Author Topic: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread  (Read 27477 times)

BlodwynPig

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #90 on: March 29, 2019, 01:21:02 PM »
And alongside the complete rejection of any sort of principle.

Is this really about sovereignty? Then any form of Brexit other than no-deal leaves us de jure worse off than we were before. (And any form whatosever probably leaves us de facto worse off.)

Do individual rights matter in the slightest? However soft you make your Brexit in the service of industry (which, yes, is the pragmatic thing to do for the sake of many people's well-being), you're still withdrawing rights from millions of citizens (while maintaining privileges for capital).

Precisely. Oddly, your words have given great comfort. I don't think people will tolerate this much longer.

Captain Z

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #91 on: March 29, 2019, 01:30:46 PM »
I think whatever this thing they're voting on today is it will pass, through a combination of enough ERGs with their own agendas and enough Labour MPs who will shit it at the thought of betraying their constituency. It will make the actual MV3, whatever or whenever that is, a formality. Theresa will be lauded for being victorious, the 'bloody difficult woman' finally winning through, will dither over standing down saying it wouldn't be appropriate until a replacement is ready, and will face several calls to continue.

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #92 on: March 29, 2019, 01:36:09 PM »
Labour MP Jim Fitzpatrick, whoever he is, will vote for May's deal. Arse.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #93 on: March 29, 2019, 01:36:24 PM »
I think whatever this thing they're voting on today is it will pass, through a combination of enough ERGs with their own agendas and enough Labour MPs who will shit it at the thought of betraying their constituency. It will make the actual MV3, whatever or whenever that is, a formality. Theresa will be lauded for being victorious, the 'bloody difficult woman' finally winning through, will dither over standing down saying it wouldn't be appropriate until a replacement is ready, and will face several calls to continue.

You mean...worst case scenario. Thanks for ruining my breakfast croissant and grapefruit juice.

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #94 on: March 29, 2019, 01:37:26 PM »
Labour MP Jim Fitzpatrick, whoever he is, will vote for May's deal. Arse.

He was my MP when I lived in London. My aunt's fellah was one of his staff. Seemed alright as a local representative but by all accounts he's a massive anti-Corbyn type.

greencalx

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2019, 01:41:46 PM »
Is it better that a majority get something they can live with, or something that half the country really doesn't want?

There is no right answer to this question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency

greencalx

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2019, 01:42:39 PM »
Anyway, what time's the fucking vote?

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2019, 01:46:29 PM »
Anyway, what time's the fucking vote?

14:30, so results by three I'd imagine. My girlfriend'll be on a plane - I'm weirdly jealous, which is probably the first time anyone's ever felt that way about a journey to Portsmouth. We'll all be holidaying there soon though of course!

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2019, 02:00:19 PM »
Portsmouth has an airport?!

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #99 on: March 29, 2019, 02:21:01 PM »
Portsmouth has an airport?!

Nah, the flight's Glasgow to Southampton, then a train to Portsmouth - in a Play Your Cards Right-style journey through progressively higher-leave-voting areas. Sunderland for blue drink and chicken dippers on the way back no doubt.

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #100 on: March 29, 2019, 02:31:14 PM »
DIVISION! It's voting time motherfuckers!

Not my words, but the words of the speaker.

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #101 on: March 29, 2019, 02:31:59 PM »
OK, I may have misheard him saying "clear the lobby".

Alberon

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #102 on: March 29, 2019, 02:34:13 PM »
Rees-Mogg apparently walking hand in hand with Boris into the Aye lobby.

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #103 on: March 29, 2019, 02:37:00 PM »
Eek. Hold tight, ERG! For my reasons, not yours.

Alberon

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #104 on: March 29, 2019, 02:39:52 PM »
Labour and Tory sources saying the bill is rejected.

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #105 on: March 29, 2019, 02:40:33 PM »
I wouldn't expect anything less. Nowhere near enough Labour rebels, way too many Tory rebels.

Chollis

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #106 on: March 29, 2019, 02:40:54 PM »
Extra time and pens

greencalx

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #107 on: March 29, 2019, 02:43:27 PM »
Ayes 286. Noes 344.

Fuck!

Alberon

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #108 on: March 29, 2019, 02:44:39 PM »
58 majority. That should be enough to finally kill it.

What’s May going to do now?

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #109 on: March 29, 2019, 02:45:31 PM »
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May is up. "Matter of profound regret that once again we have been unable to support leaving the EU in an orderly manner. The implications are grave."

Exactly. GET IN.

Alberon

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #110 on: March 29, 2019, 02:47:41 PM »
Technically her resignation is now void, but can she survive the weekend now?

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #111 on: March 29, 2019, 02:48:11 PM »
Ayes 286. Noes 344.

Fuck!

One more push!

Same time next week?

greencalx

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #112 on: March 29, 2019, 02:51:40 PM »
One more push!

Same time next week?

Yeah, I'll have to look at the three majorities and extrapolate to when we might expect the agreement to pass.

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #113 on: March 29, 2019, 02:55:12 PM »
Technically her resignation is now void, but can she survive the weekend now?

Her "resignation" was so fucking vague, she might as well have just committed to another 10 years in the job.

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #114 on: March 29, 2019, 02:56:39 PM »
Lovely stuff. I hope we stay in this limbo forever. Floating in the void. Bliss.

Alberon

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #115 on: March 29, 2019, 03:00:18 PM »
The original plan was for May to deliver Brexit and leave taking the stink of it with her. Now she can’t even deliver the easiest first part of it.

The Tory MPs must be at the point where they have to remove her.

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #116 on: March 29, 2019, 03:10:11 PM »
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The exact timing and modalities of the [European Council] are still to be decided, but like last week, the UK PM can be expected to participate in the beginning of the meeting.

Fucking embarrassing.

Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #117 on: March 29, 2019, 03:11:39 PM »
58 majority. That should be enough to finally kill it.

What’s May going to do now?

#GETINGRAVEMEANSGETINGRAVE

BlodwynPig

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #118 on: March 29, 2019, 03:12:11 PM »
Reports of punches being thrown in the chamber. Security escorting several members out of the House. The mace was used in one particularly vicious assault

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Re: Brexit In Parliament Discussion Thread
« Reply #119 on: March 29, 2019, 03:14:09 PM »
Agreed

Grave Means Grave

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