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Brexit Thread Seven: More of this shit

Started by Mister Six, April 05, 2019, 04:29:39 PM

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chveik

Quote from: sponk on July 20, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
Biggs, have you ever changed your mind on anything EU related because of an argument here? Have you ever changed anyone else's mind on anything?

it's almost as if these arguments were pointless

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Quote from: biggytitbo on July 20, 2019, 02:18:34 PM
Making things up then pretending to worry about them

No, believe it or not some people do actually care about the socialist ideals that underpin our public services.  Some of us actually care so much that we work for them when we could instead be raking in loads of money by sitting in a Murdoch-owned office all day seemingly never doing any work whatsoever.

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Quote from: biggytitbo on July 20, 2019, 02:18:34 PM
why would anyone sell out the people who vote for them for no actual benefit?

Ask yourself "no actual benefit for whom?"  The Tories are paid for by the wealthy individuals and corporations that will benefit from these changes, and everyone without wealth in the world and country can die in a fire as far as they're concerned and the establishment media will continue to describe them as political Mother Theresas for perfectly obvious reasons as long as Labour aren't beating the same drum.

You've a cheek asking why people would continue voting for the Tories if they did this.  You cluelessly voted for Nigel Farage because you perceived him as your buddy on voting day.  You will also vote for Boris Johnson when the time comes, because he stands for all the same things and maintains the same chummy visage, and because you will still be clueless.  That's why the Tories will sell out the people who vote for them:  it won't make the tiniest difference to the fact that people vote for them, and it will make the Tories and their wealthy friends more rich and powerful.

It's hilarious that you need all this explaining to you since it's so counter-establishment.  If you weren't dedicated to blind contrarianism you'd surely be making these same arguments yourself.  Maybe you are taking this stance on a pro-Tory forum somewhere.  You are ridiculous.

jobotic

Biggy will benefit too.

Why are you bothering with this shit stain?

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Quote from: jobotic on July 20, 2019, 02:44:25 PM
Biggy will benefit too.

One has to assume this or all his arguments make no sense.  I just wish he'd be honest about it.


jobotic

Gammon doesn't mean white you thick cunt.

The only place I've seen these pictures is on here, posted by you.

jobotic



jobotic

They're all triggered on here today. So upset by a few Lib Dems even though everything's going their way.

Quote from: jobotic on July 20, 2019, 04:07:28 PM
Gammon doesn't mean white you thick cunt.

It's a racial slur against ethnically white people, you disingenuous, racist, far left cunt

Paul Calf

Ooh, Nursey! The boys are getting tough!

biggytitbo

Darren Grimes has won his appeal against the electoral commison fine https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49048431

Funny how every time anything brexit related ends up in the courts and remainers have to produce actual fact rather than inane conspiracy theories, they lose isn't it?

Every single challenge to the result has now been dismissed as lacking merit by the courts, a challenge to the £350m claim was dismissed in withering terms, the electoral commison has been ruled against multiple times now over leave campaigners, some SNP MEP had to issue a grovelling apology to the brexit party over a libel that he was about to be taken to the cleaners over, the guardian has just had to pay out a huge sum to isabel oakshot for libel and brexits very own Alex Jones, Carole Cadwaldar is in big trouble after libelling arsehole Arron Banks.

Remainers cementing their place in history as the 2nd worse losers of all time after the 2016 democrats in the US.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Paulie Walnuts on July 20, 2019, 07:03:30 PM
It's a racial slur against ethnically white people, you disingenuous, racist, far left cunt

Knuckleduster for this mutant gammon!

sponk

Quote from: Paulie Walnuts on July 20, 2019, 07:03:30 PM
It's a racial slur against ethnically white people, you disingenuous, racist, far left cunt

Why do you use it then?

biggytitbo

I don't have a problem with the overwhelming homogenous whiteness of the EU and remain campaigners. They are bourgeois, white, status quo liberals, defending their narrow privlege, so what do you expect. It's just a bit rich as they defend their white empire that they keep accusing those who don't like it of racism.

jobotic

Quote from: Paulie Walnuts on July 20, 2019, 07:03:30 PM
It's a racial slur against ethnically white people, you disingenuous, racist, far left cunt

No it isn't you fucking moron.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: biggytitbo on July 20, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
Darren Grimes has won his appeal against the electoral commison fine https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49048431

Funny how every time anything brexit related ends up in the courts and remainers have to produce actual fact rather than inane conspiracy theories, they lose isn't it? Every single challenge to the result has now been dismissed as lacking merit by the courts...

