Poll

Who do you think will be the next PM? (assuming there is no General Election)

Johnson
22 (12.9%)
Javid
7 (4.1%)
HA HA CUNT
15 (8.8%)
Raab
4 (2.3%)
Rudd
4 (2.3%)
Rees Mogg
5 (2.9%)
Leadsom
4 (2.3%)
May in disguise
16 (9.4%)
Cameron
3 (1.8%)
Fabricant
2 (1.2%)
Another horrible person
41 (24%)
Gove
10 (5.8%)
Mourinho
13 (7.6%)
Yamaha
2 (1.2%)
Guffdenim
1 (0.6%)
Liddington
2 (1.2%)
Totnes
1 (0.6%)
Honey I Bummed The Kids
13 (7.6%)
Rudd Gullit
0 (0%)
LOLRANDOM
1 (0.6%)
Raoul Moat
3 (1.8%)
Fred West
2 (1.2%)
Worzel FUCKING Gummidge
0 (0%)
Lay Gentleman
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 170

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #780 on: June 12, 2019, 06:11:00 PM »

Your side literally is, never mind financed by, the global political and economic system responsible for neoliberal capitalism, inequality and perpetual war, you silly man.


What was Labour's policy on the EU the last time they were a properly socialist party?

Not joining something isn't the same as leaving something you are part of. Different consequences. You silly man.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #781 on: June 12, 2019, 06:19:59 PM »
8 labour MPs voted to keep No Deal on the table, and 15 abstained. Bodes well for defeating a 2nd referendum.


I could potentially see Johnsons plan to be to go for an early election but try to fight it outside of the normal fashion, go for a handful of very controlled media appearances and hope Brexit alone is enough of an issue, does seem rather too similar to May in 2017 though.


This defeat today probably reduces the chances of that a bit. With parliament voting against any possible form of brexit, he would be left with no option but to go for an anti-parliament, 'help me deliver brexit' general election, which he could conceivably win on a low 30s share of the vote due to how fragmented the vote has become.


But with no deal now effectively impossible to stop (with May's deal dead, there is no government legislation left to amend), he can go back to plan A which is to use the threat of it as leverage to get the EU to change their mind. Almost certainly won't work and Johnson will have to back down in October - career ruined, but it won't stop him trying that futile retread of what May tried and failed to do.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #782 on: June 12, 2019, 06:21:46 PM »
Not joining something isn't the same as leaving something you are part of. Different consequences. You silly man.


Heath took us into the EU/EEC in 1973, you silly man. Michael Foot stood in 1983 on a policy of us leaving the EU.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #783 on: June 12, 2019, 06:36:02 PM »
How did that work out for him?

Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #784 on: June 12, 2019, 06:50:59 PM »

Heath took us into the EU/EEC in 1973, you silly man. Michael Foot stood in 1983 on a policy of us leaving the EU.

Was Heath not Labour then? Was Michael Foot called that because he was he was one foot tall? I wish I knew as much as you.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #785 on: June 12, 2019, 09:32:08 PM »
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The Conservative leadership hopeful Esther McVey has spent thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money claiming for a personal photographer on expenses.

The MP has submitted claims worth £8,750 for the services of the photographer and PR man Jonathan Farber in just two years, according to an analysis of data held by the expenses watchdog. McVey – whose website is adorned with photographs of herself – hired Farber, an ex-Tory councillor in her constituency in Cheshire.

One receipt obtained using freedom of information laws from May 2018 shows that Farber invoiced McVey £750 for five hours’ work for two shoots including “edits, image processing and travel time”...Although some other MPs have claimed for professional photography, most have done so for significantly smaller amounts than the sums McVey has disbursed...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/12/esther-mcvey-expensed-thousands-of-pounds-for-personal-photographer

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #786 on: June 12, 2019, 10:15:41 PM »
Jail time?

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #787 on: June 12, 2019, 10:24:05 PM »
McVey hasn't done anything illegal.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #788 on: June 12, 2019, 10:27:04 PM »
McVey hasn't done anything illegal.

Not in the eyes of the law

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #789 on: June 12, 2019, 10:46:53 PM »
The 2 people squabbling on this page are both wrong. Ignore them.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #790 on: June 12, 2019, 11:16:42 PM »
8 labour MPs voted to keep No Deal on the table, and 15 abstained. Bodes well for defeating a 2nd referendum.



This defeat today probably reduces the chances of that a bit. With parliament voting against any possible form of brexit, he would be left with no option but to go for an anti-parliament, 'help me deliver brexit' general election, which he could conceivably win on a low 30s share of the vote due to how fragmented the vote has become.


