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Re: Assange has been arrested
« Reply #180 on: April 13, 2019, 11:03:07 PM »
Sorry. Was getting a bit piqued by the Helen Lovejoy stuff, but you're allowed to have your priorities.

I think I was getting a bit jumpy too.

Re: Assange has been arrested
« Reply #181 on: April 13, 2019, 11:17:09 PM »
Why is it an odd idea?  I was actually comparing it in response to Simnock's fatuous post, but anyway if you're going to say it's not helpful, why not elaborate, why isn't it helpful?

And why is it cigs to murder people on the taxpayer's dime but Assange is bad because he's irresponsible (and a do-gooder to boot - what a cunt - a do-gooder, those are the absolute worst)?  How irresponsible is it to contribute to a multi-billion dollar war machine that's murdering families and just want it brushed under the carpet?

I don't think "You should only watch things like that if your are psychologically ready for them, a kid watching that could be affected in a very long lasting and damaging way and no way should it be anywhere near you-tube or easy to get at" is fatuous at all.

I'm very uncomfortable with the idea that the helicopter footage is a few clicks away & can be summoned without any content-warnings, while- since you brought porn into it- lots of other non-death things are hidden away.

it fucking isn't "cigs" to murder people on our dime. what are you trying to tell me, that I said that somehow?

I'll say it again- assange got the material he did without anyone's permission; this is possibly a grey area, morally, but it was against the law. even he would have to concede that.
but instead of wading through the stuff & figuring out what he could publish without endangering anyone (& here I'm referring to actual lives, as opposed to viewers of a sensitive disposition seeing people gunned down in the street), he just chucked the whole lot onto another server & somehow he's done the world a favour.

now, whatever we think about the consequences of his actions, whether we think (as I do) that it was irresponsible or that he was striking a blow for freedom of information, we can't go round saying that this sort of law-breaking is OK just because it has confirmed what we already knew about our governments.

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« Reply #182 on: April 14, 2019, 12:05:49 AM »
I'm very uncomfortable with the idea that the helicopter footage is a few clicks away & can be summoned without any content-warnings, while- since you brought porn into it- lots of other non-death things are hidden away.

I don't know how hypothetical kids are going to stumble upon the video, but it's going to be completely meaningless and boring to a little kid and largely meaningless and boring to an older kid. Nobody who doesn't already know what it is in advance will spend more than 15 seconds watching it.

Meanwhile there are weird kiddie channels, Peppa Pig videos with suicide instructions, sexually graphic material and animal abuse on Youtube, all of which is potentially more disturbing and dangerous for kids than some text they don't understand and some dust flying up in the air in grainy black and white.

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I'll say it again- assange got the material he did without anyone's permission; this is possibly a grey area, morally, but it was against the law. even he would have to concede that.

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this sort of law-breaking

What law are you talking about?

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« Reply #183 on: April 14, 2019, 02:58:47 AM »
I don't know how hypothetical kids are going to stumble upon the video, but it's going to be completely meaningless and boring to a little kid and largely meaningless and boring to an older kid. Nobody who doesn't already know what it is in advance will spend more than 15 seconds watching it.


yeah, I'm not so sure about any of that.

Meanwhile there are weird kiddie channels, Peppa Pig videos with suicide instructions, sexually graphic material and animal abuse on Youtube, all of which is potentially more disturbing and dangerous for kids than some text they don't understand and some dust flying up in the air in grainy black and white.

I'm well aware of that, & even the stuff on the supposedly kid-friendly version of youtube isn't thoroughly-enough vetted IMO, though most of it offends by relentlessly pimping toys & confectionery.
kids won't find it by accident, I agree, but it's been published on normal news websites & shown on tv.

I mean, it's one of those things, isn't it? if you find it disturbing (as I did) to see actual footage of US forces gunning down innocent people in the street, then it should have been in the context of responsible journalism, to provide it with some context, & to make sure that the right questions were asked of those responsible. if you don't- if all you see is grain & dust- then what was the point of it?


What law are you talking about?

