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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1470 on: May 14, 2019, 08:54:37 AM »
A question for someone who knows.

I've seen the claim that Labour has twice whipped in favour of a second ref, but can only find one instance: the Beckett Amendment. Does anyone have a link to a source for the other one please?

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1471 on: May 14, 2019, 09:02:34 AM »
Kyle & Wilson.

In the second round of indicative votes.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1472 on: May 14, 2019, 09:07:52 AM »

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1473 on: May 14, 2019, 09:10:22 AM »
Kyle & Wilson.

In the second round of indicative votes.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1474 on: May 14, 2019, 01:03:05 PM »
Oh no! Bridget Prentice - yes, THE Bridget Prentice - has resigned from the party stating that “the party has been destroyed … it is no longer the party of Hardie and Attlee and Blair … This is no longer the Labour party. You should change its name.”

What are we going to do?

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1475 on: May 14, 2019, 01:15:07 PM »
Deary me.

For those thinking who she?, she's the one having a laugh with Tony's old crony and flatmate "Lord" Falconer



Which is worrying because she says she's left because antisemitism and his lordship is the very one recently appointed to sort all that out.  This does not look good for Corbyn.

Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1476 on: May 14, 2019, 01:25:15 PM »
The party of Attlee and Blair.


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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1477 on: May 14, 2019, 01:41:06 PM »
Well Blair did need Attlee to create the NHS so he could help privatise it 50 years later. Team work!

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1478 on: May 14, 2019, 02:26:26 PM »
Blair trying to undermine Labour again: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/14/tony-blair-criticises-labour-brexit-policy

Fascinating. He criticises 'Labour’s handling of the Brexit process' then goes on to say:

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Politicians had lost sight of the importance of discussing domestic issues such as cuts to funding for health services and police and the lack of opportunities for young people amid Brexit chaos, he said.

“The great irony of Brexit is, the future of the National Health Service is decided in Westminster. The person who’s got the opportunity to do something about knife crime is Theresa May not Jean-Claude Juncker [the EU commission president],” he said. “Brexit’s distractive effect is almost as bad as the destructive effect.”



'Tony, I hear you're a Corbynite now.'

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1479 on: May 14, 2019, 02:28:12 PM »
Another reason to vote for Corbyn: https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1128198616269635584

Where will Sugar go, I wonder?

Haha! Why do they do it? The definition of hubris, there.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1480 on: May 14, 2019, 02:33:34 PM »
Fuck that, you can keep him. 

Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1481 on: May 14, 2019, 03:15:59 PM »
Another reason to vote for Corbyn: https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1128198616269635584

Where will Sugar go, I wonder?

Imagine how pleased he was with that Morecambe and Wise line.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1482 on: May 14, 2019, 03:20:05 PM »
He's an appalling man but he reminds me of an oiled hedgehog, so I would put him in a box and feed him cat food if I thought he was dying, I'm not a monster.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1483 on: May 14, 2019, 04:07:30 PM »
The party of Attlee and Blair.

Dunno what Arthur Ascii has to do with any of this, but I trust her knowledge and judgement.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1485 on: May 16, 2019, 08:28:04 PM »
Marr on BBC1, already teeing up the "bad night for both parties" line.

I repeat

2004: 21% for Labour
2009: 21% for Labour
2014: 24% for Labour

Still, there's always a chance everyone could fall into a crevass

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1486 on: May 17, 2019, 01:01:21 AM »
Marr on BBC1, already teeing up the "bad night for both parties" line.

I repeat

2004: 21% for Labour
2009: 21% for Labour
2014: 24% for Labour

Still, there's always a chance everyone could fall into a crevass

Be sad to see the 2 party politics die now without socialism getting a chance first

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1487 on: May 17, 2019, 08:24:41 AM »
Averaging over the polls since the locals puts labour at around 22%, so consistent with the halcyon Blair years. Pretty wide variance though, and no sense of an upward or downward trend - the two most recent polls, done within a couple of days of each other, give a difference of ten points, so basically you can take your pick. I'd love to see it go above the 2014 result.

But of course, even if Labour manage to luck out with a modest gain, we'll be back to "under any other leader this party would be 30 points ahead". To which I guess now we can reply "You mean, like Chuka Umunna?".

I also have a feeling that the cross-party talks are on the brink of breaking down, and we may see a shift towards a more overt 2nd ref position. McDonnell has basically said as much. Whilst I have many reservations about a 2nd ref in practice, I don't think it will be the vote loser that some imagine it to be. Those who want a Brexit at all costs have thrown themselves behind the Brexit party, which has hurt the Tories much more than Labour. That said, I think Labour voters who have defected to the LDs "because Brexit" are likely also to be those who want New Labour back, so I doubt this shift would attract many people back into the fold. But it would also make the "unclear position on Brexit" thing go away (which is a bit unfair - it is clear, it's just too complicated).




Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1488 on: May 17, 2019, 11:03:28 AM »
I also have a feeling that the cross-party talks are on the brink of breaking down,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48304867

They have.

Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1489 on: May 17, 2019, 12:09:16 PM »
How could they not have now she's going and a Brexiter leader would have ignored it all anyway?

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1490 on: May 17, 2019, 03:09:52 PM »
Precisely. But I still claim my prize as political fortune teller.

Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1491 on: May 17, 2019, 03:17:13 PM »
I have a funny feeling that this evening, the Earth's sun will disappear over the western horizon and the sky will become dark

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1492 on: May 17, 2019, 05:47:51 PM »
Quite. I notice however that everyone is piling on to blame Corbyn for the breakdown in talks, despite the fact that it was obvious it was just for show from the start.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1493 on: May 17, 2019, 08:42:33 PM »
Quite. I notice however that everyone is piling on to blame Corbyn for the breakdown in talks, despite the fact that it was obvious it was just for show from the start.

As usual with May, if only the nasty people had just agreed to everything I wanted there would be a deal.

Probably the shittest hardball negotiator in history.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1494 on: May 17, 2019, 10:58:35 PM »
So are we fucked or not?

Labour seem to have played it well, exhausting all possibilities but Brexit now looks impossible so a second ref is the only option if no General election?

But I fear that can't happen now, the Tories are going to dig their heels in surely? No General Election and a no deal brexit from May's successor.

The narrative seems to be that all of the brexit fuck up Perry is Corbyn's fault?
Too brexit if you ask the ?Lib Dem, centrist cuck fucks and also too non-brexit if you ask farage.

Is this working out or are we doomed to hard right politics in no deal brexit land?

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1495 on: May 17, 2019, 11:02:44 PM »
No General Election and a no deal brexit from May's successor.

With no GE the parliamentary arithmetic doesn't change so how would May's successor do this?

Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1496 on: May 17, 2019, 11:04:18 PM »
With no GE the parliamentary arithmetic doesn't change so how would May's successor do this?

Just wait it out until October 31 and blame the EU.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1497 on: May 17, 2019, 11:05:38 PM »
It's the one thing that doesn't require a parliamentary majority. (Eh, well, maybe Revoke A50. Probably illegal but it'd take a while to agree this.)

What actually happens now if you can't pass a Finance Bill?

Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1498 on: May 17, 2019, 11:08:03 PM »


Is this working out or are we doomed to hard right politics in no deal brexit land?

Yes, yes you are. Yer actual fascists have one hand on power now and won’t let go, not with at least 30% of the English public behind them. Dark days.

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Re: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia
« Reply #1499 on: May 17, 2019, 11:09:17 PM »
Just wait it out until October 31 and blame the EU.

If it came to that then the EU would dangle a further extension and there'd be a motion to accept it which the majority of the house would vote for.