Euro Election 2019

[biggytitbo]

Mussolini is actually a candidate at the EU elections!

[biggytitbo]

How can I be racist if there's a racist Danish candidate!

This might be the worst argument you've ever made on here.

The fact all you can do is call everyone racist means you have totally lost the argument.

[Paul Calf]

I'm not convinced that your apparent inability to grasp what Shoulders is saying is sincere.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

The fact all you can do is call everyone racist means you have totally lost the argument.

Are you even actually reading other people's posts at this point?

[biggytitbo]

The longer you fail to grasp that wanting to leave the EU isn't racist the more you will, very deservedly, keep losing.

[Paul Calf]

I'm not convinced that your apparent inability to grasp what Shoulders is saying is sincere.

[biggytitbo]

Are you even actually reading other people's posts at this point?

Yes, I read where you called the Danish NHS dentist standing for the brexit party as a protest that we aren't leaving the EU a racist based on no evidence.

And I replied that calling everyone racist means you have lost the argument.

Can you read?


We want to leave the EU. That is no more or less racist than giving up pasta.

[Zetetic]

[biggytitbo]

Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy that you guys want to keep pursuing that strategy where you keep losing. You never learn do you?

[Fambo Number Mive]

A lot of far-right organisations in the UK either aren't political parties (EDL), have been deregistered (Britain First) or don't stand that many candidates (the BNP stood 10 at the last general election), therefore it's difficult to compare levels of support  for nationalism based on electoral results.

[Buelligan]

Where have I done that?

That's exactly what you're doing in the post I quoted

Trotting out the greatest hits there, but no less lame and discredited than it was the last time you said it. All the evidence shows the UK is one of the most tolerant countries in the EU. In Italy this weekend real facists, devotees of Mussolini, where marching in the streets. There was a story yesterday about 24,000 neo nazis in Germany, half ready to use violence. The closest we have to these horrors is an Asian lad throwing a milkshake on Tommy Robinson and everyone laughing at him.

where you're attempting to diminish the very real threat that intolerant violent cunts like Robinson pose to Britain.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Zetetic]

[Zetetic]

Comparing distributions of support for political parties is more difficult when one country is dominated by FPTP elections and the consequences of that for individual parties. Having far-right elements fall out of parties - e.g. UKIP from the Conservatives - is relatively rare in the UK, yes.

[Zetetic]

Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy that you guys want to keep pursuing that strategy where you keep losing. You never learn do you?

I'm supporting your case, aren't are?

Some people won't be helped.

[Darles Chickens]

A lot of far-right organisations in the UK either aren't political parties (EDL), have been deregistered (Britain First) or don't stand that many candidates (the BNP stood 10 at the last general election), therefore it's difficult to compare levels of support  for nationalism based on electoral results.

Also, as I pointed out before, some support for nationalist parties has little to do with the EU specifically. Vox in Spain is the natural home for Francoists, a demographic which has existed in those kind of numbers since the fall of the dictatorship in 1975. These people have always been around, EU or not. It's just now they have a place to go. And the voting system means they get representation.

[Armin Meiwes]

The fact all you can do is call everyone racist means you have totally lost the argument.

In contrast you aren't even able to ENGAGE in the argument. What is brexit? Farages brexit is not the same as Rees Moggs is not the same as Mays. You said you support the withdrawal agreement and yet you're voting for the person that says he doesn't. Why don't you guys go off and agree what brexit actually IS instead of wasting all the rest of our times with your protest votes for far right populists, because if you can't then there will inevitably have to be a second referendum and the section of the population that seems to have very little understanding of what the british democratic process is will be boring the fuck out of us moaning that this isn't democratic.

[Buelligan]

Everything's fine but are you completely wedded to the avatar?  No worries if it's a problem, I'll just beat one of the neighbours to death.

I've already chosen which one.

[chveik]

be grateful, at least he's not voting lib dems

[Armin Meiwes]

Everything's fine but are you completely wedded to the avatar?  No worries if it's a problem, I'll just beat one of the neighbours to death.

I've already chosen which one.

Don't be like that mate! Just remember: Kindness = Magic.

[Buelligan]

Very true. 

Please, kindly, magic away that horrible avatar, thanks in advance.

BTW, I'm shamelessly copying over this post (of mine) from the Brexit thread.  Just want to make sure that the connections between Farage and The Brexit Party, fascists, in general and particularly Tommy Robinson, UKIP, the BNP and the Freedom Association and its members are fully displayed.

Here's something of interest I just saw on facebook:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11694875

The Brexit Party is not a party despite being registered as one, it's a private company. You can't be a member of it, only donate money to it. These also means Farage doesn't have to declare where his funding is coming from.

Is that even legal? Why haven't the Electoral Commission told them to fuck off?

Fairly interesting to note that one of the company officers, Catherine Blaiklock, is presumeably, the same Catherine Blaiklock that resigned as Secretary of The Brexit Party in March

The leader of the new pro-Brexit party backed by Nigel Farage abruptly resigned on Wednesday after the Guardian asked her about a series of deleted anti-Islam Twitter messages sent before she took on the role.

Catherine Blaiklock, the leader of the Brexit party, repeatedly retweeted posts from far-right figures as well as sending her own messages. Among the messages she shared was one by Mark Collett, a former British National party (BNP) activist, referring to "white genocide".

The term is often used in extreme rightwing and racist online activism of the sort seen as having inspired the man suspected of shooting dead 50 people last week at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.

One of her own messages read: "Islam = submission – mostly to raping men it seems."

