David Attenborough actually dead

[Twit 2]

pleased about his new Netflix series!

[kittens]

April Fool everyone

[Bazooka]

I mean he can't actually die, he's consumed the life force of his late brother ,any tortoise and Greenland sharks he has come into contact with.

[thenoise]

Netflix

He's dead to me the sell out cunt.

[NoSleep]

BBC wussed out on him more like. "But... people don't want all the politics. Just show them the pretty pictures." I say fuck those imaginary people.

[Hey, Punk!]

XD

[Johnny Yesno]

BBC wussed out on him more like. "But... people don't want all the politics. Just show them the pretty pictures." I say fuck those imaginary people.

Is that speculation or did it really happen?

[Default to the negative]

I was going to ask, what's 'the politics'?

I think I vaguely remember some Daily Mail article moaning about how Attenborough occasionally mentions environmental issues. Has he said something more political than that lately?

[NoSleep]

Is that speculation or did it really happen?

Where it differs from BBC shows is in no longer ignoring or minimising the threats facing all the environments and animals on display. Hamstrung by the idea that any mention of eco-problems would make audiences switch off, and the broadcasters' preferred strategy of hoping that sharing incredible sights around the world would inspire people to save them, nature programming has been taken to task for avoiding the issue, and not using their power to raise awareness of the dangers facing us all. Contextless stories don't inspire us to change, after all; they just allow us to continue in our comfortable, fatal state of denial. Producer Alastair Fothergill has expressed frustration that he wasn't allowed to include more on the subject at the BBC.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/apr/05/our-planet-review-david-attenborough-netflix-eco-warrior-activist-bbc

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Where it differs from BBC shows is in no longer ignoring or minimising the threats facing all the environments and animals on display.

He has mentioned these things before in his previous docs.

[NoSleep]

He has mentioned these things before in his previous docs.

Producer Alastair Fothergill has expressed frustration that he wasn't allowed to include more on the subject at the BBC.

[Twit 2]

He has mentioned these things before in his previous docs.

Yeah but not as much, and I think the inclusion of these segments has had to be fought for. I actually think the more recent DA BBC series have gone a bit downhill. Too much slow-mo nature porn, a dumbed down script and not enough context or detail.

[Johnny Yesno]

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/apr/05/our-planet-review-david-attenborough-netflix-eco-warrior-activist-bbc

Fucking hell. This country.

[Sebastian Cobb]

It's interesting, especially given I've defended The BBC in the past saying this sort of stuff wouldn't get made commercially, although as you can see from Netflix's drama's they're in the cash-rich stage of throwing money about and seeing what will stick. God knows how much Netflix actually care about environmentalism, or whether it's just fashionable with it's younger audience, dunno if it matters if it's getting the message across.

[thenoise]

I don't think the BBC are any more likely than anyone else to deliver programming with difficult messages that audiences don't think already than a commercial channel.  And I think this has been the case for at least 20 years.

Attenborough was one of the last remaining justifications for the licence fee.  Who is left that wouldn't get snapped up by a commercial channel in a heartbeat (and probably given much more money and freedom)?  Adam Curtis?

[greenman]

Honestly I'm taking an increasingly negative view of Curtis, I think the BBC keep him around because he takes what might nominally be anti establishment themes and turns them into odes to general hopelessness.

Beyond the BBC I actually suspect Attenborough is a much more significant cultural figure than he's perhaps given credit for, for much of the public I think he represents one of the last links back to a more socially progressive time pre Thatcher, one of the few remaining trustworthy voices.

Yeah but not as much, and I think the inclusion of these segments has had to be fought for. I actually think the more recent DA BBC series have gone a bit downhill. Too much slow-mo nature porn, a dumbed down script and not enough context or detail.

I felt the stuff they were doing after the original Planet Earth was probably their best recent work, things like Wild China and The Great Rift, I mean not exactly hard hitting politically but they did provide some context and didn't focus as heavily on gimmicks.

The BBC do have some more political nature stuff such as the "Land of..." but it tends more towards reality TV on a much lower budget. I'm guessing part of why they shy away from politics on the bigger programs tends to be with a few to selling US rights, you get a bit of it in the "diaries" segments but I'm guessing there not shown as much outside the UK.

[thenoise]

Honestly I'm taking an increasingly negative view of Curtis, I think the BBC keep him around because he takes what might nominally be anti establishment themes and turns them into odes to general hopelessness.

Even then, the fact that his work is restricted to a blog buried somewhere in the BBC website, and his latest film a 2.5 hour internet only release, suggests they are avoiding anyone stumbling across his work for the first time (as I did in the mid 90s).
It's not so much the political content as the extensive research, trawling through archive footage etc. Maybe this is easily done outside of the BBC nowadays too?

[greenman]

Even then, the fact that his work is restricted to a blog buried somewhere in the BBC website, and his latest film a 2.5 hour internet only release, suggests they are avoiding anyone stumbling across his work for the first time (as I did in the mid 90s).
It's not so much the political content as the extensive research, trawling through archive footage etc. Maybe this is easily done outside of the BBC nowadays too?

You could argue though that if the BBC support him partly for the reason I mentioned that's exactly what they would want, not aiming his work at the mainstream but rather the kind of politically more aware person who might search it out.

It was dicussed a few months ago that he tends to bend his narrative towards general hopelessness and makes some serious mischaracterisations of a lot of the alternatives to the current establishment. The idea for example that a lot of protests such as anti mubark or occupy wallstreet have no real substance to them when I think you could argue it was moreso a lack of organisation.

[Twit 2]

Watching the 1st episode now. Almost identical to the flagship BBC stuff, but a little faster paced.

Is there a contractual obligation to show dolphins and birds having a go at a big shoal of tinned fish? Seen it before, mate. I want to see two cousins from Wakefield having a fist fight for the last free wooden table outside a kebab kiosk.

[BlodwynPig]

Second rate David Bellamy

[NoSleep]

Second rate David Bellamy

He's a second rate second rate climate change denier?

[BlodwynPig]

He's a second rate second rate climate change denier?

ah, you didn't get it did you.

[Flatulent Fox]

Anytime soon.
  I cannot stand the old bast and his droning voice.
Also if he's going to tell us all animal stories,he should have filmed it himself.

He's no david Bellamy,but this is.


Bellamy is far superior and would easily beat twatenborough in a fight.I know who I want narrating my documenteries.


Edit:Here's the proof

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You should have given them a 'nostalgia' score, where Attenborough obviously wins.

[Sin Agog]

David will always live in the shadow of his much more talented brother...John Attenborough.