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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2019, 02:11:57 PM »
Love him or hate him, it's good to know that there are still artists like Tarantino working in Hollywood.

That trailer has me excited to see the film.  I also noted the caption of 'Hollywood 1969', which pretty much confirms what I said previously within this thread (decade aside)...

...I now feel that I have a much clearer idea of what this film is.  It's essentially a snapshot of time; Hollywood in 1942/1943.  It's through that understanding that I can now appreciate how Charles Manson factors into this story in an organic way, without it being a movie about Charles Manson.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2019, 08:05:23 AM »
Does Kurt Russell Connect Once Upon a Time in Hollywood to Death Proof?

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Quentin Tarantino has become known for tying his movies together inside something of a shared universe, one that’s much more subtle than any other cinematic universe out there. Vincent Vega and Vic Vega, John Travolta and Michael Madsen’s characters from Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs, for example, are brothers, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

Now hear me out. In Tarantino’s ninth film, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, the great Kurt Russell is clearly playing some sort of cigarette-smoking stuntman type character, as revealed in today’s brand new trailer for the movie. In other words, Russell looks to be playing a character who’s pretty damn similar to his character from Death Proof, Stuntman Mike.

But is Russell actually playing Stuntman Mike in Once Upon a Time? Given the timeline – Once Upon a Time is set in 1969, while 2007’s Death Proof was set in the present – that seems highly unlikely. Kurt Russell has aged like a fine wine, to be sure, but there’s no way Stuntman Mike could possibly look pretty much exactly the same in 1969 as he does decades later.

But let’s not forget something Stuntman Mike mentions in Death Proof. When he’s asked how he got into the stunt business, he says that his brother got him into it: Stuntman Bob.

Presumably then, Stuntman Bob is Stuntman Mike’s *older* brother, so it’s entirely possible that Kurt Russell is playing Stuntman Bob in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Again, this sort of movie-to-movie connection is the kind of thing Tarantino loves to weave into his work, and if we’re on the money here, it’d likely come in the form of a passing reference.

I'm surprised that this had never occurred to me as being a possibility.  It makes complete sense.  IMDB has Kurt Russell's character listed as Randy, so I'm assuming that this is Stuntman Mike's Father or Uncle.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2019, 05:57:19 AM »
I think, as a purveyor of pure, crazy, crowd-pleasing entertainment, Tarantino is without peer in this modern Hollywood business we call show. Flaws and all, he's a tremendous filmmaker, it's always quite exciting whenever a new QT epic rolls around.

Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2019, 07:40:09 AM »
Often his films end up being nothing like you expect them to either. Before anyone saw Inglorious Bastards, everyone thought it would mainly be about Brad Pitt and his gang going around scalping Nazis but that is almost incidental in the final film.

Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2019, 08:52:02 AM »
Quentin Tarantino is ace and if you don't like his films (all of them) then you are thick.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2019, 09:05:47 AM »
Quentin Tarantino is thick and if you don't like his films (all of them) then you are ace

Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2019, 09:18:47 AM »
Quentin Tarantino is thick and if you don't like his films (all of them) then you are ace


NO!!!!!!

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2019, 09:19:18 AM »
I have heard the Manson stuff is only on the periphery of the story

Like a fun little fascinator on a sausage roll

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #68 on: May 24, 2019, 09:33:36 AM »
Quentin Tarantino is ace and if you don't like his films (all of them) then you are thick.

No, it means you've seen most or all of the (typically much better) films he's plagiarised.

Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #69 on: May 24, 2019, 09:43:15 AM »
Nah all those films are boring.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2019, 09:44:54 AM »
Nah all those films are boring.

YOU'RE boring.

They're ALL boring by the time...

Grave boring.

Legend Boring.

Boring Gary.


etc.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2019, 11:29:07 AM »
Nah all those films are boring.

You've seen them all, have you?

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« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2019, 11:30:24 AM »
Without exception.

Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2019, 12:03:22 PM »
Has Tarantino been accused of mass plagiarism since Kill Bill? I thought with IB, DU and THE he has developed his own style a lot more.

Anyway, no-one has mentioned the most important thing about this film. It is the first Tarantino joint to not have a two word title (not including "The" at the beginning)

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2019, 12:36:29 PM »
DU and THE

I guess you've never seen any Django films or Cutthroats Nine...

In fact Django Unchained is, probably, the most plagiarific film of his career and goes well beyond the myriad of Django films.  I don't even know where to begin with it.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #75 on: May 24, 2019, 12:38:38 PM »
No, it means you've seen most or all of the (typically much better) films he's plagiarised.

I watch a ton of Pink films, chambara, blaxploitation, ozploitation, even nunsploitation, and I'm alright with Tarantino. 

