Author Topic: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?  (Read 1030 times)

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Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« on: March 10, 2019, 01:06:46 PM »
Do any of his sketches sit unwell with the moral status quo? Asking for a friend, actually.

Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2019, 02:07:43 PM »
I watched the Jam Festival episode recently (having posted it as a choice moment on the latest TDT thread in CC) and didn't really like the cruelty, or laugh. Also on one of the music shows he uses the n word. But generally, compared to the moral vacuity of, say, something feeble like Tramadol Nights, Morris is Thomas Aquinas. The horror in TDT and BE come from someone with a moral backbone made of iron.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2019, 07:31:13 AM »
Morris doing "Stephen Hawking belm"?

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2019, 10:53:26 AM »
Is he blacked-up as Fur-Q?

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2019, 11:51:43 AM »
I watched the Jam Festival episode recently (having posted it as a choice moment on the latest TDT thread in CC) and didn't really like the cruelty, or laugh. Also on one of the music shows he uses the n word. But generally, compared to the moral vacuity of, say, something feeble like Tramadol Nights, Morris is Thomas Aquinas. The horror in TDT and BE come from someone with a moral backbone made of iron.

But that's Morris lampooning Paxman et al, doing a piece about a charity event in unsuitably aggressive and over-the-top fashion. I think the satirical point still shines through even today. It's fake cruelty like, "You're wrong, and you're a grotesquely ugly freak," at the beginning of Brass Eye. Completely inappropriate and unexpected in the setting... and therefore funny.

The Fur Q bit gets a pass from me because Morris did that whole Rok TV section himself away from the rest of the cast. He's a massive fan of funk/soul/hip hop etc as well so I highly doubt he was intending it to be a Milligan, Curry n Chips type of thing.

I bet he even has black friends!!

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2019, 12:57:58 PM »
Old fashioned doesn't equate to racist, sexist or homophobic.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2019, 01:18:11 PM »
I bet he even has black friends!!


Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2019, 03:02:06 PM »
Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?

Do any of his sketches sit unwell with the moral status quo? Asking for a friend, actually.

What are you really asking here? Whether the threshold of acceptability has receded over time to reveal now-indefensible elements of unfairness, punching down or a dodgy moral position behind his material (if present)?

And which strands of his material have you in mind? (You mention 'sketches', are you talking more about Blue Jam / Jam?)

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2019, 04:15:04 PM »
Brasseye has always struck me as essentially sketch-like in nature.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2019, 04:34:43 PM »
I bet he even has black friends!!

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2019, 06:44:05 PM »
There are a few sketches in Blue Jam that appear to be mocking transgender folk. All the ones about people replacing their genitals with those of a duck, etc. I think I started a thread about it a few years ago.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2019, 07:58:41 PM »
There are a few sketches in Blue Jam that appear to be mocking transgender folk. All the ones about people replacing their genitals with those of a duck, etc. I think I started a thread about it a few years ago.

I remember a sketch where the parents replace their child's genitals by those of a duck. it's a bit of a stretch to call that "mocking transgender people".

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2019, 08:07:16 PM »
But that's Morris lampooning Paxman et al, doing a piece about a charity event in unsuitably aggressive and over-the-top fashion. I think the satirical point still shines through even today. It's fake cruelty like, "You're wrong, and you're a grotesquely ugly freak," at the beginning of Brass Eye. Completely inappropriate and unexpected in the setting... and therefore funny.

Yeah, baffled how that can be looked at differently or fit the criteria of the thread question.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2019, 01:13:24 AM »
I remember a sketch where the parents replace their child's genitals by those of a duck. it's a bit of a stretch to call that "mocking transgender people".
It's taking the piss out of people for having surgery to make their groins match their own self-image. If there is an analogue other than trans folk, I don't know what it is.

As noted in the relevant thread, these sketches might actually have been written by Graham Linehan.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2019, 02:14:02 AM »
It's taking the piss out of people for having surgery to make their groins match their own self-image. If there is an analogue other than trans folk, I don't know what it is.

As noted in the relevant thread, these sketches might actually have been written by Graham Linehan.

we don't know who wrote them, and we'll probably never know. I don't see Blue Jam as a work of satire, the point is not to mock people, it's about our imagination taking things to the extreme (in a very dark way), anyway, I only listen to Blue Jam at times of depression  (it's oddly therapeutic), I guess I'm not listening to it with a critical mind. and to be honest I don't really want to.

Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2019, 10:52:19 AM »
I've always thought of Blue Jam / Jam as absurdity for absurdities sake. There's a tradition of that in British comedy going back decades. That duck thing never evoked trans people in my mind, anyway.

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Re: Has Chris Morris become old-fashioned?
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2019, 01:40:06 PM »
Do any of his sketches sit unwell with the moral status quo?

No, it's the children who are wrong.