Poll

Who did you vote for in the Euro elections

Tories
5 (2%)
Labour
90 (36.4%)
Change UK
5 (2%)
Green
49 (19.8%)
SNP
18 (7.3%)
Plaid Cymru
9 (3.6%)
Lib Dems
22 (8.9%)
UKIP
5 (2%)
Fascist Party
12 (4.9%)
Other party (UK)
2 (0.8%)
Other party (Other EU country)
4 (1.6%)
I can't vote
3 (1.2%)
DUP
0 (0%)
SF
1 (0.4%)
SDLP
0 (0%)
UUP
1 (0.4%)
I wouldn't vote
12 (4.9%)
That bloke who pulls himself off next to the Aldi on Smithdown Road
9 (3.6%)

Total Members Voted: 247

Author Topic: Euro Election 2019  (Read 48184 times)

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #120 on: April 27, 2019, 08:07:58 AM »
Well I hope they split the vote on the right, last thing we need is The Brexit Party doing as well as they're polling.

UKIP is now the BNP effectively.

Every time I think of the Brexit Party I just hear Simon Day's character bellowing WE HAD A VOTE, WE 'ADDDD AYYYY VOTTTTTEEAAAHHHH

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #121 on: April 27, 2019, 10:38:36 AM »
I don't understand why yer UKIP voters wouldn't switch over to The Brexit Party. TBP seems to be everything those mad bastards used to love about UKIP, whereas UKIP itself has become a party that seems to be positioning itself towards a broad church of people who once upon a time liked the BNP, folk who go to Football Lads Alliance marches and internet libertarian shut-ins. As much as I frown upon UKIP-types, I don't think they'd want to be associated with the types of alt-right people that are now running for election under the banner.

I reckon UKIP are going to be annihilated. Their only hope is that all their voter base do not watch the news and have no idea The Brexit Party exists and won't bother to read the ballot paper properly.

I suspect this may actually happen. A lot of my family are incessantly posting Brexit Party shit on Facebook and whenever I saw this (before hiding all of their posts), my first thought was always "you're going to be so confused when you see UKIP on the ballot". I still have some hope that things like this will play out on a wider scale, and will split the right-wing vote.

Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #122 on: April 27, 2019, 11:36:48 PM »
As much as I frown upon UKIP-types, I don't think they'd want to be associated with the types of alt-right people that are now running for election under the banner.

Agreed. English traditionalists don't like rudeness. They'll be virulently racist, but they'll do it quietly and in genteel language without confrontation. Boorishly defending your rape joke at a press conference is the kind of Trumpian thing that might go down well with American-style bastards, but if you're an old fashioned home counties English bastard it's just going to curdle your tea.

Here's the real question for me though: there's a sizable proportion of the electorate who believe Brexit is the right move, but they don't like Nigel Farage and his style of politics. Normally they'd be Tory voters, but since the Tories have cocked up Brexit, who are they going to vote for?

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #123 on: April 28, 2019, 07:56:41 AM »
Ghostbusters

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #124 on: April 28, 2019, 08:06:40 AM »
Agreed. English traditionalists don't like rudeness. They'll be virulently racist, but they'll do it quietly and in genteel language without confrontation. Boorishly defending your rape joke at a press conference is the kind of Trumpian thing that might go down well with American-style bastards, but if you're an old fashioned home counties English bastard it's just going to curdle your tea.

Here's the real question for me though: there's a sizable proportion of the electorate who believe Brexit is the right move, but they don't like Nigel Farage and his style of politics. Normally they'd be Tory voters, but since the Tories have cocked up Brexit, who are they going to vote for?

Don't forget people who've been raped, who know someone who's been raped and those capable of compassion, same for the British people who are not Anglo-Saxon white or those who simply object to unpardonable shitty behaviour - I know, these people actually exist, even within traditional English households, you be surprised.

