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I honestly think that Limp Bizkit are good fun

Started by madhair60, April 10, 2019, 08:57:52 PM

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Noodle Lizard

Do Pantera get much blame for nu-metal?  I'm on the fence as to whether or not they should.  I'm sure the fact that they were so successful doing heavier-than-normal music must have had an impact, but I reckon their influence is heard more in Lamb Of God and all that instead of Slipknot.  They didn't do that cringey rapping thing that became the calling card of nu-metal.

madhair60

I go back and forth on SOAD. I'm like banana terracotta pie yeah fuck off mate. Fuck off with your mighty boosh shit. then WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE KIDS AT TIENANMAN SQUARE yes mate fucking get in

mrpupkin

I remember getting a free 'nu-metal' compilation cd with the Melody Maker that had the Get Up Kids on it. Those were confusing times.

Edit...haha the internet is great: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Nu-Clear-Bombz/release/2392511

up_the_hampipe

Quote from: madhair60 on April 16, 2019, 10:09:36 AM
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magval

Quote from: Noodle Lizard on April 18, 2019, 09:47:57 AM
Do Pantera get much blame for nu-metal?  I'm on the fence as to whether or not they should.  I'm sure the fact that they were so successful doing heavier-than-normal music must have had an impact, but I reckon their influence is heard more in Lamb Of God and all that instead of Slipknot.  They didn't do that cringey rapping thing that became the calling card of nu-metal.

I doubt you could make much argument for Pantera having involvement in or influence on nu-metal. They were on their own path throughout the decade and never really seemed to absorb any influence from anything except, delightfully, extreme metal. They didn't write riffs with those obnoxious tails (more on this in a futurepost I reckon), didn't have the rapping as you mention. They were just there at the same time.

I missed them in my teens and twenties altogether and rectified it last year. Pantera were fucking special like. Of all the bands I missed when I shouldn't have I've enjoyed discovering Pantera properly the most.

alan nagsworth

System of a Down were brilliant. The debut album is really good (so good in fact that I dedicated my GCSE art project to it, and received a C grade) but Toxicity is just fantastic. "Chop Suey" was way more of a pop hit amongst my peers than the eponymous single - with every cunt hilariously attributing the word "suicide" to their own piddly angst - but oddly it's a song from which I can completely discard the hype, and enjoy the whole album uninterrupted.

Admittedly they got gradually less interesting over time but their sound, especially the vocals and the incorporating of occasional Armenian musical stylings into the mix, was thrilling and arguably still is.

Cuellar


gmoney

Some friends of mine are in a band that do vocal harmony covers of metal songs, one of their first videos was a cover of Rollin'. Fred Durst got wind of it and had them open for Limp Bizkit at Sonisphere, which was a lovely thing for him to do. Apparently he was great with them backstage, very friendly and encouraging.

I never liked them, always shite. I never could get passed his muppet voice. Break Stuff is quite funny and My Way was a good fit for Wrestlemania 17, I think that is about their level.

PlanktonSideburns

Quote from: gmoney on April 18, 2019, 12:19:09 PM
Some friends of mine are in a band that do vocal harmony covers of metal songs, one of their first videos was a cover of Rollin'. Fred Durst got wind of it and had them open for Limp Bizkit at Sonisphere, which was a lovely thing for him to do. Apparently he was great with them backstage, very friendly and encouraging.

I never liked them, always shite. I never could get passed his muppet voice. Break Stuff is quite funny and My Way was a good fit for Wrestlemania 17, I think that is about their level.

Here we have it: it's music for people who like wrestling


gmoney

Quote from: alan nagsworth on April 18, 2019, 01:03:32 PM
desolation

You'd love them Nags, they're influenced by Richard Cheese, who I have it on good authority is your best mate bum chum.

alan nagsworth

Send us a link please. I'm a fuckin Cynical Cedric though and there's every equal chance I'll hate it, but I'll try to be polite.


magval

Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on April 18, 2019, 12:44:35 PM
Here we have it: it's music for people who like wrestling

Well...

Wrestling, like metal music, has gradations of fandom that depend on the depth, to that type of fan, of its appeal. No thing that's that popular hasn't some degree of merit. No totally shit thing EVER gets popular. There's something in there, either right on the face value level or somewhere deeper and worthy of critical appraisal, for everything that ever takes off like these two things. Wrestlemania 17 and Limp Bizkit are two great examples of things that represent the peak of their respective type-of-thing in terms of how well they stand up under heavy scrutiny, how easily torn apart they are by detractors at face value, and their visibility and representation to 'outsiders'.

