Author Topic: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker  (Read 3864 times)

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #120 on: April 15, 2019, 07:29:40 PM »
It seemed to come back around 96/97 when they brought out the remastered VHS versions of the OT, which sparked a nostalgia effect.

I was born in 1985 but that's when Star Wars started to exist for me. I liked Phantom Menace when I saw it in the cinema but lost interest after and I've still never seen 2 or 3. Probably like lots of people, really. I saw the new ones, but didn't bother with Solo.

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2019, 07:48:09 PM »
Palpatine’s Return Was in the Plans for a Long Time, Says Kathleen Kennedy.

They're all gonna come back, aren't they? Anakin, Obi-Wan, the ewoks... even Jar-Jar.

Even Jar Jar.

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« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2019, 10:22:07 PM »
Definitely. Nobody meaningful, or even recognisable, can fully die in an enterprise this reliant on nostalgia. Kind of makes everything pointless and even the death of an actor doesn't make a jot of difference.

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« Reply #123 on: April 16, 2019, 12:08:55 AM »

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« Reply #124 on: April 16, 2019, 12:24:29 AM »
Palpatine’s Return Was in the Plans for a Long Time, Says Kathleen Kennedy.

They're all gonna come back, aren't they? Anakin, Obi-Wan, the ewoks... even Jar-Jar.

Even Jar Jar.

I’d accept it - if it was to canonise the “Jar Jar is evil and the secret mastermind behind everything” meme/fan theory.

It occurred to me... is the “long time ago/far far away” thing actually a millstone round the neck of anyone wanting to expand the SW universe? It drains the setting of any real context, any connection we can form to it. It worked for the first film (and maybe the second - I’m talking ANH & TESB in case it’s not clear) because it had novelty, and spectacle, and archetypal characters and storylines. They were our gateway drug. Without them, what have you got in any new SW? More planets, more starship designs, more weird aliens. And lightning won’t strike twice, not even with good characterisation and engaging plots.

Star Trek by comparison manages it because there is still some glimmer of Roddenberry’s original running through it, however bastardised. And we can relate to things like GoT because of the ways it plays in mediaeval history and existing legendary tropes, and we’re already familiar with that kind of fantasy setting. But we have no real cultural or historical points of reference in that old far away galaxy to latch on to.

So we end up not really caring about the Mandalorian, there’s no emotional context there to build on, however much they might try to push, say, a “Wild West bounty hunter but in space, with aliens” vibe. And the actor’s name just makes me want to punch him.

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2019, 04:24:33 AM »
Every time somebody says this I think they are talking about "Episode 1:  The Fantom Anus".

Good isn't it.

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #126 on: April 19, 2019, 10:43:30 AM »
I remember in the RLM review of Rogue One (I think) Rich Evans noting that the dirty secret about Star Wars is that it's a very limited universe, with only a very small number of possible stories. Far from being an entire galaxy of adventure, the options availalbe for films is so restrictive that it's surprising the Weiss/Benioff and Johnson trilogies are still moving forward. What can they possibly be about and how will they appeal to audiences, when much if not most of Star Wars's appeal to the general public is the characters rather than the setting?
I don't think that's inherently true, as the original EU showed, but the way Disney have done things it might as well have been

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #127 on: April 19, 2019, 06:48:39 PM »
That ties in with the point I made above; the EU was popular (some of the books were even bestsellers?) but it’s still a relatively niche audience (people who read SF&F) and nowhere near the sort of audience numbers that a billion-dollar blockbuster movie commands.

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #128 on: April 19, 2019, 07:47:23 PM »
That ties in with the point I made above; the EU was popular

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #129 on: April 19, 2019, 10:34:18 PM »
I think with Star Wars they were hoping it'd go more down the route of spin-offs. Boba Fett, Obi Wan, Jabba, etc to cover them for the next few years. But after the "failure" of Solo, they've quite understandably chucked that plan.

I think they need to stop thinking in trilogies, too. Just cos the original was, it doesn't mean they all have to be. Decent standalone films set in the universe could be interesting. But of course, everything has to be a trilogy or a "Universe" with all the same characters interacting over an over these days

That said, I don't think either of the planned new trilogies from Rian Johnson or the Game Of Thrones blokes will happen. There doesn't appear to be much anticipation or excitement for either at the moment, following TLJ, and Thrones being a bit shit lately

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« Reply #130 on: April 19, 2019, 11:49:38 PM »
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Oh, you knew perfectly well what I meant, you silly sausage!

