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Tory leadership contest?

Started by Fambo Number Mive, March 27, 2019, 12:00:43 PM

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Who do you think will be the next PM? (assuming there is no General Election)

Johnson
24 (12.7%)
Javid
7 (3.7%)
HA HA CUNT
18 (9.5%)
Raab
4 (2.1%)
Rudd
4 (2.1%)
Rees Mogg
5 (2.6%)
Leadsom
4 (2.1%)
May in disguise
16 (8.5%)
Cameron
3 (1.6%)
Fabricant
2 (1.1%)
Another horrible person
43 (22.8%)
Gove
10 (5.3%)
Mourinho
13 (6.9%)
Yamaha
2 (1.1%)
Guffdenim
1 (0.5%)
Liddington
2 (1.1%)
Totnes
1 (0.5%)
Honey I Bummed The Kids
13 (6.9%)
Rudd Gullit
1 (0.5%)
LOLRANDOM
3 (1.6%)
Raoul Moat
5 (2.6%)
Fred West
3 (1.6%)
Worzel FUCKING Gummidge
5 (2.6%)
Lay Gentleman
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 188

The Culture Bunker

Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 12, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
As long as enough people think like this person Johnson will do well: https://twitter.com/cdj8382/status/1138796142743961600

"So? He's not applying for Mastermind"
Sadly, I've heard lots of stuff like that, along with "Boris as PM? It'll be a laugh!" or "he'll wind the lefties up". Same sort of thinking that got Trump his current gig.

Fambo Number Mive

Quote from: olliebean on June 12, 2019, 01:57:42 PM
I don't know if I've misunderstood, but I thought they needed at least 8 supporting them just to get into the first round of voting? So does that mean Stewart, McVey and Leadsom won't be on the ballot?

Murdoch News have updated this:

QuoteBoris Johnson - 83
Jeremy Hunt - 33
Michael Gove - 31
Dominic Raab - 22
Sajid Javid - 19
Matt Hancock - 16
Mark Harper - 8
Rory Stewart - 7
Esther McVey - 6
Andrea Leadsom - 5

Howj Begg

I don't think Trumpism will fly in Britain, at all. Boris is going to get fucked up on the regular in the commons, and the public will be turned off by his overt vulgarity (as opposed to the covert behaviour of May etc). By vulgarity I mean racism, sexism and bellicose stupidity, btw, not just being "a bit different".

I mean this feller for example

Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 12, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
As long as enough people think like this person Johnson will do well: https://twitter.com/cdj8382/status/1138796142743961600

"So? He's not applying for Mastermind"

you've basically found Legend Gary there, look at his other tweets. Obviously he's going to love Boris.

Fambo Number Mive

There are thousands, if not millions of Legend Garys and the female equivalent in the UK though. And I imagine a large percentage of the Tory Party are either Legend Garys or are keen to win their vote.

Cuellar

Call me a cynic but I don't think that person is real.

Kelvin

Quote from: Howj Begg on June 12, 2019, 01:27:31 PM
Bring Boris on, I say. I'm not afraid of the lying, shambolic, self-contradicting cunt at all. He will be meat to Labour.

I also agree with this. In the age of Trump being an international punchline, Boris' bumbling facade will be harder to excuse or justify for 'sensible' centrists.

I actually think there's far more risk from someone like Hunt, who isn't as loathsome as Gove, as compromised as Boris, or as easy to parody as little Rory the Tory. Simply being a cunt isn't enough to harm these people. The have to appear obviously, transparently useless as well.

jamiefairlie

Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on June 12, 2019, 03:18:31 PM
There are thousands, if not millions of Legend Garys and the female equivalent in the UK though. And I imagine a large percentage of the Tory Party are either Legend Garys or are keen to win their vote.

Agreed. It's foolhardy in the extreme to rely on the wisdom of the crowd to not be impressed by grandstanding buffoons.

pancreas

Hunt is a concern. But he did write that book on privatising the NHS.

The Culture Bunker

Quote from: jamiefairlie on June 12, 2019, 03:21:58 PM
Agreed. It's foolhardy in the extreme to rely on the wisdom of the crowd to not be impressed by grandstanding buffoons.
I'm very fearful of the masses just accepting it wholesale when he puts on the posh buffoon act.

"Mr Johnson, footage has emerged of you snorting cocaine from the buttocks of an underaged prostitute. Will this harm your leadership campaign?"
"Gosh. Well, a chap makes mistakes. But I am bloody sorry now, and I think that we can all agree that the follies of youth must not define the man, or <insert obscure Latin phrase>."