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #76 on: May 24, 2019, 12:42:12 PM »
I watch a ton of Pink films, chambara, blaxploitation, ozploitation, even nunsploitation, and I'm alright with Tarantino.

As is your right.  But there are plenty of us who aren't.  I mean he lifted entire sequences and dialogue wholesale from the 36th Chamber and a few other Gordon Liu films in Kill Bill.  Not even homage, but straight copy-and-paste.



I'll end it here cos I appreciate this thread is about a specific film I've not seen yet, so it would be remiss of me to comment further.


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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #77 on: May 24, 2019, 12:56:03 PM »
As is your right.  But there are plenty of us who aren't.  I mean he lifted entire sequences and dialogue wholesale from the 36th Chamber and a few other Gordon Liu films in Kill Bill.  Not even homage, but straight copy-and-paste.

I do sometimes notice the lifts (although probably not as much as you, as I'm a bittuva sieve-for-brains), but my rationale is that he's operating in an imaginary endless '70s where if some Italians can call their movie a sequel to Dawn of the Dead just because, he can play it equally fast and loose.  The tone is different enough, I reckon, and he does usually weave all the half-inches into a nice, solid cinematic piece, which isn't to be scoffed at when The Cinema's starting to look increasingly quaint.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #78 on: May 24, 2019, 01:08:51 PM »
Just saw this on the BBC home page. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-48384763/quentin-tarantino-rejects-hypothesis-on-margot-robbie

It's funny, when the gripe is about how little Margot says in the movie, how a gammony Tarantino silently scowling and squirming for one and a half minutes says more than he ever could (and considering who we're talking about, that's quite a feat).  Kind of a hubristic nob, in't he?

Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2019, 01:21:55 PM »
Just saw this on the BBC home page. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-48384763/quentin-tarantino-rejects-hypothesis-on-margot-robbie

It's funny, when the gripe is about how little Margot says in the movie, how a gammony Tarantino silently scowling and squirming for one and a half minutes says more than he ever could (and considering who we're talking about, that's quite a feat).  Kind of a hubristic nob, in't he?

The hypothesis is bizarre. Who says acting is all about dialogue? Is it a gross misuse of an actor not to give them lots of lines? (Could be in the case of this film, but the questioner didn't exactly make this idea clear.)

And why ask that question there with Robbie right next to him, while she's promoting the movie? Even if Robbie agreed it's hardly the right moment to ask her to open up and condemn it, sitting right next to the director during the first Q&A. It could not have ended well for Robbie.

Besides, if you're going to attack a director for not writing good female roles I don't think Quentin is the right target.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #80 on: May 24, 2019, 01:31:50 PM »
QT criticised for not giving an actor enough dialogue...

Fucking hell, I mean I know I'm not his biggest fan, and he is objectively a regular cunt in interviews, but that reporter deserves sacking.  Jesus christ.

Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #81 on: May 24, 2019, 04:06:11 PM »
DiCaprio looks horrendous in the trailer, but then again he always is and people still praise him.

Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #82 on: May 24, 2019, 07:50:39 PM »
The Guardian had to change the title of their video of the interview, which originally claimed that Tarantino was "lashing out" at the reporter.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2019, 08:49:21 PM »
QT criticised for not giving an actor enough dialogue...

Fucking hell, I mean I know I'm not his biggest fan, and he is objectively a regular cunt in interviews, but that reporter deserves sacking.  Jesus christ.

More inane identity politics-infused shite reporting. Maybe her role isn't that vital to the whole thing? Maybe it's okay to have a film with mostly blokes talking?

It's like rating a Pollock painting by how many different colours of paint he used, and in what quantities. Maybe it's the finished work as a whole that matters, not the relative proportions of its various elements?

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« Reply #84 on: May 24, 2019, 09:02:10 PM »
More inane identity politics-infused shite reporting. Maybe her role isn't that vital to the whole thing? Maybe it's okay to have a film with mostly blokes talking?

No, she is a woman and therefore SHE NEEDS MORE LINES OF DIALOGUE, YOU EVIL SEXIST MAN!!!

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #85 on: May 24, 2019, 11:21:35 PM »
I hope they feature the porno starring Yul Brynner and Peter Sellers that was filmed at Polanski's house.

Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #86 on: May 25, 2019, 12:03:04 AM »
Just wanted to let you know, I found out about the last act of the film the other day (unless the source I got it from is mistaken, which is unlikely), and it's one of those rare occasions that a spoiled ending makes me want to see the film way more. It's gonna be BONKERS.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #87 on: May 25, 2019, 12:07:43 AM »
EDIT: Never mind.

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« Reply #88 on: May 25, 2019, 12:08:27 AM »
Ummmm... no comment.

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Re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
« Reply #89 on: May 25, 2019, 12:10:05 AM »
Shit. I’ll delete that then.