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« Reply #131 on: April 19, 2019, 11:57:30 PM »
Oh, you knew perfectly well what I meant, you silly sausage!

But we all had a good laugh and that’s the main thing!

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« Reply #132 on: April 20, 2019, 02:01:14 AM »
It will be hilarious if Palpatine is barely even in this new one, a la Luke's voice-over for The Force Awakens teaser before it turned out the character actually appeared for mere seconds. I'm not 100% convinced by McDiarmid appearing on stage at that recent thing either. I suspect it's all a bit of wrong-footing.
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« Reply #133 on: April 20, 2019, 05:09:31 AM »
Imagine in 2012 thinking Disney was going to 'save' Star Wars and now on reflection realising you're maybe too old to care.

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« Reply #134 on: April 20, 2019, 10:04:27 AM »
It will be hilarious if Palpatine is barely even in this new one, a la Luke's voice-over for The Force Awakens teaser before it turned out the character actually appeared for mere seconds. I'm not 100% convinced by McDiarmid appearing on stage at that recent thing either. I suspect it's all a bit of wrong-footing.

I imagine he'll appear in one scene as a ghostly figure tempting or mocking Rey or Kylo and that will be it. All this chatter online for what will probably be one conversation.

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« Reply #135 on: April 20, 2019, 11:15:51 AM »
He'll turn up at the end and thank the audience for watching Star Wars

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #136 on: April 20, 2019, 01:46:19 PM »
So we end up not really caring about the Mandalorian, there’s no emotional context there to build on, however much they might try to push, say, a “Wild West bounty hunter but in space, with aliens” vibe. And the actor’s name just makes me want to punch him.

I'm breaking my rule of not posting within Star Wars threads (I'd sooner forget that experience) to say that actually, The Mandalorian is looking pretty good.  Fuck the disaster of the sequel trilogy.  I'd given up on the series but have a look at this.  It feels bizarre to say it, but I'm actually excited for new Star Wars.  Pinch me, Werner Herzog.

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #137 on: April 20, 2019, 02:09:27 PM »
I'm breaking my rule of not posting within Star Wars threads (I'd sooner forget that experience) to say that actually, The Mandalorian is looking pretty good.  Fuck the disaster of the sequel trilogy.  I'd given up on the series but have a look at this.  It feels bizarre to say it, but I'm actually excited for new Star Wars.  Pinch me, Werner Herzog.

Fucking hell, it actually is Herzog and all! That info had somehow passed me by. Anyway, looks promising. The characters and dialogue seem to have room to breathe and it actually still feels like Star Wars.

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #138 on: April 20, 2019, 05:55:28 PM »
He'll turn up at the end and thank the audience for watching Star Wars

This, but he’s also dabbing and reminding viewers to buy figurines.

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #139 on: April 20, 2019, 06:02:04 PM »
I imagine he'll appear in one scene as a ghostly figure tempting or mocking Rey or Kylo and that will be it. All this chatter online for what will probably be one conversation.

Isn’t Kylo Rey one person?

Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #140 on: April 20, 2019, 06:04:31 PM »
Ren. Rey. Finn. Han. Ben. Jinn. Jyn. Twats

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« Reply #141 on: April 20, 2019, 06:24:01 PM »
Ren. Rey. Finn. Han. Ben. Jinn. Jyn.

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #142 on: Yesterday at 12:15:50 AM »
But we all had a good laugh and that’s the main thing!



It will be hilarious if Palpatine is barely even in this new one, a la Luke's voice-over for The Force Awakens teaser before it turned out the character actually appeared for mere seconds. I'm not 100% convinced by McDiarmid appearing on stage at that recent thing either. I suspect it's all a bit of wrong-footing.

JJ Abrams: “Oh, no, Ian McDearmid isn’t playing Palpatine, he’s playing a new character called John Harrison.”

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Re: Star Wars ep IX: The Rise Of Skywalker
« Reply #143 on: Yesterday at 12:43:12 PM »
Again really I think Disney hiring Abrams set them on the path to limited short term success. Solo's failiure was I think a mix of negative reaction to Last Jedi, its release date close to Infinity War and it depending too much on nostalgia.

There does seem to be a lot of confusion between a continued attraction to a franchise and nostalgia for it, the former is generally going to be wanting to see it carry on producing somewhat similar cinema of good quality, the latter is going to be tweeking childhood memories and is always going to have a limited shelf life.