The news will call Farage's judgement into question after he left Ukip because of its "fixation" on Muslims and its alliance with far-right activist Tommy Robinson.

Blaiklock retweeted seven messages from Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

The tweets, sent between 2017 and this year, came from an account that Blaiklock deleted shortly after she co-founded the Brexit party. They were uncovered by researchers from Hope Not Hate, which monitors the far right, and have been seen by the Guardian.

After the Guardian asked Blaiklock about the messages, she said her role "was only ever supposed to be temporary", and involved mainly helping Farage set up the party and get it registered with the Electoral Commission.

but has remained listed as active on their board.

Another officer, Michael McGough, also appears to remain listed as active although

A senior official from Nigel Farage's pro-Brexit party has been removed after the Guardian uncovered antisemitic and other offensive Facebook posts he made, two weeks after the party leader quit her role for similar reasons.

The party said Michael McGough, its treasurer, had made "unacceptable statements" and would no longer have any role in the organisation.

Michael McGough is also listed as an Officer of The Freedom Association, whose other Officers include such luminaries as the applalling Norris McWhirter, Thatcher's old private secretary Sir Mark Worthington OBE, "retired" Tory MPs Theresa Gorman and Graham Riddick along with sitting Tory Philip Davies, partner of Esther McVey and UKippers Roger Helmer, Christoper Gill and Tim Congdon, the dreadful  cross-bencher, Baroness Caroline Cox bringing up the rear.

Please gas this house of cunts.

[Fambo Number Mive]

Private Eye's comments on Claire Fox of the Brexit Party: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/hp-sauce

[Buelligan]

Yes, I've loathed her for years.  She's on Politics Live sometimes and I often wonder why, someone at the BBC must be fixing it for her.  Absolute shitbag.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Private Eye's comments on Claire Fox of the Brexit Party: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/hp-sauce

Thanks for this.


Pity Private Eye is content to simply be a whisper in the night.

[jobotic]

Are we all still shocked that King of the Socialists Biggy is voting Farage?

Nigel Farage under fire over 'antisemitic tropes' on far-right US talkshow

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/06/nigel-farage-under-fire-alleged-antisemitic-tropes-far-right-us-talkshow-alex-jones?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

[Howj Begg]

Farage: "Because they hate Christianity. They deny, absolutely, our Judeo-Christian culture, which if you think about it actually are the roots, completely, of our nations and our civilisation. They deny that. They also want to abolish the nation state – they want to get rid of it. They want to replace it with the globalist project, and the European Union is the prototype for the new world order."

"if you think about it". Mate, ive thought about it, and as a Greek I can happily tell you that most of it comes from pagan Greece, and Rome, and Persia, and Egypt, and India

[Howj Begg]

Climate change is a "scam" intended to push forward this transnational government.

oh hey, biggy was hinting at this conspiracy theory only last week! birds of a feather will flock together

[Howj Begg]

It's a remarkable thing that the obvious antisemitic tropes of globalist, NWO etc are the least notable or worrying things about that interview. Take this for example:

The banking and political systems are working "hand in glove" in an attempt to disband nation states.

Now. What's interesting about this is the incorrect attribution. It's fairly well known that international mega corporations - who incidentally profit from polluting with vast misuse of Earth's resources - are the ones who want to effectively exist across nation states so they can avoid scrutiny of their methods, their business, their employment practises and their finances, and acquire power larger than governments'. Rich individuals want to avoid scrutiny in the same way.  But our working class hero hero Nige doesn't mention them at all. It's the evil "political systems", not commerce, not capital, but even the latter's ism, but "political systems": These "political systems" don't rerpresent the people. The real people. They invite others in. The problem is, lets characterise accurately: immigrants breaking up the purity of the etho-nation state, and foreigners having a role in the lawmaking of the nation - which of course, they always will do in a multi-polar world. Our Nige knows this, so he makes it clear who is his preferred lawmaker: it's Trump's America, whose current leader and ruling party share all his main concerns, and indulge in similar conspiracy theories, but which, in actual fact, are doing the things he decries, carving up nation states so they can be further made into vassals of corporations that that Nigel Farage or people serving in Trump's Depts of Energy have shares in.

It's so shit for the rest of us that a fascist demagogue like Farage takes in so many ppl in, at this particular point in time.

[pancreas]

Are we all still shocked that King of the Socialists Biggy is voting Farage?

Nigel Farage under fire over 'antisemitic tropes' on far-right US talkshow

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/06/nigel-farage-under-fire-alleged-antisemitic-tropes-far-right-us-talkshow-alex-jones?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Sorry but this is conspiracy theorising from the other side. If Farage wants to go on an anticapitalist discourse marathon, he should be entitled to do so without being accused of antisemitism, surely. Slagging off the banks does not mean slagging off the Jews—it doesn't mean that when Corbyn or McDonnell do it, so why should it mean so when someone else does? There's plenty of genuine right-wing demagoguery to accuse Farage of without resorting to this. Or am I missing something?

[DistressedArea]

You have to buy a load of wipes for a start. Hundreds and hundreds of them. All different ones as well, because you can't use a kitchen wipe or a bathroom wipe to clean the AIDS of a defibrillator.

[gib]

Sorry but this is conspiracy theorising from the other side. If Farage wants to go on an anticapitalist discourse marathon, he should be entitled to do so without being accused of antisemitism, surely. Slagging off the banks does not mean slagging off the Jews—it doesn't mean that when Corbyn or McDonnell do it, so why should it mean so when someone else does? There's plenty of genuine right-wing demagoguery to accuse Farage of without resorting to this. Or am I missing something?

Whatever you're missing, i missed it too.