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Brexit Thread Seven: More of this shit

Started by Mister Six, April 05, 2019, 04:29:39 PM

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Shoulders?-Stomach!

The trading advantages of an Alan are enormous

biggytitbo

As long as we are still free to negotiate our own Alans I'm not fussed.

Fambo Number Mive

Should be good for countries that have Dans

biggytitbo


Fambo Number Mive

I'm confused why May is saying in this video that the choice is leaving with a deal or not leaving at all. Even if Parliament does manage to vote to block no deal, if the EU don't offer another extension surely we still leave with no deal by default. Whatever Parliament votes for won't affect what the EU offer.

https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/1114891046025084931

Paul Calf

That's what she's saying today. I get the impression that she believes the last thing she was told if it was told with sufficient plausibility.

She is not only the shittest Prime Minister ever, but perhaps the shittest Prime Minister it's possible to be.

Kelvin

Quote from: Paul Calf on April 07, 2019, 08:56:46 PM
She is not only the shittest Prime Minister ever, but perhaps the shittest Prime Minister it's possible to be.

Did an actual LOL at this.   :)

Paul Calf

Of course, this is excellent news for Brexmaniacs because the fulfillment of their dearest wishes depends not on vision, strength, ability and leadership, but on everyone being so shit at their jobs that we fall off a cliff edge by default.

Urinal Cake

The question is whether May was the Prime Minister at all. She could have running through fields of wheat and the result would still be the same.

Cloud

Interesting change in wording. Wonder if it means May intends to revoke if a deal isn't agreed, and how she'd manage that given it requires an act of parliament (invoking couldn't be done on royal prerogative so..)

Urinal Cake

Using misleading logic as a reason to compromise on a shitty deal.

If Deal = true then deadline = Brexit else deadline = stay. Rather it's more like a EU patience while loop.

   

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Paul Calf on April 07, 2019, 09:01:32 PM
Of course, this is excellent news for Brexmaniacs because the fulfillment of their dearest wishes depends not on vision, strength, ability and leadership, but on everyone being so shit at their jobs that we fall off a cliff edge by default.

Unless the Tories actually get May out, I'm convinced that won't ever happen. The EU certainly don't want it - they only voice it as a threat to try and bash heads together in London. All the while they seem prepared to offer the UK 12 months or longer, which gives everyone the opportunity to breath and makes an election or 2nd ref slightly more likely.

There is enough opposition in cabinet and parliament, and enough passed motions to have sent a strong message to May that No Deal is not acceptable, and most of what May has done in recent weeks shows tacit acceptance that is the case.

The only sticking point now really is what May wants her legacy to be:

- Agreeing a long extension will almost certainly result in her being outed
- Signing up to any proposal with Labour will probably result in her having to fend off a leadership challenge, which would be rather odd defending given she's already said she'd go in a matter of months and the contest would make the Tories look like absolute clowns ( possibly slightly diluted if Labour's own cabal of People's Voters cause trouble - very likely). This has quite a high risk of her being ignominiously defeated and cemented in history as a total failure.

Last chance of redemption with MV4 then?


biggytitbo

#132
Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 07, 2019, 08:52:41 PM
I'm confused why May is saying in this video that the choice is leaving with a deal or not leaving at all. Even if Parliament does manage to vote to block no deal, if the EU don't offer another extension surely we still leave with no deal by default. Whatever Parliament votes for won't affect what the EU offer.

https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/1114891046025084931

In the vanishingly remote chance that the EU refuse an extension, we would revoke. That is what she is referring to.

I think the tide is turning for the most crucial bunch of MPs in parliament - the remainers who reluctantly believe they were obliged to deliver on the referendum result. But the psyop to demoralise the public is really beginning to bear fruit and they are relentlessly pushing the narrative that its all too difficult, so those MPs increasingly think they can now get away with ignoring the result without getting the blame for it. So either either rigged referendum with a shit sandwich option on it or a revoke look most likely now. They can then shrug and say - look we tried, but it was just too difficult...sigh.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on April 07, 2019, 09:53:42 PM
Unless the Tories actually get May out, I'm convinced that won't ever happen. The EU certainly don't want it - they only voice it as a threat to try and bash heads together in London. All the while they seem prepared to offer the UK 12 months or longer, which gives everyone the opportunity to breath and makes an election or 2nd ref slightly more likely.

