Saving Syria's Children Did The BBC Lie? (Crowdfunded doc by Victor Lewis-Smith)

[sponk]

A man named Robert Stuart has been trying to prove that the Panorama episode that showed chemical attacks in Syria was fake.   Victor Lewis-Smith has been tweeting about it for a couple of years now, and it seems the documentary is finally going to be made, if its crowdfunding target is met.

Overview
Did BBC Panorama collude with ISIS and other jihadist groups in Syria to stage an atrocity?
Are the alleged "napalm" injuries real?
Why was the first report broadcast as parliament was voting on bombing Damascus?
Is the UK charity featured linked to terrorism?
Has a key witness been identified and will she go on record to blow the whistle?
What are the consequences for the BBC's global reputation?
Is This Scene Real?

I'm surprised this story hasn't received any mainstream attention, some of the evidence seems convincing. I'd love to see the doc get made, but it doesn't look too promising from the amount of money raised so far. If it's true, then the BBC is fucked, surely?

[biggytitbo]

I've been following this story for a few years and there are lots of questions for them to answer, who put them up to filming with these jihadi 'rebels', how much did the BBC know about their activities, was the BBC aware of any Western intellegence involvement with these groups and did the BBC take part or observe any staged incidents, including the one shown in the panorama clip.


It would hardly be surprising if that entire episode, timed as it was to help UK politicians push for military intervention, was the work of the intellignce services and the BBC were  doing their job was mouthpieces of state propoganda. That said, this does seem one step too far, in terms of how blatant it would be, for the BBC to have been actively involved with this, more likely they were someone else's useful idiots.

[sponk]

"It was worse than a crime, it was a blunder"

[sponk]

I've been following this story for a few years and there are lots of questions for them to answer, who put them up to filming with these jihadi 'rebels', how much did the BBC know about their activities, was the BBC aware of any Western intellegence involvement with these groups and did the BBC take part or observe any staged incidents, including the one shown in the panorama clip.


It would hardly be surprising if that entire episode, timed as it was to help UK politicians push for military intervention, was the work of the intellignce services and the BBC were  doing their job was mouthpieces of state propoganda. That said, this does seem one step too far, in terms of how blatant it would be, for the BBC to have been actively involved with this, more likely they were someone else's useful idiots.

Hey bigs dont you think it's "convenient" that the Notre Dame fire happened tonight and is pushing this thread down the replies list, into obscurity?

[BlodwynPig]

Bye bye BBC!!!! Get in!!!

Please show pics of Celebs leaving Beeb HQ with cardboard boxes...david tennant, walliams, strictly people... you lot propped up this empire made of emperors new clothes

[thenoise]

It'll have as much effect on the BBC as unlawful killing did on the royal family.

[José]

Hey bigs dont you think it's "convenient" that the Notre Dame fire happened tonight and is pushing this thread down the replies list, into obscurity?

i heard the fire was caused by faulty gas lighting.

[Delete Delete Delete]

I hope the Gay Daleks get a cameo.

[Flouncer]

Terry the Tumour should present it.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Bye bye BBC!!!! Get in!!!

Please show pics of Celebs leaving Beeb HQ with cardboard boxes...david tennant, walliams, strictly people... you lot propped up this empire made of emperors new clothes

What an interesting, witty and surprising response.

[Shit Good Nose]

I don't know anything about this at all, but having seen plenty of all-too-real other footage of the aftermath of other chemical attacks, first impressions of the clip in the OP - howlingly obviously fake.  999 levels of dramatic reconstruction there.

[BlodwynPig]

What an interesting, witty and surprising response.

What a novel, detailed, and unexpected reply. Are you Nick 'secrets' Witchell?

[Flouncer]

I don't know anything about this at all, but having seen plenty of all-too-real other footage of the aftermath of other chemical attacks, first impressions of the clip in the OP - howlingly obviously fake.  999 levels of dramatic reconstruction there.

Still pretty gruesome though (the scenes with Keith Allen, I mean).

[Twed]

Can somebody summarise if I'm supposed to be for or against this? Note: I will base my reaction on who you are. That's only fair.

[sponk]

It'll have as much effect on the BBC as unlawful killing did on the royal family.

I found UK entertaining but badly researched. For example, they made a huge deal out of the "incredible" amount of time it took to get Di to the hospital, obviously implying that they may have been driving slowly to let her die on purpose, when the time taken was actually pretty reasonably explained by the driver and doctor in the ambulance - they decided to go slowly and steadily so they could provide treatment more effectively.

[biggytitbo]

It doesn't really offer much new aside from pointing out the fact the inquest itself provided lots of evidence for conspiracy, which it then mostly glossed over.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

What a novel, detailed, and unexpected reply. Are you Nick 'secrets' Witchell?

No.

[BlodwynPig]

No.

it's good to hear...a truly despicable man.

[thenoise]

What a fascinating and enlightening debate you two are having.  Thanks for not taking it to PMs!

[BlodwynPig]

What a fascinating and enlightening debate you two are having.  Thanks for not taking it to PMs!

We have also been in the PMs.

(more fascination right here!)

[Flouncer]

We have also been in the PMs.

(more fascination right here!)

Can't you just meet up somewhere, bring a ruler, and figure out who's got the biggest nob?

[BlodwynPig]

He has

[biggytitbo]

Flaccid or engorged?

[biggytitbo]

Neocon gatekeeper Oliver Kamm has layed into Keith Allen for promoting this absurd conspiracy theory. Hours later -

[Paul Calf]

I've been following this story for a few years and there are lots of questions for them to answer...

This is the best half-sentence I've ever read.

[Pepotamo1985]

I don't know anything about this at all, but having seen plenty of all-too-real other footage of the aftermath of other chemical attacks, first impressions of the clip in the OP - howlingly obviously fake.  999 levels of dramatic reconstruction there.

I've spoken to GMC-registered med professionals who share your view. From a personal perspective, having seen people who behave when they've been injured in a 'mere' building fire first-hand, I can say with a high degree of subjective certainty that those scenes are total bullshit.

Huffington Post's indefatigably dodgy Chris York also wrote a hatchet job on Robert Stuart's project, interviewing a decidedly 'interesting' hostile environment training firm to support his attacks - I've written a bit about them (https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1124664459757346816) and there'll be more to come very soon.

[biggytitbo]

Chris York is the absolute pits.

[biggytitbo]

[idunnosomename]

Neocon gatekeeper Oliver Kamm has layed into Keith Allen for promoting this absurd conspiracy theory.

Oliver Kamm is a sack of turds I will give you that. About his only claim to fame is being the son of the translator of the Asterix books (and a lot of the English jokes).

Still, a fucking bourgeois cunt

[biggytitbo]

He's not even a very good cunt, he's the poor man's David Aaronovitch, who at least is an accomplished cunt.