But with no deal now effectively impossible to stop (with May's deal dead, there is no government legislation left to amend), he can go back to plan A which is to use the threat of it as leverage to get the EU to change their mind. Almost certainly won't work and Johnson will have to back down in October - career ruined, but it won't stop him trying that futile retread of what May tried and failed to do.

Do you think Johnson gives one single fuck about democracy when it gets in the way of his ambition?

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #791 on: June 13, 2019, 08:03:55 AM »
First round vote to be announced sometime this afternoon.

Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #792 on: June 13, 2019, 09:12:18 AM »
What's the process? Are they whittled down one by one or several at a time?

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #793 on: June 13, 2019, 09:15:00 AM »
Wipeout less than 16 votes

Wipeout less than 32 votes.

And then delete the one with the least.

Repeat the last step.

(IIRC.)

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #794 on: June 13, 2019, 09:17:48 AM »
That doesn't sound like a complete fucking waste of a Brexit extension at all.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #795 on: June 13, 2019, 09:29:28 AM »
8 labour MPs voted to keep No Deal on the table, and 15 abstained. Bodes well for defeating a 2nd referendum.



This defeat today probably reduces the chances of that a bit. With parliament voting against any possible form of brexit, he would be left with no option but to go for an anti-parliament, 'help me deliver brexit' general election, which he could conceivably win on a low 30s share of the vote due to how fragmented the vote has become.


But with no deal now effectively impossible to stop (with May's deal dead, there is no government legislation left to amend), he can go back to plan A which is to use the threat of it as leverage to get the EU to change their mind. Almost certainly won't work and Johnson will have to back down in October - career ruined, but it won't stop him trying that futile retread of what May tried and failed to do.

Imagine banging on about sovereignty and democracy for three solid years then coming out with that.

Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #796 on: June 13, 2019, 09:35:06 AM »
That doesn't sound like a complete fucking waste of a Brexit extension at all.

I don't understand why they can't just put all the names in a hat, and invite Gyles Brandreth to come along and pick one out.

Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #797 on: June 13, 2019, 09:37:13 AM »
Wipeout less than 16 votes

They need 17 votes today or they are out.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #798 on: June 13, 2019, 09:38:43 AM »
Ah, yes. Was that deliberate or because they made a pig's ear of the wording?

Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #799 on: June 13, 2019, 09:40:49 AM »
I don't understand why they can't just put all the names in a hat, and invite Gyles Brandreth to come along and pick one out.

They're tories. They value people by how rich they are, therefore the wealthiest candidate is the best. Who's richest?

Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #800 on: June 13, 2019, 09:41:43 AM »
Ah, yes. Was that deliberate or because they made a pig's ear of the wording?

They make pigs ears out of everything.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #801 on: June 13, 2019, 09:44:52 AM »
Hoey now tweeting in support of Johnson: https://twitter.com/KateHoeyMP/status/1138401509467656193

Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #802 on: June 13, 2019, 09:56:41 AM »
They're tories. They value people by how rich they are, therefore the wealthiest candidate is the best. Who's richest?

Depends if you are going for income or wealth. Until recently it would have been Geoffry Cox as he continued to work as a barrister as well as being an MP. Cash in the bank? God knows.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #803 on: June 13, 2019, 09:59:39 AM »
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NEW: ex-Southampton player Dean Radford who says he was sexually abused as a boy by his coach tells me he wants an apology from Tory leadership frontrunner @BorisJohnson after he said £ spent on historical sex abuse investigations was like money ‘spaffed up a wall’. 10am BBC 2
https://twitter.com/vicderbyshire/status/1139094067214802944

Interesting to see the tweet replying to this as well.

Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #804 on: June 13, 2019, 10:04:31 AM »
https://twitter.com/vicderbyshire/status/1139094067214802944

Interesting to see the tweet replying to this as well.
More "left wing crap", apparently.

Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #805 on: June 13, 2019, 10:20:47 AM »
Ignoring the obvious bot reply, this one is rather more telling:

https://twitter.com/michaelrigby11/status/1139098770732224512

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I am sorry for these poor guys, but the bloody police messed this whole thing up, that is what Johnson is complaining about.
The BBC HATES Johnson, and is trying to destroy him, you are supposed to be impartial, but you are a bloody disgrace.
Your obsession with sex is appalling

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #806 on: June 13, 2019, 10:25:02 AM »
Luckily for you, caller, Boris Johnson lives like a nun.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #807 on: June 13, 2019, 10:28:58 AM »

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #808 on: June 13, 2019, 10:33:15 AM »
The news at the moment has even more of a dystopian nightmare vibe than usual.

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Re: Tory leadership contest?
« Reply #809 on: June 13, 2019, 10:49:14 AM »
The Mail and The Express both have headlines starting with the word VICTORY.

They're not going to be happy until it's gone full-fash, are they?