"Assange has been charged with a single count of participating in the hacking of intelligence computers with Chelsea Manning to reveal controversial intelligence operations in the United States." (BBC)

bit vague, isn't it? but he hid from them for seven years, so there's clearly something waiting for him.

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« Reply #184 on: April 14, 2019, 08:03:11 AM »
It's pointless arguing with you on this but consider if you will, who are the police?  Who enforces law on criminal states?  Or do they just get a free pass because it's "illegal" for ordinary people to know or see the murders these states and their monstrous politicians use our money for?

How would you feel if it was your family being murdered by these people, would you feel that it was better ignored?

And, to be absolutely clear, Simnock is the living definition of fatuous.

I bear you no ill will, of course but ask you to think about this (except the Simnock bit).

Re: Assange has been arrested
« Reply #185 on: April 14, 2019, 09:58:54 AM »
if all you see is grain & dust- then what was the point of it?

We're talking about kids and what they see. If you don't know what an Apache helicopter is, or the Iraq war, it's meaningless; if you're old enough to understand what's happening, you're old enough to see it.

It won't even, by itself, be nearly enough to counter the lifetime of indoctrination everyone receives from politicians, news media, video-games and Pentagon-funded and script-approved movie and TV propaganda, but it's better than nothing.

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he hid from them for seven years, so there's clearly something waiting for him.

Would you want to risk even five minutes in an American jail? A year ago Lauri Love avoided extradition specifically because the courts agreed (with everyone who has heard of America) that sending someone to the "mediaeval" US is cruel and unusual punishment. In 2012 a certain T May stopped the extradition of Gary McKinnon to the US on similar humanitarian grounds.

I don't know if by handing Assange over to Sweden we leave the decision up to them, but if I was him I think I'd rather trust UK courts, with a history of at least protecting accused hackers, in a defence against the US.

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Re: Assange has been arrested
« Reply #186 on: April 14, 2019, 11:27:25 AM »
There should be a recruiting agency for people in their late 80s to follow in Assange’s footsteps.  It would be hilarious to learn of all the people on the US government’s hit list dying of old age before they can reach them.

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« Reply #187 on: April 14, 2019, 11:48:55 AM »

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« Reply #188 on: April 14, 2019, 12:05:27 PM »
The Assange Arrest is a Warning From History by John Pilger.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/04/12/the-assange-arrest-is-a-warning-from-history/

".... The shocking arrest of Assange carries a warning for all who, as Oscar Wilde wrote, “sew the seeds of discontent [without which] there would be no advance towards civilisation”. The warning is explicit towards journalists. What happened to the founder and editor of WikiLeaks can happen to you on a newspaper, you in a TV studio, you on radio, you running a podcast.

Assange’s principal media tormentor, the Guardian, a collaborator with the secret state, displayed its nervousness this week with an editorial that scaled new weasel heights. The Guardian has exploited the work of Assange and WikiLeaks in what its previous editor called “the greatest scoop of the last 30 years”. The paper creamed off WikiLeaks’ revelations and claimed the accolades and riches that came with them.

With not a penny going to Julian Assange or to WikiLeaks, a hyped Guardian book led to a lucrative Hollywood movie. The book’s authors, Luke Harding and David Leigh, turned on their source, abused him and disclosed the secret password Assange had given the paper in confidence, which was designed to protect a digital file containing leaked US embassy cables.

With Assange now trapped in the Ecuadorean embassy, Harding joined the police outside and gloated on his blog that “Scotland Yard may get the last laugh”. The Guardian has since published a series of falsehoods about Assange, not least a discredited claim that a group of Russians and Trump’s man, Paul Manafort, had visited Assange in the embassy. The meetings never happened; it was fake..."

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« Reply #189 on: April 14, 2019, 12:09:03 PM »
Also...

After 7 Years of Deceptions About Assange, the US Readies for Its First Media Rendition: by Jonathon Cook.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/04/12/after-7-years-of-deceptions-about-assange-the-us-readies-for-its-first-media-rendition/

"... The political and media class crafted a narrative of half-truths about the sex charges Assange was under investigation for in Sweden. They overlooked the fact that Assange had been allowed to leave Sweden by the original investigator, who dropped the charges, only for them to be revived by another investigator with a well-documented political agenda.