This is a lie: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/pro-brexit-activist-darren-grimes-wins-appeal-against-fine-electoral-spending

QuoteIn July last year the Electoral Commission concluded that coordinated spending had taken place in breach of the law. Vote Leave was fined £61,000, in part for refusing to cooperate with investigators, while Grimes was fined £20,000.

Both Vote Leave and Grimes launched appeals against their respective fines, although Vote Leave later withdrew its appeal and paid its fine. By contrast, Grimes raised over £90,000 via a crowdfunding website to cover his legal costs.

Quote from: buggy...a challenge to the £350m claim was dismissed in withering terms...

Withering terms? This is also a lie: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48855640

QuoteOutlining their reasons on Wednesday, they said it was "not sufficient" to argue that Mr Johnson made "contentious and widely challenged" statements about Brexit and the NHS while he was an MP and London mayor and that this therefore represented a "breach of duty".

They concluded it had not been demonstrated that Mr Johnson made the comments "as he discharged the duties of the office".

They pointed out that Parliament had passed legislation to make it a criminal offence for anyone to make false statements about a candidate during a campaign for the purposes of stopping them being elected.

But Parliament, they concluded, had "deliberately excluded" legislating to include false factual statements about statistics within the auspices of the criminal law.

"Parliament twice made a choice not to do precisely that which the interested party now seeks to achieve," they ruled.

Quote from: buggy...the guardian has just had to pay out a huge sum to isabel oakshot for libel...

This hasn't got anything to do with brexit but the diplomatic cables leak. The Graun got sued for comments that could be interpreted as sexist and misogynistic (I note that she tweeted the Guido coverage of this case - no problem with Shit Staines's own form for sexism and misogyny, then). The fine is a 'five figure sum', so that's anything from £10,000 to £99,000. I wonder why everyone's so cagey about the specific amount.

Quote from: buggy...and brexits very own Alex Jones Carole Cadwaldar is in big trouble after libelling arsehole Arron Banks.

And she's going to counter-sue: https://pressgazette.co.uk/carole-cadwalladr-will-defend-true-claims-about-brexiteer-aaron-banks-in-libel-battle/

Quote from: buggyRemainers cementing their place in history as the 2nd worse losers of all time after the 2016 democrats in the US.

You're cementing your place in CaB history as its most mendacious poster of all time.

Cuellar

Quote from: Paulie Walnuts on July 20, 2019, 07:03:30 PM
It's a racial slur against ethnically white people, you disingenuous, racist, far left cunt


jobotic

Quote from: biggytitbo on July 20, 2019, 07:39:43 PM
I don't have a problem with the overwhelming homogenous whiteness of the EU and remain campaigners. They are bourgeois, white, status quo liberals, defending their narrow privlege, so what do you expect. It's just a bit rich as they defend their white empire that they keep accusing those who don't like it of racism.

How's your privilege? Your gold? Your well paid job exploiting addicts? Still mocking people who work with SEN kids for far less than you get? Still think victims of austerity should have saved some more money?

Happy to see your disgustingly wealthy hero Banks sue a journalist for getting it right about his criminality?

See Paulie there? He's just a fucking imbecile making himself feel alive by chucking crying baby gifs at lefties so he can feel he's won for a fleeting moment. You're much worse. The vilest shit on here by a mile. I so hope the fascists you toady around turn on you one day.

biggytitbo

#2210
Quote from: Johnny Yesno on July 20, 2019, 08:29:31 PM
This is a lie: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/pro-brexit-activist-darren-grimes-wins-appeal-against-fine-electoral-spending



The much vaunted claims against Grimes are false and based on a misreading of the law, as it says in the judgement.