Howj Begg

Oh, we should not be complacent at all, Boris is a dangerous fascist with a lot of support. But I think he will be just as much a liability, and he will not be able to attract the centrist vote, as Kelvin has just mentioned. A Labour-led coalition is still odds on in a GE.

Hemulen

Quote from: olliebean on June 12, 2019, 01:57:42 PM
I don't know if I've misunderstood, but I thought they needed at least 8 supporting them just to get into the first round of voting? So does that mean Stewart, McVey and Leadsom won't be on the ballot?

Could be a case of MPs formally seconding their nomination in order to "widen the field" without actually intending to publicly support them during the campaign? I'm pretty sure similar arrangements were made when Corbyn first stood for Labour leader.

Quote from: jamiefairlie on June 12, 2019, 03:21:58 PM
Agreed. It's foolhardy in the extreme to rely on the wisdom of the crowd to not be impressed by grandstanding buffoons.

Indeed. The Brexit vote is a case in point. All he has to do is appeal to the heart rather than the head and they fucking lap it up.

This morning he was talking about how it's shameful there's no metro in Leeds. He talks about investing in communities and infrastructure, but he's really just about flashy marquee projects that generate headlines and short-term goodwill before the budgets spiral out of control and it dawns on everyone they didn't actually need a cable car or a garden bridge.

He's Lyle Lanley made flesh, but ripping off the same marks over and over again.

olliebean

Quote% of the public who don't know enough about [X] to offer an opinion about them:

Johnson: 11%
Gove: 22%
Hunt: 24%
Javid: 31%
Leadsom: 40%
Raab: 44%
McVey: 46%
Stewart: 60%
Hancock: 64%
Malthouse: 74%
Harper: 75%

Those figures seem dodgy to me. Frankly I'd be astounded if as many as 25% of people know enough about Mark Harper to offer any sort of opinion about him beyond "He's a Tory, so he's probably a cunt." On the other hand, I don't know how it's possible not to have an opinion about Boris Johnson unless you've been living under a rock.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Howj Begg on June 12, 2019, 03:31:04 PM
Oh, we should not be complacent at all, Boris is a dangerous fascist with a lot of support. But I think he will be just as much a liability, and he will not be able to attract the centrist vote, as Kelvin has just mentioned. A Labour-led coalition is still odds on in a GE.


I don't know about odds-on, but currently the most likely result, if not a very satisfactory one as they will need the support of the SNP and Lib Dems and all the conditions that entails.

idunnosomename

Quote from: Huxleys Babkins on June 12, 2019, 10:02:33 AM
Did you think the way Boris Johnson handled the Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe case was anything less than brilliant? Lizz Trusss thinks you're an Iran sympathiser...
i howled with laughter when i heard that this morning because she tried to say "Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe" but basically immediately realised she had no idea how to say it and gave up

she is incredibly fucking stupid and an utter liability to herself, others, and the entire system of government

Howj Begg

Quote from: biggytitbo on June 12, 2019, 03:57:19 PM

I don't know about odds-on, but currently the most likely result, if not a very satisfactory one as they will need the support of the SNP and Lib Dems and all the conditions that entails.

You keep saying this.

What you pretend you mean by this = enacting socialist policies
What you actually mean by this = Stopping Brexit


I'm fine with it.


Besides coalition government is the way forward in a multi-party parliament.

biggytitbo

Johnson offered no details on how exactly he would lead us out on the 31st, and wasn't even questioned about it. He's got zero chance of renegotiating the withdrawal agreement if parliament make it clear they will do anything they can to stop no deal and only a miniscule chance if he does still have it as a bargaining chip. It's amazing that they're all going through the same May-groundhog day. And it will have the same ending.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Howj Begg on June 12, 2019, 04:10:49 PM
You keep saying this.

What you pretend you mean by this = enacting socialist policies
What you actually mean by this = Stopping Brexit

I'm fine with it.


Brexit is a socialist policy - the EU is the antithesis of socialism.


But that aside, Corbyn's labour, surrounded by enemies on his own side and restrained by the yellow tories is going to be the biggest wasted opportunity in modern history.

