Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia

[BlodwynPig]

Paul is the music man
He come from down your way
He is the dreamer of dreams
and he can play!

"What can he play?"

The strings of terror, that's what he plays.

Hark! The black wings of annihilation come for thee.

[greenman]

The perception that the BBC has a left wing bias is persistent, even among some left-wingers. It's been used to push the BBC further and further right.

The US is Britain in 20 years.

Really its the very deliberate confusion(from both the Tories and new Labour) between "left wing" and nominally socially liberal isn't it? really though I think we see when push comes to shove the BBC don't value the latter as highly as they do avoiding the former.

[Dr Rock]

I am so sick of the BBC pushing its pro-Trotsky agenda down my throat.

[Replies From View]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wkvP9SdhU

[Buelligan]

I find it worrying that you remembered that well enough to remember whose house we are all going to shit in.  You should examine yourself. 

[solidified gruel merchant]

Aren't the bbc just biased towards the government of the day, for obvious reasons? I remember the Tories were treated as a bit of a joke during the Michael Howard, IDS, William Hague years. They were seen as an irrelevance and even economically incompetent!
On qt they were regularly mocked and boo-hissed.
Obviously the opposition to Jeremy Corbyns socialist labour from the media is very real and the bbc are instrumental in this, but see it all change when labour win the next election.

[phantom_power]

I think "The BBC" is such a large concept that it is all things to all people. For lots of people the things that contradict their world view stick out more and make them think it is against them

[Gerald Fjord]

Plus there's an obvious distance between the mean worldview of their news programming and their comedy, which generally skews left.

[TrenterPercenter]

Aren't the bbc just biased towards the government of the day, for obvious reasons?.....
Obviously the opposition to Jeremy Corbyns socialist labour from the media is very real and the bbc are instrumental in this, but see it all change when labour win the next election.

Well we don't know, over the last 40 years the BBC has only had to contend with supporting governments from the same broad economic political ideology regardless of colour rosette.  I think there is reasonable evidence to suggest that support for a socialist Labour Party even after winning a GE will need to be hard fought as their ideology is in clear contradiction to a lot of hierarchies that have been built up since the 1970s.   This is the establishment, it isn't an organisation it is a disparate but interconnected matrix of institutions and people that have a vested interest in maintaining the established order, it is how they became established in the first place.

The Tories having been a longer "established party" with its far reaching tentacles into aristocracy and elite institutions, have a layer of control beyond that of what the Labour Party has currently been able to engineer.  This is not to be confused with popular political power (of which it has lots).  New Labour of course took steps  to embed itself into the establishment, and this held advantages for the establishment as well, as it's main threat (democratic people power) could be to some degree controlled.  This sold out its true base in favour of wet Tories, dragging their working class vote along with them for a third way approach to power.  In reality all political parties are essentially brokers, they are in the business of translating democratic consent into political power which they then wield to give and take power to the other players & institutions in the economy.  It is who you see as those players & institutions that makes difference, and the current iteration of the LP is clearly not interested in the pre-established ones we have at the moment.

[TrenterPercenter]

The perception that the BBC has a left wing bias is persistent, even among some left-wingers. It's been used to push the BBC further and further right.

The US is Britain in 20 years.

It is more insidious than this.

News/Current Affairs = leaning very much to the right
General programming = generally left leaning though slowly be replaced with mindless reality TV shite

[Blumf]

The BBC left win bias isn't economic, it's social. To wit, they'll happily support women/gay/race rights, whilst also cheering on the bombing of brown people in far away countries that have oil, and championing austerity at home.

When (right-wing) people complain about the left-wing bias, it's that social progressiveness they're moaning about. The powers that be, however, couldn't give a toss about that (doesn't negatively affect profits), so it's allowed.

[KennyMonster]

Well we don't know, over the last 40 years the BBC has only had to contend with supporting governments from the same broad economic political ideology regardless of colour rosette.  I think there is reasonable evidence to suggest that support for a socialist Labour Party even after winning a GE will need to be hard fought as their ideology is in clear contradiction to a lot of hierarchies that have been built up since the 1970s.   This is the establishment, it isn't an organisation it is a disparate but interconnected matrix of institutions and people that have a vested interest in maintaining the established order, it is how they became established in the first place.

The Tories having been a longer "established party" with its far reaching tentacles into aristocracy and elite institutions, have a layer of control beyond that of what the Labour Party has currently been able to engineer.  This is not to be confused with popular political power (of which it has lots).  New Labour of course took steps  to embed itself into the establishment, and this held advantages for the establishment as well, as it's main threat (democratic people power) could be to some degree controlled.  This sold out its true base in favour of wet Tories, dragging their working class vote along with them for a third way approach to power.  In reality all political parties are essentially brokers, they are in the business of translating democratic consent into political power which they then wield to give and take power to the other players & institutions in the economy.  It is who you see as those players & institutions that makes difference, and the current iteration of the LP is clearly not interested in the pre-established ones we have at the moment.

I agree with most of what you say, there is an establishment to fight,

I think it is still the case that no national newspaper in this country has ever had an editor that hasn't been to Public School.

They allowed New Labour because they were as far left as 'we' are allowed to go, imagine the future as the gurning face of tory voter James O'Brian BELMing behind your back forever, 

but the 40 years estimation is way off,

taking an excerpt from a John Pilger column we can see that this has been going for a little bit longer than that

"............The BBC's "Reithian values" of impartiality and independence are almost scriptural in their mythology. Soon after the corporation was founded in the 1920s by Lord John Reith, Britain was consumed by the General Strike. "Reith emerged as a kind of hero," wrote the historian Patrick Renshaw, "who had acted responsibly and yet preserved the precious independence of the BBC. But though this myth persisted it has little basis in reality... the price of that independence was in fact doing what the government wanted done. [Prime Minister Stanley] Baldwin... saw that if they preserved the BBC's independence, it would be much easier for them to get their way on important questions and use it to broadcast Government propaganda."
Unknown to the public, Reith had been the prime minister's speech writer.  Ambitious to become Viceroy of India, he ensured the BBC became an evangelist of imperial power, with "impartiality" duly suspended whenever that power was threatened. This "principle" has applied to the BBC's coverage of every colonial war of the modern era............. "

that's what we are up against.

or something

I'm a bit dehydrated right now.

