doesn't do him any favours these days and a lot of other comic minds have caught up and even overtaken him. In that sense, he has fallen behind the curve.

Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2019, 10:20:07 AM »
They probably are, his weird attitudes go way back.

https://twitter.com/wariotifo/status/1071477987395153922

Not sure that’s particularly weird, is it?
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