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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1171 on: July 10, 2019, 11:14:23 AM »
Given that if The Thick of It had continued into this political era it'd probably be some lame shit about a Corbyn-type being all confused and insisting on watching everything on a Betamax I say that this real version of politics is a lot funnier and better crafted than anything Iannucci would have managed to write.

That's the problem with a lot of satire, it's made by comfortable people who would probably back Change UK/Independent Group/The Independents.

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1172 on: July 10, 2019, 11:37:46 AM »
Given that if The Thick of It had continued into this political era it'd probably be some lame shit about a Corbyn-type being all confused and insisting on watching everything on a Betamax I say that this real version of politics is a lot funnier and better crafted than anything Iannucci would have managed to write.

It seems a bit “on the nose” for Iannucci. A political party launching its 5th rebrand about integrity and transparency, on the same day they announce John Woodcock has signed up? Come on.

Edit: honourable mention for Fambo’s post

Interesting: https://twitter.com/marthasydenham/status/1148872389360541698
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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1173 on: July 10, 2019, 11:47:36 AM »
New band formed: https://twitter.com/IndTogether/status/1148738661296594945

With a new logo.

Values include "Holders of public office should be truthful and honest" and "There is work to be done to bring about a shift in politics"

Not a party but a "co-operative of independent politicians who can't take a hint."

FTFY.

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1174 on: July 10, 2019, 12:11:35 PM »
So this is the bunch that left the formally known as Change UK group?

It’s very hard to keep track of which bunch of nonentities are which.

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1176 on: July 10, 2019, 12:19:23 PM »
Handy graphic: https://twitter.com/georgeattherock/status/1148898839027441666

Wait, so they’re not the same as the original Chuka brigade? This is a spin-off?!

Absurd.

Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1177 on: July 10, 2019, 12:19:32 PM »
So there's two groups now?

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1178 on: July 10, 2019, 12:22:17 PM »
I suppose that’s some kind of growth.

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1179 on: July 10, 2019, 01:13:54 PM »
Remember all of these people are going to to prop up the Tories even though that means facilitating Brexit, all to avoid a general election and their across the board dismissal from office.

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1180 on: July 10, 2019, 03:34:27 PM »
They want to reduce the amount of choice the general public have at elections

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The movement, which Allen said was not a new political party, will conduct a seat-by-seat analysis and encourage the parties to step aside to support whichever has the best chance of winning. It hopes to form an alliance for between 150 and 180 seats across the country, though the Scottish National party has declined to take part.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/10/heidi-allen-launches-remain-alliance-oppose-brexit

And Shoulders' post above is also a good point, they won't support a general election as they would rather have no deal Brexit and Tories than Corbyn and Labour soft and workers Brexit.

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1181 on: July 10, 2019, 05:15:00 PM »
It's a classic example of the lengths they will go to to pretend there isn't a large political party capable of and willing to stop Brexit because it doesn't also fit with the diva demands of that party being a status quo neoliberal administration.

They can't stop Brexit without Labour. Decide what you favour now. Socialism and Remaining in the EU, or Neoliberalism and a hard Brexit you cannot stop simply by voting Lib Dem and tweeting 4000 times a day.

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1182 on: July 11, 2019, 08:22:40 AM »
David:  Well before that we were in different groups, I was in a group called The Creatures and w-which was a skiffle group.
Nigel:  I was in Lovely Lads.
David:  Yeah.
Nigel:  And then we looked at each other and says well we might as well join up you know and uh....
David:  So we became The Originals.
Nigel:  Right.
David:  And we had to change our name actually....
Nigel:  Well there was, there was another group in the east end called The Originals and we had to rename ourselves.
David:  The New Originals.
Nigel:  The New Originals and then, uh, they became....
David:  The Regulars, they changed their name back to The Regulars and we thought well, we could go back to The Originals but what's the point?
Nigel:  We became The Thamesmen at that point.

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1183 on: July 13, 2019, 06:32:07 PM »
Another party has parped out. This one doesn't give any idea of what it is about: https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1150026599628234752


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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1184 on: July 13, 2019, 07:07:25 PM »
Another party has parped out. This one doesn't give any idea of what it is about: https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1150026599628234752
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Most recent supporter: Nobody wants t. from United Kingdom

Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1185 on: July 13, 2019, 07:28:00 PM »
Another party has parped out. This one doesn't give any idea of what it is about: https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1150026599628234752

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United for Change is a campaign name of Project One Movement for the UK Ltd, a company limited by guarantee registered at 5th Floor Orwell House, 16-18 Berners Street, London, United Kingdom, W1T 3LN.

Orwell House, eh? Hmmm.

Also, that company appears to have been dissolved in January this year: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10909400

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« Reply #1186 on: July 13, 2019, 07:34:12 PM »
Orwell House, eh? Hmmm.

Also, that company appears to have been dissolved in January this year: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10909400

The company director is one Simon Franks, who applied to (voluntarily) have the company struck off in October of last year.