As for people too fastidious to vote for Farage, considering voting UKIP because Brexit, perhaps they should think again.  If it looks and smells like a thing, why hold your nose and swallow it?  Only a fucking idiot would do that.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #125 on: April 28, 2019, 12:49:51 PM »
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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #126 on: April 28, 2019, 01:02:06 PM »
My polling card came through this weekend - so excited! Can't wait to vote for Labour and its constructive ambiguity on Brexit

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #127 on: April 28, 2019, 02:57:59 PM »
Taking others out of the equation, that's 48% to Remain leaning parties and 46 to Brexit leaning ones.

In reality though, some of Labour's % will be working class Leavers/people without strong opinions on the topic.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #128 on: April 28, 2019, 03:24:45 PM »
If only the various hard remain parties had agreed to stand on a single ticket they could have won this. But that's the problem with standing as a unified remain option at the eu elections - it's a unicorn, they can't even agree on what version of remain they want, every form of remain is undeliverable, etc.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #129 on: April 28, 2019, 05:50:45 PM »
Tories official position is that they are aiming not to fight the Euro elections - is that the same level of realism as my aim for the Queen to be thrown into a lake then liquidated by intergalactic toad warriors?

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #130 on: April 28, 2019, 06:05:10 PM »
Tories official position is that they are aiming not to fight the Euro elections - is that the same level of realism as my aim for the Queen to be thrown into a lake then liquidated by intergalactic toad warriors?

I guess "We never intended to fight this election!" is something to say when having to explain why they get completely disastrous results to deflect attention away from why it actually happened.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #131 on: April 28, 2019, 06:50:41 PM »
Will they try the same line when it comes to the locals?

Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #132 on: April 28, 2019, 06:58:17 PM »
Imagine even considering voting for this piece of shit. Why, it would make you a piece of shit too.

Farage raises hackles in Oldham by saying town is split on racial lines

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/28/nigel-farage-raises-hackles-oldham-by-saying-town-split-on-racial-lines?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #133 on: April 28, 2019, 07:51:52 PM »
Imagine even considering voting for this piece of shit. Why, it would make you a piece of shit too.

Farage raises hackles in Oldham by saying town is split on racial lines

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/28/nigel-farage-raises-hackles-oldham-by-saying-town-split-on-racial-lines?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Although anyone who says they would vote for Pol Pot if he stood on a pro-Brexit platform is clearly deranged.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #134 on: April 28, 2019, 10:54:44 PM »
Although anyone who says they would vote for Pol Pot if he stood on a pro-Brexit platform is clearly deranged.


This is assuming pol pot is in favour of leaving the EU, for all we know he may have been a keen euro federalist, he was a monster after all.


Still, say what you like about pol pot but at least he isn't Gavin Esler.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #135 on: April 29, 2019, 04:08:48 PM »

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #136 on: April 29, 2019, 04:28:56 PM »
I don't regard anyone voting Green as voting against us, thought that was weird.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #137 on: April 29, 2019, 05:11:24 PM »
If you open the door to the tories or worse, you are voting against hope for anyone likely to suffer under them.  The Greens are great, Caroline Lucas is great but they can't defeat the Right.  Labour needs to genuinely adopt some root and branch Green policies, which will mean a win for the Greens, for Labour and for everyone including the lovely planet (even for Tommeh in a way).

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #138 on: April 29, 2019, 05:17:28 PM »
It isn't really a "win" for the Brexit Party to gain the most seats (I'm not sure this will happen, anyway), as they're all alone in the EP, whereas (some of the) other parties are going to join alliances.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #139 on: April 29, 2019, 05:17:51 PM »
If you open the door to the tories or worse, you are voting against hope for anyone likely to suffer under them.  The Greens are great, Caroline Lucas is great but they can't defeat the Right.  Labour needs to genuinely adopt some root and branch Green policies, which will mean a win for the Greens, for Labour and for everyone including the lovely planet (even for Tommeh in a way).

Labour need to get the climate emergency things publicised but in the EuroElections the Greens are the left winger Remain-at-all-costs option. The rest are right wing. Labour at best will agree to campaign for a confirmatory vote but they won't suddenly campaign to stop Brexit.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #140 on: April 29, 2019, 05:19:12 PM »
It isn't really a "win" for the Brexit Party to gain the most seats (I'm not sure this will happen, anyway), as they're all alone in the EP, whereas (some of the) other parties are going to join alliances.