There is enough opposition in cabinet and parliament, and enough passed motions to have sent a strong message to May that No Deal is not acceptable, and most of what May has done in recent weeks shows tacit acceptance that is the case.

The only sticking point now really is what May wants her legacy to be:

- Agreeing a long extension will almost certainly result in her being outed
- Signing up to any proposal with Labour will probably result in her having to fend off a leadership challenge, which would be rather odd defending given she's already said she'd go in a matter of months and the contest would make the Tories look like absolute clowns ( possibly slightly diluted if Labour's own cabal of People's Voters cause trouble - very likely). This has quite a high risk of her being ignominiously defeated and cemented in history as a total failure.

Last chance of redemption with MV4 then?

A load of hot air. Her legacy died the moment she entered the Home Office. She won't be remembered. There will be a blank space in the Wikipedia article on British Prime Ministers. "Remember her coughing fit?" "who are you talking about again?"

pancreas

Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 07, 2019, 08:52:41 PM
I'm confused why May is saying in this video that the choice is leaving with a deal or not leaving at all. Even if Parliament does manage to vote to block no deal, if the EU don't offer another extension surely we still leave with no deal by default. Whatever Parliament votes for won't affect what the EU offer.

https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/1114891046025084931

Amazing. The shaky camera makes it look like an episode of The Office or The Thick of It. We are now actively trying to make it look like we are living through a demented sitcom.


Zetetic

"... like the android assassin in the final stages of the second 'Terminator' film, moving desperately from one Brexit model to another."

garnish

Very concerned for Biggy's wellbeing if he reads that article

Urinal Cake

I think May recognises that making a deal is her only legacy.

Probably went in thinking she was Thatcher 1.1 and would be able to clean up Cameron's mess. Positive conservative and feminist press performing cunnilingus on her just made it worse.

pancreas



Paul Calf

QuoteWe abhor social division, injustice, unfairness and inequality.

Hahahaha.

Mayonnaise.

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Quote from: Zetetic on April 07, 2019, 11:29:03 PM
"... like the android assassin in the final stages of the second 'Terminator' film, moving desperately from one Brexit model to another."

I don't remember the T-1000 doing this.

Could they mean the SNES game?

biggytitbo

Theresa Mays brexit deal definetly has a painted on anus.

biggytitbo

Be interesting to see how big the climbdown is from the EU on Wednesday if May turns up with nothing other than 'I still have no idea how im going to get the WA act passed, give me more time', when they've repeatedly stated they need more from her than that.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Robert Patrick reforming into a bespoke customs union

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: biggytitbo on April 08, 2019, 07:27:01 AM
Be interesting to see how big the climbdown is from the EU on Wednesday if May turns up with nothing other than 'I still have no idea how im going to get the WA act passed, give me more time', when they've repeatedly stated they need more from her than that.

Except it isn't a climbdown for them to insist she accepts a long extension. It's one step on the road to Remaining.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on April 08, 2019, 07:28:11 AM
Except it isn't a climbdown for them to insist she accepts a long extension. It's one step on the road to Remaining.


That is indeed what they want, but it is a massive climbdown on their rhetoric that May can only have a long extension if she has a firm plan on what she is going to do with it - election, referendum, solid prospect of getting the WA passed etc, not just so she can piss about some more. I guess she is hoping she can have a draft of some agreement with labour in time, but even that looks incredibly unlikely right now.

Paul Calf

Yes it does. Because the Tories are still in control of Brexit, and the Labour Party are refusing to let them damage workers' and citizens' rights, environmental protections and the possibility of pursuing tax avoidance, and trying to stop them flogging national infrastructure and services to America, China, Russia, Germany and Richard Branson. They're very reluctant to do this because all these things were reasons the wanted to do it in the first place.

It's an AnCap's wet dream and a socialist's nightmare.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Paul Calf on April 08, 2019, 07:56:21 AM
Yes it does. Because the Tories are still in control of Brexit, and the Labour Party are refusing to let them damage workers' and citizens' rights, environmental protections and the possibility of pursuing tax avoidance and trying to stop them flogging national infrastructure and services to America, China, Russia, Germany and Richard Branson. They're very reluctant to do this because that was the reason the wanted to do it in the first place.


None of that is in the WA.


Loads of it in the EU though.