They failed to mention that Assange was always willing to be questioned by Swedish prosecutors in London, as had occurred in dozens of other cases involving extradition proceedings to Sweden. It was almost as if Swedish officials did not want to test the evidence they claimed to have in their possession.

The media and political courtiers endlessly emphasised Assange’s bail violation in the UK, ignoring the fact that asylum seekers fleeing legal and political persecution don’t usually honour bail conditions imposed by the very state authorites from which they are seeking asylum.

The political and media establishment ignored the mounting evidence of a secret grand jury in Virginia formulating charges against Assange, and ridiculed Wikileaks’ concerns that the Swedish case might be cover for a more sinister attempt by the US to extradite Assange and lock him away in a high-security prison, as had happened to whistleblower Chelsea Manning.

They belittled the 2016 verdict of a panel of United Nations legal scholars that the UK was “arbitrarily detaining” Assange. The media were more interested in the welfare of his cat..."

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« Reply #190 on: April 14, 2019, 12:12:23 PM »


I can’t see who that is because his face is covered up.


Is it bad that I want to draw eyes on his hand?

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« Reply #191 on: April 14, 2019, 12:15:54 PM »
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« Reply #192 on: April 14, 2019, 12:19:19 PM »
John Hurt

Oh the chestburster scene.  I knew I recognised it.

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« Reply #194 on: April 14, 2019, 01:11:38 PM »
There you go; much easier.  Should have posted that picture in the first place.

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« Reply #195 on: April 14, 2019, 02:19:25 PM »
Have you always done double spaces after full stops?

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« Reply #196 on: April 14, 2019, 02:35:43 PM »
Have you always done double spaces after full stops?

Yes.

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« Reply #197 on: April 14, 2019, 02:59:44 PM »
I have since I was taught to in college. I know it’s a holdover from the days of typewriters, but it’s great on some phones as it automatically ends the last sentence and starts the new one.

Wait a minute, that means I’m doing two spaces but only getting credit for one! Bastards!

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Re: Assange has been arrested
« Reply #198 on: April 14, 2019, 04:03:55 PM »
I can’t see who that is because his face is covered up.


Is it bad that I want to draw eyes on his hand?

It's Uncle Tom Biden molesting himself

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« Reply #199 on: April 14, 2019, 06:18:51 PM »
It's Uncle Tom Biden molesting himself

Not John Hurt then?  Or as well as John Hurt?

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« Reply #200 on: April 14, 2019, 08:34:53 PM »
It's pointless arguing with you on this but consider if you will, who are the police?  Who enforces law on criminal states?  Or do they just get a free pass because it's "illegal" for ordinary people to know or see the murders these states and their monstrous politicians use our money for?

How would you feel if it was your family being murdered by these people, would you feel that it was better ignored?

And, to be absolutely clear, Simnock is the living definition of fatuous.

I bear you no ill will, of course but ask you to think about this (except the Simnock bit).

again, I feel there's a patronising tone to this line of questioning. you're taking the position that this is a binary matter, that either we all tolerate this & allow our children to be next, or that assange is here to save us with his revelations. there's a middle ground, which includes a responsible attitude to letting those we elect do what they're paid for, respecting matters of national security, & occasionally admonishing our government when their hired goons get out of hand. I don't like it, but it's how things are. what assange did was reckless, & an insult to his earlier career as a journalist. but it also looks as though he's been stitched up, & that's the bit where I find I have some sympathy for him.



We're talking about kids and what they see. If you don't know what an Apache helicopter is, or the Iraq war, it's meaningless; if you're old enough to understand what's happening, you're old enough to see it.

It won't even, by itself, be nearly enough to counter the lifetime of indoctrination everyone receives from politicians, news media, video-games and Pentagon-funded and script-approved movie and TV propaganda, but it's better than nothing.

Would you want to risk even five minutes in an American jail? A year ago Lauri Love avoided extradition specifically because the courts agreed (with everyone who has heard of America) that sending someone to the "mediaeval" US is cruel and unusual punishment. In 2012 a certain T May stopped the extradition of Gary McKinnon to the US on similar humanitarian grounds.