[king_tubby]

The BBC left win bias isn't economic, it's social. To wit, they'll happily support women/gay/race rights, whilst also cheering on the bombing of brown people in far away countries that have oil, and championing austerity at home.

When (right-wing) people complain about the left-wing bias, it's that social progressiveness they're moaning about. The powers that be, however, couldn't give a toss about that (doesn't negatively affect profits), so it's allowed.

100% agreed.

[Johnny Yesno]

The BBC left win bias isn't economic, it's social. To wit, they'll happily support women/gay/race rights, whilst also cheering on the bombing of brown people in far away countries that have oil, and championing austerity at home.

When (right-wing) people complain about the left-wing bias, it's that social progressiveness they're moaning about. The powers that be, however, couldn't give a toss about that (doesn't negatively affect profits), so it's allowed.

That's the only equality neoliberalism can imagine: the opportunity for people of all colours and creeds to trample on their fellow humans as they strive to reach the top. The meritocracy, as it is misunderstood by those who advocate it. Of course, it conveniently ignores the fact that it's easier to have a good old trample if you already happen to be at the top and want to stay there.

[pigamus]

The BBC left win bias isn't economic, it's social. To wit, they'll happily support women/gay/race rights, whilst also cheering on the bombing of brown people in far away countries that have oil, and championing austerity at home.

When (right-wing) people complain about the left-wing bias, it's that social progressiveness they're moaning about. The powers that be, however, couldn't give a toss about that (doesn't negatively affect profits), so it's allowed.

Profits?

[Buelligan]

Peace be upon them.

[BlodwynPig]

It is more insidious than this.

News/Current Affairs = leaning very much to the right
General programming = generally left leaning though slowly be replaced with mindless reality TV shite

Slowly?

Bring back Beasts ffs

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

also cheering on the bombing of brown people in far away countries that have oil

Can you actually site any examples of this or are you, as i suspect, just making shit up about the "evil BBC" because they're an easy target.

[pancreas]

Can you actually site any examples of this or are you, as i suspect, just making shit up about the "evil BBC" because they're an easy target.

Not even Mrs Wogan's best entry to the 1987 Women's Institute Bake Fair.

[Absorb the anus burn]

Neoliberalism has let itself go.

[TrenterPercenter]

Can you actually site any examples of this or are you, as i suspect, just making shit up about the "evil BBC" because they're an easy target.

I don't know about cheering but the BBC were incredibly lacklustre in their condemnation of the Iraq War.  Yes there was handwringing afterward but it hasn't even been equivalent to their treatment of Corbyn.  So it does rather beg the question why the BBC gets so morally pugnacious when it comes to white people being stabbed or white blairites being offended yet not so much when black people are being deported and brown people are being blown up in other countries.

We are all one people right, humanity isn't divisible, yet for some reason these lives are worth less.

This is yours and likes of JOBs problem isn't it, you like to bang on hysterically about how terrible people are for talking to the IRA as they kill people yet you are complete apologists for an administration that through gross negligence or deceit took a country to war that has left 100s of thousands dead and created the absolute cluster fuck in the middle east we are seeing now.

We understand all of this, it wasn't hard for us to see this from the beginning, because we haven't got sociopathic hearts.

Another JOB quip today which illuminates things; Lord "Being Right" was APOPLECTIC at the concentrated amount of privately schooled individuals that had taken top post in the country.  He was APPALLED and DISGUSTED, he told us how he knows this to be true being a privately schooled child himself, that rich people, not smarter people, pay for the leg up via private school.  He was OUTRAGED at the inequality this breeds and the class system it enforces of all of us.

He was so OUTRAGED, APPALLED and DISGUSTED that his solution was to advise his listeners to pay for their children to go to private school if they could afford or could just not afford it.

It is deranged sociopathy and thankfuckfully people are beginning to catch on to it.

[honeychile]

Can you actually site any examples of this or are you, as i suspect, just making shit up about the "evil BBC" because they're an easy target.

Huge amounts of dodgy evidence/omissions/regurgitating of propaganda claims in their coverage, but this is probably the most famous example of puffing up a prime minister for invading a foreign oily country.

[pancreas]

Fuck me. Amazing to see that now.

[imitationleather]

Wow. I'd not seen that before. Surprised it didn't end with the national anthem and everyone saluting.

[sponk]

"smiles like split watermelons" oh so it's all right when Andrew Marr says that but when Boris does it's "racist"???

[BlodwynPig]

"smiles like split watermelons" oh so it's all right when Andrew Marr says that but when Boris does it's "racist"???

Against Watermelons?

[idunnosomename]

"smiles like split watermelons" oh so it's all right when Andrew Marr says that but when Boris does it's "racist"???

HELLO DERE

[KennyMonster]

Against Watermelons?

As lefties Ben Elton/Richard Curtis wrote "What am de watty Melon?"

so it's ok for them to do it but if a Tory like poor BoJo does then it's somehow racist all of a sudden?

It's Elf n safety gone mad.

[Paul Calf]

It's like there's different words for racists ('racist') and different words for people who are not racists ('not racist')

[Buelligan]

Practicing joined-up-thinking.