Tory leadership contest?

[jobotic]

Your side literally is, never mind financed by, the global political and economic system responsible for neoliberal capitalism, inequality and perpetual war, you silly man.


What was Labour's policy on the EU the last time they were a properly socialist party?

Not joining something isn't the same as leaving something you are part of. Different consequences. You silly man.

[biggytitbo]

8 labour MPs voted to keep No Deal on the table, and 15 abstained. Bodes well for defeating a 2nd referendum.

I could potentially see Johnsons plan to be to go for an early election but try to fight it outside of the normal fashion, go for a handful of very controlled media appearances and hope Brexit alone is enough of an issue, does seem rather too similar to May in 2017 though.

This defeat today probably reduces the chances of that a bit. With parliament voting against any possible form of brexit, he would be left with no option but to go for an anti-parliament, 'help me deliver brexit' general election, which he could conceivably win on a low 30s share of the vote due to how fragmented the vote has become.


But with no deal now effectively impossible to stop (with May's deal dead, there is no government legislation left to amend), he can go back to plan A which is to use the threat of it as leverage to get the EU to change their mind. Almost certainly won't work and Johnson will have to back down in October - career ruined, but it won't stop him trying that futile retread of what May tried and failed to do.

[biggytitbo]

Not joining something isn't the same as leaving something you are part of. Different consequences. You silly man.

Heath took us into the EU/EEC in 1973, you silly man. Michael Foot stood in 1983 on a policy of us leaving the EU.

[mothman]

How did that work out for him?

[jobotic]

Heath took us into the EU/EEC in 1973, you silly man. Michael Foot stood in 1983 on a policy of us leaving the EU.

Was Heath not Labour then? Was Michael Foot called that because he was he was one foot tall? I wish I knew as much as you.

[Fambo Number Mive]

The Conservative leadership hopeful Esther McVey has spent thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money claiming for a personal photographer on expenses.

The MP has submitted claims worth £8,750 for the services of the photographer and PR man Jonathan Farber in just two years, according to an analysis of data held by the expenses watchdog. McVey – whose website is adorned with photographs of herself – hired Farber, an ex-Tory councillor in her constituency in Cheshire.

One receipt obtained using freedom of information laws from May 2018 shows that Farber invoiced McVey £750 for five hours' work for two shoots including "edits, image processing and travel time"...Although some other MPs have claimed for professional photography, most have done so for significantly smaller amounts than the sums McVey has disbursed...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/12/esther-mcvey-expensed-thousands-of-pounds-for-personal-photographer

[BlodwynPig]

Jail time?

[Fambo Number Mive]

McVey hasn't done anything illegal.

[BlodwynPig]

McVey hasn't done anything illegal.

Not in the eyes of the law

[Mark Steels Stockbroker]

The 2 people squabbling on this page are both wrong. Ignore them.

[Paul Calf]

8 labour MPs voted to keep No Deal on the table, and 15 abstained. Bodes well for defeating a 2nd referendum.



This defeat today probably reduces the chances of that a bit. With parliament voting against any possible form of brexit, he would be left with no option but to go for an anti-parliament, 'help me deliver brexit' general election, which he could conceivably win on a low 30s share of the vote due to how fragmented the vote has become.


But with no deal now effectively impossible to stop (with May's deal dead, there is no government legislation left to amend), he can go back to plan A which is to use the threat of it as leverage to get the EU to change their mind. Almost certainly won't work and Johnson will have to back down in October - career ruined, but it won't stop him trying that futile retread of what May tried and failed to do.

Do you think Johnson gives one single fuck about democracy when it gets in the way of his ambition?

[Fambo Number Mive]

First round vote to be announced sometime this afternoon.

[holyzombiejesus]

What's the process? Are they whittled down one by one or several at a time?

[Zetetic]

Wipeout less than 16 votes

Wipeout less than 32 votes.

And then delete the one with the least.

Repeat the last step.

(IIRC.)

[Paul Calf]

That doesn't sound like a complete fucking waste of a Brexit extension at all.

[Paul Calf]

8 labour MPs voted to keep No Deal on the table, and 15 abstained. Bodes well for defeating a 2nd referendum.



This defeat today probably reduces the chances of that a bit. With parliament voting against any possible form of brexit, he would be left with no option but to go for an anti-parliament, 'help me deliver brexit' general election, which he could conceivably win on a low 30s share of the vote due to how fragmented the vote has become.


But with no deal now effectively impossible to stop (with May's deal dead, there is no government legislation left to amend), he can go back to plan A which is to use the threat of it as leverage to get the EU to change their mind. Almost certainly won't work and Johnson will have to back down in October - career ruined, but it won't stop him trying that futile retread of what May tried and failed to do.

Imagine banging on about sovereignty and democracy for three solid years then coming out with that.

[Darles Chickens]

That doesn't sound like a complete fucking waste of a Brexit extension at all.

I don't understand why they can't just put all the names in a hat, and invite Gyles Brandreth to come along and pick one out.

[Danger Man]

Wipeout less than 16 votes

They need 17 votes today or they are out.

[Zetetic]

Ah, yes. Was that deliberate or because they made a pig's ear of the wording?

[jobotic]

I don't understand why they can't just put all the names in a hat, and invite Gyles Brandreth to come along and pick one out.

They're tories. They value people by how rich they are, therefore the wealthiest candidate is the best. Who's richest?

[Danger Man]

Ah, yes. Was that deliberate or because they made a pig's ear of the wording?

They make pigs ears out of everything.

[Fambo Number Mive]

Hoey now tweeting in support of Johnson: https://twitter.com/KateHoeyMP/status/1138401509467656193

[Danger Man]

They're tories. They value people by how rich they are, therefore the wealthiest candidate is the best. Who's richest?

Depends if you are going for income or wealth. Until recently it would have been Geoffry Cox as he continued to work as a barrister as well as being an MP. Cash in the bank? God knows.

[Fambo Number Mive]

NEW: ex-Southampton player Dean Radford who says he was sexually abused as a boy by his coach tells me he wants an apology from Tory leadership frontrunner @BorisJohnson after he said £ spent on historical sex abuse investigations was like money 'spaffed up a wall'. 10am BBC 2

https://twitter.com/vicderbyshire/status/1139094067214802944

Interesting to see the tweet replying to this as well.

[The Culture Bunker]

https://twitter.com/vicderbyshire/status/1139094067214802944

Interesting to see the tweet replying to this as well.

More "left wing crap", apparently.

[Huxleys Babkins]

Ignoring the obvious bot reply, this one is rather more telling:

https://twitter.com/michaelrigby11/status/1139098770732224512

I am sorry for these poor guys, but the bloody police messed this whole thing up, that is what Johnson is complaining about.
The BBC HATES Johnson, and is trying to destroy him, you are supposed to be impartial, but you are a bloody disgrace.
Your obsession with sex is appalling

[Buelligan]

Luckily for you, caller, Boris Johnson lives like a nun.

[Howj Begg]

[imitationleather]

The news at the moment has even more of a dystopian nightmare vibe than usual.

[Paul Calf]

The Mail and The Express both have headlines starting with the word VICTORY.

They're not going to be happy until it's gone full-fash, are they?