Topic: Corbyn 23: Hail Discorbia

[Danger Man]

Here's hoping. Or not. God I hate this shit.

Corbyn is shit but May is shitter. That's all you've got.

[greencalx]

Corbostrop reduced to a throwaway mention on the Ten.

In fact, I’m surprised the bbc made so little of it - should have been right up their street. In any case the fact that none of the other “leaders” were able to change May’s position further demonstrates the meeting was just for show.

[gib]

On BBC News 24 (or whatever it's called now) they were saying they had tried to find someone saying something in support of May, like on Twitter and all that, and they were unable to find a single thing. So i guess the Corbostrop was never going match that.

[BlodwynPig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W24ohHc4zYM

[holyzombiejesus]

Watching Newsnight and Liz Kendalls is talking like she's being played by a shit actor. Only a cursory mention of Corbyn's strop.

[Bum Flaps]

Watching Newsnight and Liz Kendalls is talking like she's being played by a shit actor. Only a cursory mention of Corbyn's strop.

Bit too much pre-broadcast mint cake?

[Fabian Thomsett]

Dunno, multiple sources saying Corbyn walked out because of Chuka. Really fucking stupid if he did, and I can't really think of a good reason to justify it in any circumstance. He's allowed the focus to shift onto labour again,and done a good job of perpetuating the notion that all sides of parliament are bickering babies who can't put aside their own petty differences to work for the common good in a time of national crisis.

Oh who gives a shit? It was a pointless meeting anyway.

[Hundhoon]

the mental gymnastics required  to defend this man regarding Brexit must be exhausting. about 10 percent at most in Labour agree with his stance on Brexit.
what is he doing?

[Bryan Cocks]

the mental gymnastics required  to defend this man regarding Brexit must be exhausting. about 10 percent at most in Labour agree with his stance on Brexit.
what is he doing?

Be gone, you Tory cheerleader! You don't understand the situation like I do. If you did, you'd realise why it's always other people's fault and hey what about those traitor MP's, eh? They're all out to get him, you know. Our socialist utopia terrifies them, did you know? It's true, because three other people in this thread keep agreeing the fuck out of it and what about those Blairites, eh? Bloody Guardian are out to get us 'n'all, now. It's all true and if you don't realise that you're a little cunt and you're definitely a Tory or something. U DONT GETTIT.

And so on.

[greencalx]

We’ve literally just had two pages of people saying that, notwithstanding the pointlessness of yesterday’s meeting, flouncing out was not good PR and a silly thing to do. But hey ho, lets ignore that shall we.

The question asked is rhetorical. Let me answer with a rhetorical question. How would Theresa May’s Brexit strategy be different if, say, Yvette Cooper were in charge? Which of her red lines would May have abandoned? Would she come out in favour of a second referendum, or ruled out No Deal?

[Buelligan]

Right now, right now, do we need to change the leader of the Labour Party?  Fucking hell, you fucking idiots, how many years has it taken to get a socialist in charge of the Party?  How many years has it taken to get within sniffing distance of government?  How many people have lived and died in poverty, all those lost life-chances, all that needless sorrow and pain? 

Right now we're on the cusp of changing that, stopping that, think about that, why don't you.

This is for you, Bryan Cocks.

[holyzombiejesus]

Right now, right now, do we need to change the leader of the Labour Party?  Fucking hell, you fucking idiots, how many years has it taken to get a socialist in charge of the Party?  How many years has it taken to get within sniffing distance of government?  How many people have lived and died in poverty, all those lost life-chances, all that needless sorrow and pain? 

Right now we're on the cusp of changing that, stopping that, think about that, why don't you.

It doesn't really affect you so maybe get down off your high horse before you start calling people fucking idiots. I don't particularly feel that we should be changing the leadership (although I feel that we could possibly benefit in some ways from electing another left wing leader (and it certainly would be another left winger)) but for many, unfortunately, I don't think there is any way back for Corbyn. It's the policies that matter, not the actual person trying to implement them, and it's vital to get those policies enacted rather than any particular person as PM.