Well precisely. A strong showing for the Greens is highly preferable in this election and we should be encouraging all people who can't find themselves able to vote Labour for their various fuckwitted reasons to jump onto the Greens, who will work with Labour and other stronger Green blocs.

Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #141 on: April 29, 2019, 05:35:06 PM »
When in Belgium recently it was on the menu for around 20 euros a bottle...when I go back in June I might actually stump up for it.

I've never paid more than 12 euros for a bottle and... I think it so I'll say it... its not THAT great. It's very nice but the Rochefort 10 is comparible at about a quarter of the price. If you really want to splash out on a treat look out for one of these guys.

https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/struise-pannepot-special-reserva-bordeaux-b-a/618319/

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #142 on: April 29, 2019, 05:42:44 PM »
You can still find it around and about Belgian cities for €10-15. As above, whether you should or not is another matter.

Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #143 on: April 29, 2019, 08:34:11 PM »
It isn't really a "win" for the Brexit Party to gain the most seats (I'm not sure this will happen, anyway), as they're all alone in the EP, whereas (some of the) other parties are going to join alliances.

In that sense their 2014 win wasn't a win either, but it obviously led to them getting what they wanted.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #144 on: April 29, 2019, 09:37:06 PM »
Imagine even considering voting for this piece of shit. Why, it would make you a piece of shit too.

Farage raises hackles in Oldham by saying town is split on racial lines

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/28/nigel-farage-raises-hackles-oldham-by-saying-town-split-on-racial-lines?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Jesus. What a race-war-mongering cunt. What has any of that stuff got to do with the purported reasons for leaving the EU? The reality is there isn't a fag paper's difference between Farage and current UKIP. Anyone voting for him should be thoroughly ashamed. "Oh he was speaking on his off day".

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Whole streets in Oldham of people who have lived in my country for over 30 years who don’t speak a word of the English language. These, folks, are divided societies in which resentments build and grow.”

Resentments specifically and gleefully exploited by white supremacists like you.

Farage, Ukip, the Brexit party, they are all the BNP in rebranded togs.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #145 on: April 29, 2019, 09:41:48 PM »
If you were that much of a cunt that you still voted for a party led by Farage you have probably already considered that any violence that results is 'nothing to do with me'.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #146 on: April 30, 2019, 07:26:12 AM »
I'm not taking lectures from anyone who either supports the EU or supports overturning the biggest democratic vote in our history. THANKS VERY MUCH.

Anyway, looks like today could be the day Labour's constructive ambiguity policy that has served them quite well so far comes to an end - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/29/brexit-labour-urged-to-resolve-second-referendum-crisis

Also the day Labour's nailed on current chance of outright winning the next election ends imo.

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #147 on: April 30, 2019, 07:41:10 AM »
As does your pretence of socialism.

Still going to vote Labour in the locals, bigs? Or are you also going to abandon the pretence that voting for fascists was anything other than contrarian attention-seeking?

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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #148 on: April 30, 2019, 08:15:20 AM »
My position on voting labour at real elections that mean anything is unchanged - eg local and general. Again, not taking lectures from people whose actions directly enable actual far right parties.

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If labour do come out with a 'confirmatory referendum' on any deal, I still don't get what that means in practice.

Aside from the fact a 2nd ref is a terrible idea full stop, will be horribly divisive and probably indecisive, how can you have a referendum on the political declaration? It's just a waffly pamphlet containing a vague wish list that can't be binding and can't be fleshed out until the withdrawal act is passed - its like having a referendum on someones manifesto, but even less binding than that. 

If it's on the WA itself, that has to be passed for any form of brexit to occur anyway, so it essentially just becomes another referendum on brexit?




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Re: Euro Election 2019
« Reply #149 on: April 30, 2019, 08:22:53 AM »
My position on voting labour at real elections that mean anything is unchanged - eg local and general. Again, not taking lectures from people whose actions directly enable actual far right parties.


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