I don't know if by handing Assange over to Sweden we leave the decision up to them, but if I was him I think I'd rather trust UK courts, with a history of at least protecting accused hackers, in a defence against the US.

well, the grain & dust was your description of it. to me it was quite clearly a real helicopter full of blokes shooting at real people, helpless on the ground. & again, a debate is impossible when you reduce it to either/or. my five-year-old could probably figure out from the footage & the tone of the voices that this is some real shit happening, & the lack of a reasonable explanation for it would probably give him some distress. I think there are many adult viewers who could find this footage on (e.g.) the guardian's website & be similarly shocked. the idea that age has anything to do with understanding what's going on is (to borrow a term from Buelligan) fatuous. for some viewers, it is definitely enough to make the scales fall from their eyes. for others, proof of what we knew all along, that occasionally in war (whether we approve of the military intervention or not) there will be incidences of trigger-happiness.
but assange isn't tim page. I think the people who appear to be trying to stitch him up now need to take a good long look at themselves & their part in his predicament, but he's also been careless himself.

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« Reply #201 on: April 14, 2019, 09:08:39 PM »
Not John Hurt then?  Or as well as John Hurt?

"50 pence a mushroom".

If you can name the album that line is from (DAT recording from a market stall), then I'll tell you who it really is.

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« Reply #202 on: April 14, 2019, 09:14:02 PM »
"50 pence a mushroom".

If you can name the album that line is from (DAT recording from a market stall), then I'll tell you who it really is.

if you put "50p a mushroom" into the advanced search exact phrase box, there is one hit. someone call dave gorman.

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« Reply #203 on: April 14, 2019, 09:18:59 PM »
again, I feel there's a patronising tone to this line of questioning. you're taking the position that this is a binary matter, that either we all tolerate this & allow our children to be next, or that assange is here to save us with his revelations. there's a middle ground, which includes a responsible attitude to letting those we elect do what they're paid for, respecting matters of national security, & occasionally admonishing our government when their hired goons get out of hand. I don't like it, but it's how things are. what assange did was reckless, & an insult to his earlier career as a journalist. but it also looks as though he's been stitched up, & that's the bit where I find I have some sympathy for him.

Sorry you felt patronised, hope you'll think about it anyway.

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« Reply #204 on: April 14, 2019, 09:20:00 PM »
Sorry you felt patronised, hope you'll think about it anyway.

I have small children. what do you think keeps me awake, besides them?

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« Reply #205 on: April 14, 2019, 09:22:37 PM »
You work nights, don't you?  So I expect work does.

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« Reply #206 on: April 14, 2019, 09:38:29 PM »
You work nights, don't you?  So I expect work does.

:-)

shifts. mixture. nights atm, then in the morning to the airport for ten days with the mrs & the kids.

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« Reply #207 on: April 14, 2019, 09:56:44 PM »
if you put "50p a mushroom" into the advanced search exact phrase box, there is one hit. someone call dave gorman.

And the hit is about someone buying single lightbulbs from a car boot sale

https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3310&pos=130&pid=111206

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« Reply #208 on: April 14, 2019, 10:51:15 PM »
They’re really sticking to boot in over at Murdoch Towers.

https://news.sky.com/story/julian-assange-wikileaks-founders-life-in-ecuadorian-embassy-captured-on-security-camera-11694026

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It comes after Assange's lawyer accused Ecuador of making "outrageous" claims about his actions in their London embassy.
Jennifer Robinson told Sky News that claims about her client's behaviour - including that he had smeared walls with faeces - were fabricated as a pretext to force him out.
Ecuador has claimed Assange had to be reminded to flush the toilet, left dirty underwear in the lavatory, did not clean dishes and left the cooker on.

Petty, spiteful, vindictive.

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« Reply #209 on: April 15, 2019, 02:57:29 AM »
lol that he went all in on trump as his saviour, enthusiastically smooching and tongpunching his distended anus in the hopes of a pardon and now trump's all "gillian a-whatnow?".

people sincerely putting faith in trump might be the funniest shit on the planet right now.