[Buelligan]

Makes no difference at all right now does it?  We are here now, here, where there's no time left at all for this load of wank.  It's time to take control of government or lose it because fucking idiots can't tell a priority from a fucking wish list.

[Paul Calf]

Oh, I didn't realise that we just had to have a left-wing Labour administration in government. All these years, and I never realised that was the solution. You'd better get on the blower to Labour Party HQ and tell them, quick, before someone nicks your idea.

[Hundhoon]

where there's no time left at all for this load of wank.

Sometimes it feels there really is not much separating the Corbyn and Farage supporters.

[Buelligan]

You should read more, listen more, think more, you'll find it easier.

[pancreas]

Some questions for those clutching pearls over Corbyn's deeply irresponsible petulant strop at a time of national crisis.

a) Did he really flounce because Chuka, or was it mainly that the whole exercise of sitting in a room hearing May read out a script that you've heard 500 times already is not worth a tinker's damn? And that the whole exercise was originally designed a box-tick to say: I've consulted everyone. I've tried everything.

b) Has anything meaningful changed as a result of Corbyn flouncing or not?

c) Don't you find it interesting, that of all the shocking fucking things going on right now, that it is now headline news that Corbyn has apparently handled something badly? At least it's a different record from the Now That's What I Call Antisemitism 69, I suppose.

[pancreas]

Indeed.

Barry Gardiner, the shadow secretary of state for international trade, told the Today programme that Corbyn had already held a “20-minute, one-on-one” conversation with Theresa May and that the meeting the Labour leader left was actually with David Lidington, the de facto deputy prime minister.

He also said that participants in the meeting Corbyn missed later said that the prime minister had refused to cede any ground on her red lines.

Gardiner defended Corbyn’s walkout by questioning the legitimacy of the Independent Group. Speaking to BBC Breakfast, he said:

Political parties have transparency about their funding arrangements. The Independent Group does not. My understanding is that they were there not for that meeting originally.

They were there for a meeting with David Lidington and because No 10 didn’t get its meetings sorted out they happened to be in the same room, it was chaos.

It is not about the process it is about the substance. The people who came out of that meeting said ‘this meeting was simply for show, this meeting was simply so she could pretend that she was listening.’ She did not listen, she has not changed her red lines, she is not willing to compromise.

So as NoSleep said last night: Get a fucking grip.

[jobotic]

It's all a load of bollocks anyway (note the use of the word "scrambled" there)

Labour has scrambled to rectify any damage done by reports that Jeremy Corbyn walked out of a meeting with the prime minister at Downing Street because Chuka Umunna, the leader of The Independent Group and a former party MP, was also attending it.

Barry Gardiner, the shadow secretary of state for international trade, told the Today programme that Corbyn had already held a “20-minute, one-on-one” conversation with Theresa May and that the meeting the Labour leader left was actually with David Lidington, the de facto deputy prime minister.

He also said that participants in the meeting Corbyn missed later said that the prime minister had refused to cede any ground on her red lines.

Gardiner defended Corbyn’s walkout by questioning the legitimacy of the Independent Group. Speaking to BBC Breakfast, he said:

Political parties have transparency about their funding arrangements. The Independent Group does not. My understanding is that they were there not for that meeting originally.

They were there for a meeting with David Lidington and because No 10 didn’t get its meetings sorted out they happened to be in the same room, it was chaos.

It is not about the process it is about the substance. The people who came out of that meeting said ‘this meeting was simply for show, this meeting was simply so she could pretend that she was listening.’ She did not listen, she has not changed her red lines, she is not willing to compromise.

[jobotic]

I meant - what Pancreas said

[holyzombiejesus]

Why dismiss fellow socialists and Corbyn supporters voicing concerns as 'clutching at pearls'? It's a bit shitty.

[pancreas]

Why dismiss fellow socialists and Corbyn supporters voicing concerns as 'clutching at pearls'? It's a bit shitty.