I'm happy to generalise here, face-value level, and say that I dislike metal fans, probably about as much as I dislike wrestling fans. As a broadly identifiable type of person, they're both awful. But I also know and love people who like both without broadcasting that as a visible 'this is who I am' message. And I love both. There's fascinating depth of artistry beneath the crude visual appeal of both worlds, and rich histories, and fascinating psychological and political points of analysis too.

I like Limp Bizkit, and I like Wrestlemania 17, and having thought too much about it I know fine fucking rightly why I like Limp Bizkit and Wrestlemania 17, but even when I didn't, I'd have bristled at that comment and at the way it was designed to be read.

Now...





Quote from: mrpupkin on April 18, 2019, 10:05:11 AM
I remember getting a free 'nu-metal' compilation cd with the Melody Maker that had the Get Up Kids on it. Those were confusing times.

Edit...haha the internet is great: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Nu-Clear-Bombz/release/2392511

Dum Dums - You Knock Me Off My Feet

lovely

Twed


earl_sleek

Even though I knew it was not porn, there's something about that video that kept making me expect it to turn into porn.

Dr Syntax Head

I reckon Anthrax would have been more an influence than Pantera because Anthrax had a skater element to their image and of course Bring the noise with PE. Their riffs were more groovy than pantera who's riffs were more visceral and abrasive. By the way Anthrax in the John Bush era were the best of the big 4 thrash bands and that is fact.

PlanktonSideburns

Quote from: magval on April 18, 2019, 02:44:41 PM
Well...

Wrestling, like metal music, has gradations of fandom that depend on the depth, to that type of fan, of its appeal. No thing that's that popular hasn't some degree of merit. No totally shit thing EVER gets popular. There's something in there, either right on the face value level or somewhere deeper and worthy of critical appraisal, for everything that ever takes off like these two things. Wrestlemania 17 and Limp Bizkit are two great examples of things that represent the peak of their respective type-of-thing in terms of how well they stand up under heavy scrutiny, how easily torn apart they are by detractors at face value, and their visibility and representation to 'outsiders'.

I'm happy to generalise here, face-value level, and say that I dislike metal fans, probably about as much as I dislike wrestling fans. As a broadly identifiable type of person, they're both awful. But I also know and love people who like both without broadcasting that as a visible 'this is who I am' message. And I love both. There's fascinating depth of artistry beneath the crude visual appeal of both worlds, and rich histories, and fascinating psychological and political points of analysis too.

I like Limp Bizkit, and I like Wrestlemania 17, and having thought too much about it I know fine fucking rightly why I like Limp Bizkit and Wrestlemania 17, but even when I didn't, I'd have bristled at that comment and at the way it was designed to be read.

Now...



Good post, though I didn't mean to imply that either of those things are negative,  just that the feel like they draw from the same well

famethrowa

Quote from: BeardFaceMan on April 15, 2019, 02:58:05 PM
. The most entertaining thing he ever did was that phonecall to Taproot.

Oh nice one. Yes I still remember that, occasionally I'll think of the phrase "ya just fucked yerself"

Twed


magval

Quote from: PlanktonSideburns on April 19, 2019, 07:08:48 PM
Good post, though I didn't mean to imply that either of those things are negative,  just that the feel like they draw from the same well

Dead on :-)

You're right obviously, as well. WWF in 2000 and 2001 did an awful lot of cross-promotion with nu metal, with Limp Bizkit performing at a wrestling event in Seattle after the shine had worn off in 2003.

PlanktonSideburns

Quote from: magval on April 20, 2019, 10:28:50 AM
Dead on :-)

You're right obviously, as well. WWF in 2000 and 2001 did an awful lot of cross-promotion with nu metal, with Limp Bizkit performing at a wrestling event in Seattle after the shine had worn off in 2003.

trying to put my finger on exactly what that shared energy is, - i guess its that very un self conscious all American bravado? Insane Clown Posse have a similar vibe i feel, - so not bothered about how surreal it is that it punches out the other side? i dunno

the ouch cube

PanterA aren't blamed for nu metal specifically but they do get a lot of stick for supposedly "dumbing down" metal at the turn of the 1990s. Which is stupid really, because, as much of a tit wank as Anselmo undoubtedly is, it's not as though 80s metal was exactly overflowing with cerebral intellectuals in the first place.

Another possible influence is Mike Muir of Suicidal Tendencies, who pioneered the "tough guy who nevertheless unashamedly sings about inner psychological turmoil" thing. Unlike Fred First, however, Muir really is someone you don't want to mess with, being an actual Venice Beach locote and all.

Avril Lavigne

Quote from: Twed on April 20, 2019, 03:57:15 AM
Durst is becoming Bagpuss:

There was also a period not many people seem to remember when he was promoting a family sports comedy-drama film starring Ice Cube that he directed, and he looked like this



and spoke only in a broad fake Texan drawl without explanation.