Jerzy Bondov

Quote from: Howj Begg on June 12, 2019, 04:10:49 PM
Besides coalition government is the way forward in a multi-party parliament.
Doesn't this mean that you always have a 'centrist' party with no values like the Lib Dems in government along with whoever on the left or right is riding high? I don't like the idea and would rather have a full fat left wing government, but maybe that's just not possible in this generally right wing country. Don't really know how it works in countries where coalitions are the norm.

rjd2

Quote from: Kelvin on June 12, 2019, 03:21:25 PM
I also agree with this. In the age of Trump being an international punchline, Boris' bumbling facade will be harder to excuse or justify for 'sensible' centrists.

I actually think there's far more risk from someone like Hunt, who isn't as loathsome as Gove, as compromised as Boris, or as easy to parody as little Rory the Tory. Simply being a cunt isn't enough to harm these people. The have to appear obviously, transparently useless as well.


Disagree. Boris is a farce, but he is sensible enough to surround himself with competent Tories who will do the heavy lifting for him. Someone like Hunt would be Corbyn's ideal opponent. He is a stale face with nowhere the amount of charisma that Boris has. Farage will have a field day with Hunt also....

"another Maybot,,,remainer...betrayal etc"

Stewart who knows? He is probably the less awful of all options, but while I think they are stuck in the 19th century,,I can understand the annoyance of the older members of the party who may feel he is a media creation. For them its very much like reading how Chuka or Cooper are what the party should be from a lefty POV.

jobotic

Quote from: biggytitbo on June 12, 2019, 04:14:09 PM

Brexit is a socialist policy

That from day one has been financed by and agitated for by the very right wing. What a funny old business!

Howj Begg

It's balls so there's no need to even address it. I did a swift eye-roll and got back to work.

Fambo Number Mive

The Scum have created a video of LOLBORIS's "jokes" for their 1.49 million Twitter followers

biggytitbo

Quote from: jobotic on June 12, 2019, 04:46:27 PM
That from day one has been financed by and agitated for by the very right wing. What a funny old business!


Your side literally is, never mind financed by, the global political and economic system responsible for neoliberal capitalism, inequality and perpetual war, you silly man.


What was Labour's policy on the EU the last time they were a properly socialist party?








biggytitbo

Sajid Javid has done a good job portraying himself as a humble down to earth fella when he is actually a multimillionaire who earnt his fortune trading the worthless garbage financial derivities that precipitated the worst recession in history.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: biggytitbo on June 12, 2019, 05:15:51 PM
Sajid Javid has done a good job portraying himself as a humble down to earth fella when he is actually a multimillionaire who earnt his fortune trading the worthless garbage financial derivities that precipitated the worst recession in history.

Doesn't matter anymore. ALL HAIL THE CRIMINAL SCUM

greenman

Quote from: Howj Begg on June 12, 2019, 03:14:44 PM
I don't think Trumpism will fly in Britain, at all. Boris is going to get fucked up on the regular in the commons, and the public will be turned off by his overt vulgarity (as opposed to the covert behaviour of May etc). By vulgarity I mean racism, sexism and bellicose stupidity, btw, not just being "a bit different".

I could potentially see Johnsons plan to be to go for an early election but try to fight it outside of the normal fashion, go for a handful of very controlled media appearances and hope Brexit alone is enough of an issue, does seem rather too similar to May in 2017 though.

Fambo Number Mive

QuoteAndrew Bridgen tells Guido that he has asked the whips to remove the whip from Tories who voted against the Government with Labour's motion. This would mean they would not be able to vote in tomorrow's leadership ballot

Lucy Allen MP tweets in reply "Quite right"


Quote from: biggytitbo on June 12, 2019, 05:01:20 PM

Your side literally is, never mind financed by, the global political and economic system responsible for neoliberal capitalism, inequality and perpetual war, you silly man.


What was Labour's policy on the EU the last time they were a properly socialist party?

And what was their policy on revenge porn whilst we're at it? Seeing as you're arbitrarily using 40 year old policies as the de facto standard by which we should judge all socialists.

Quote from: greenman on June 12, 2019, 05:26:29 PM
I could potentially see Johnsons plan to be to go for an early election but try to fight it outside of the normal fashion, go for a handful of very controlled media appearances and hope Brexit alone is enough of an issue, does seem rather too similar to May in 2017 though.

Johnson on the crest of a wave may or may not return a majority, but it would take the wind out of Farage's sails, probably finish off Corbyn's leadership and buy the Tories another five years.

So what is the story with Bannon then, is he actively advising him at present? It really is a cuntfest this of galactic proportions.