Is it this guy?

https://www.simonfranks.org/about

Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1187 on: July 13, 2019, 07:40:30 PM »
The company director is one Simon Franks, who applied to (voluntarily) have the company struck off in October of last year.

Is it this guy?

https://www.simonfranks.org/about

Yes, that's him.

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1188 on: July 13, 2019, 07:42:57 PM »
Orwell House, eh? Hmmm.

Also, that company appears to have been dissolved in January this year: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10909400

Berners Street too!

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1189 on: July 13, 2019, 07:45:19 PM »
Yes, that's him.

Why is Mr LoveFilm funding a political party?

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1190 on: July 13, 2019, 08:18:07 PM »
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/who%E2%80%99s-technocrat-behind-new-%E2%80%98centrist-party%E2%80%99-united-change (Friday, August 10, 2018)

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Who’s the technocrat behind the new ‘centrist party’ United for Change?

by SOLOMON HUGHES

THE multimillionaire-led attempt to launch a new “centrist party” to beat Labour is up and running, but the branding is so bland you might mistake it for a new weight-loss product or an exciting online estate agent. Or even a new video-on-demand service.

It’s called United for Change, with the slogan: “They said change was impossible. Let’s show them it’s not.”

It is funded by Simon Franks. He set up DVDs-by-post service LoveFilm, then sold it to Amazon in 2011 for around £200 million.

They promptly closed it down, as they just wanted the membership list and to stop competition for their own online video service.

Once a Labour donor — he gave around £20,000 to the party and £15,000 for Ed Balls to help run his office back in 2014 — Franks hates Labour’s turn left.

Last year it leaked out that he is putting up £50m for a new “centrist party to fight Labour, through a company called Project One Movement Ltd.

This month, Franks’s multimillionaire-funded-but-as-yet-member-free party has a new name and a new website, United for Change. He is out to recruit a mix of “experts” — businessmen and Labour MPs willing to abandon their “tribalism” and “historical baggage.”

It’s a technocratic appeal for “creating policies on the back of evidence and research that deliver long-term, workable solutions to the issues we face,” though it is going to be linked with a “populist” stand of a “tough” policy to address “the collapse in public confidence in our immigration system.”

Franks is hosting his new party from his company headquarters in London. Appropriately this HQ is in Orwell House, as centrists love to think Orwell is their patron saint, which has always seemed a bit unfair on Orwell, who at various times backed armed revolution and never enthused about technocratic managerialism.

Since giving up LoveFilm, one of Franks’s biggest businesses, which sits in Orwell House alongside the new party, is Redbus Media, an “outdoor advertising” firm.

Redbus specialises in helping corporations sell to “youth,” meaning 16 to 19-year-olds and students of 18 to 24. It does this by having poster spaces and digital displays around both colleges for the youth and university campuses.

Redbus has other niche specialities, like targeting shoppers with adverts pinned to the handles and sides of shopping trollies. Its recent clients include Coca-Cola, McDonald’s and Nestle.

So the “new” party challenging Labour and promising to write a “new social contract for 21st century Britain” is housed and funded by a man who sells sugary drinks and fatty food to “youth” and puts ads for choccy bars on shopping trollies.

Link from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_for_Change

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1191 on: July 14, 2019, 10:36:55 AM »
Has anyone done a list/timeline?

I can't remember what there is, when it started, who's in it....

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1192 on: July 14, 2019, 10:49:18 AM »
Yet another party saying "politics is broken". That's four parties I've seen using that slogan so far. So unique

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« Reply #1193 on: July 14, 2019, 11:00:01 AM »
Yet another party saying "politics is broken". That's four parties I've seen using that slogan so far. So unique

Politics is Fractured

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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1194 on: July 14, 2019, 11:03:22 AM »
Politics is Fractured
Don't give them ideas!

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« Reply #1195 on: July 14, 2019, 11:14:39 AM »
Don't give them ideas!

It's my idea and the best phrasing. Politics is Broken lacks any depth or imagination and is a symptom of Broken Britain.

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« Reply #1196 on: July 14, 2019, 11:40:18 AM »
It's my idea and the best phrasing. Politics is Broken lacks any depth or imagination and is a symptom of Broken Britain.
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Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1197 on: July 14, 2019, 12:38:19 PM »
Do any of these parties that say that politics is broken ever say why or how? Or is it just code for "we don't ike Brexit or socialism"

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« Reply #1198 on: July 14, 2019, 12:40:45 PM »
Do any of these parties that say that politics is broken ever say why or how? Or is it just code for "we don't ike Brexit or socialism"

Basically, yes; their solution is to return to mid 2000's neoliberalism ignoring the fact that brexit and right/left populism are all prima facie evidence of this system not working for lots of people.

Re: Tinge UK - New Centrist Party [split topic]
« Reply #1199 on: July 16, 2019, 07:38:53 PM »
For Change UK