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Withering terms? This is also a lie: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48855640

No, you're lying, this is pretty withering in its dismissal. The csse was utterly vexatious and without merit - https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5d1d92ce2c94e018dbfc44fc

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This hasn't got anything to do with brexit but the diplomatic cables leak. The Graun got sued for comments that could be interpreted as sexist and misogynistic. The fine is a 'five figure sum', so that's anything from £10,000 to £99,000. I wonder why everyone's so cagey about the specific amount.

Considering they implied she, as a brexit campaigner, routinely got her info by sleeping with Arron banks it's entirely relevant.

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And she's going to counter-sue: https://pressgazette.co.uk/carole-cadwalladr-will-defend-true-claims-about-brexiteer-aaron-banks-in-libel-battle/

I'm sure she is, but she massively overstepped the mark of what she could prove in her obsessive anti-brexit zealotry and is going to get taken to the cleaners unless she apologises.

The EUtopian center, in their inexplicable, cult like devotion to a neoliberal trading bloc, have abandoned all reason and indulged themselves in the conspiracism traditionally associated with the paranoid right in America, and are deservedly begin to reap the punishment for it.

Zetetic





Still no interest in a real compromise?

QuoteI'd be more than happy to give up literally every other aspect of the UK's relationship with the other member states. Fuck it, let's end all trade in goods and services, and block all capital flows - fine by me. But maintain - unilaterally - the rights provided by European citizenship in the UK. That's a hell of a compromise, isn't it?

Johnny Yesno

#2212
Quote from: biggytitbo on July 20, 2019, 08:45:24 PM
The much vaunted claims against Grimes are false and based on a misreading of the law, as it says in the judgement.

Hey, you slippery cunt. The lie was this:

Quote from: biggytitbo on July 20, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
Funny how every time anything brexit related ends up in the courts and remainers have to produce actual fact rather than inane conspiracy theories, they lose isn't it?

Every single challenge to the result has now been dismissed as lacking merit by the courts

I highlighted the relevant bit of my reply for the hard of thinking but you totally ignored it:

QuoteIn July last year the Electoral Commission concluded that coordinated spending had taken place in breach of the law. Vote Leave was fined £61,000, in part for refusing to cooperate with investigators, while Grimes was fined £20,000.

Both Vote Leave and Grimes launched appeals against their respective fines, although Vote Leave later withdrew its appeal and paid its fine. By contrast, Grimes raised over £90,000 via a crowdfunding website to cover his legal costs.

Quote from: biggytitbo on July 20, 2019, 08:45:24 PM
No, you're lying, this is pretty withering in its dismissal. The csse was utterly vexatious and without merit - https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5d1d92ce2c94e018dbfc44fc

Bollocks. Read paragraph 36.

Quote from: biggytitbo on July 20, 2019, 08:45:24 PM
I'm sure she is, but she massively overstepped the mark of what she could prove in her obsessive anti-brexit zealotry and is going to get taken to the cleaners unless she apologises.

We'll see. She hasn't lost yet, as you have dishonestly claimed.

QuoteThe EUtopian center, in their inexplicable, cult like devotion to a neoliberal trading bloc, have abandoned all reason and indulged themselves in the conspiracism traditionally associated with the paranoid right in America, and are deservedly begin to reap the punishment for it.

Fuck off.

Paul Calf

I hope he's not right. I wouldn't fancy reaping punishment. It sounds tough and confusing.


Fambo Number Mive

Jacob Rees Mogg has written an article in the Telegraph claiming a no-deal Brexit could boost the economy by £80bn.

jobotic

Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on July 21, 2019, 02:13:40 PM
Jacob Rees Mogg has written an article in the Telegraph claiming a no-deal Brexit could boost the economy by £80bn.

Divided between a thousand individuals?

Quote from: Paulie Walnuts on July 20, 2019, 07:03:30 PM
It's a racial slur against ethnically white people, you disingenuous, racist, far left cunt
Dont be a little snowflake, gammon fuck

Paul Calf

He's right though. It *is* an insult that relies on skin-colour shaming and I wish we'd stop presenting these easy targets to right-wing trolls.

jobotic