Sorry if I'm being a bit rude. It's not meant to be directed to you specifically, but it's frustrating. You're not being sufficiently critical of what you're hearing in the news despite the fact you know they'll twist any piece of nothingness to make you think badly of him.

[NoSleep]

Clearly, walking out of a pointless meeting is the worst thing he could have done, pancreas. Do you not see that?

[Soup Dogg]

Oh fuck off.

[Jockice]

Clearly, walking out of a pointless meeting is the worst thing he could have done, pancreas. Do you not see that?

It was the way he did it though. There was surely no need for him to leave the room backwards pointing at Chuka Ummuna and chanting: "Who the fuck, who the fuck, who the fucking hell are you? WHO THE FUCKING HELL ARE YOU?", before giving him V-signs with both hands as he exited.

[Talulah, really!]

Some questions for those clutching pearls over Corbyn's deeply irresponsible petulant strop at a time of national crisis.

a) Did he really flounce because Chuka, or was it mainly that the whole exercise of sitting in a room hearing May read out a script that you've heard 500 times already is not worth a tinker's damn? And that the whole exercise was originally designed a box-tick to say: I've consulted everyone. I've tried everything.

If it isn't worth a tinker's damn, why attend in the first place?

b) Has anything meaningful changed as a result of Corbyn flouncing or not?

It makes him look petulant and unprofessional for one, (it is insulting to the other people who did attend, it weren't just him and Chukka in the room), secondly though, would anything meaningful have happened had he stayed? If not, why not? If the meeting was not worth a tinker's damn, then at a time of national crisis shouldn't the leader of the opposition be doing something rather more useful then? You know, like, hand out awards to the best kebab van in the UK?

c) Don't you find it interesting, that of all the shocking fucking things going on right now, that it is now headline news that Corbyn has apparently handled something badly? At least it's a different record from the Now That's What I Call Antisemitism 69, I suppose.

If, at a time of national crisis, the leader of the opposition leaves a meeting he judged important enough to attend in the first place on what appear to be poorly explained or spurious reasons then that is perfectly worthy of a media comment.

[Buelligan]

Yeah, it's worthy of media comment, as are all the other bizarre allegations against Corbyn.  It's also worth Labour supporters taking those comments with a shovel-full of salt.

[Bryan Cocks]

Clearly, walking out of a pointless meeting is the worst thing he could have done, pancreas. Do you not see that?

It would have been preferable for him to stay though, do you get that? He finally showed up to a meeting he’s been asked to attend since January 2018, one week before a potentially literal national calamity and walked  out for relatively minor reasons. Even if it was a one off example of self interested intransigence, it would be a dick move. But it’s the latest in a litany of ways in which a Corbyn has obstructed progressive alternatives to Theresa May’s deal. I think a lot of people will be very disappointed with his performance.

[Buelligan]

Apparently, he walked out of a meeting with David Lidington.  The meeting with May, which he attended, was over.

Barry Gardiner, the shadow secretary of state for international trade, told the Today programme that Corbyn had already held a “20-minute, one-on-one” conversation with Theresa May and that the meeting the Labour leader left was actually with David Lidington, the de facto deputy prime minister.

He also said that participants in the meeting Corbyn missed later said that the prime minister had refused to cede any ground on her red lines.

Gardiner defended Corbyn’s walkout by questioning the legitimacy of the Independent Group. Speaking to BBC Breakfast, he said:

Political parties have transparency about their funding arrangements. The Independent Group does not. My understanding is that they were there not for that meeting originally.

They were there for a meeting with David Lidington and because No 10 didn’t get its meetings sorted out they happened to be in the same room, it was chaos.

It is not about the process it is about the substance. The people who came out of that meeting said ‘this meeting was simply for show, this meeting was simply so she could pretend that she was listening.’ She did not listen, she has not changed her red lines, she is not willing to compromise.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Apparently, he walked out of a meeting with David Lidington.  The meeting with May, which he attended, was over.

Quick clarification- May and Corbyn had a one on one telephone conversation, not a group meeting.