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Twed

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Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« on: April 24, 2019, 04:07:19 PM »
Top-tier, no?

Take a listen to Mint Jams if you need an introduction. And then when you're finished, remember that this was live. Fucking live!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GEI3PpXEAo

They invented arcade game music before arcade games had music. You don't even need to read an interview with the composer for Out Run to know that Casiopea were one of their biggest influences. You can just assume and be correct.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2019, 05:49:35 PM »
That's (pardon the pun) mint.

You should also try some of these

Cortex

Puppenhaus - Jazz Macht Spazz

Richard Tee

Masato Honda

The incomparable Billy Cobham

(get all four of Cobham's Drum 'n' Voice albums - pure electric fusion)


Twed

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2019, 07:14:57 PM »
I'm going to Blodywn. I am going to try those.

Twed

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2019, 07:18:17 PM »
remember that this was live. Fucking live!
The only clue to this is the end, which unbelievably makes me teary-eyed, for it such a beautiful, joyful thing: https://youtu.be/6GEI3PpXEAo?t=2021


Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2019, 07:27:36 PM »
I like mid-period Return to Forever for this sort of thing. And yes, complete agreement about computer game music, I don't know why electric jazz fusion was such an influence on it, but it very clearly was.

Twed

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2019, 07:28:03 PM »
I think a lot of the Japanese game composers were rooted in that scene.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2019, 07:30:38 PM »
Always an excuse to post the indomitable Wolfgang Schmid - check out his live videos down the years to see how he and his co-musicians rock the sartorial world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU5IdEY92KI&frags=pl%2Cwn

Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2019, 08:58:48 PM »
The horrible tones for guitar and keys prevent me from digging this stuff i think.

chveik

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2019, 12:09:08 AM »
Jean Louis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiu8lqA5Wmo

maybe not the sort of jazz fusion you're asking for but still, they're pretty great.

Twed

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2019, 12:12:36 AM »
Jean Louis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiu8lqA5Wmo

maybe not the sort of jazz fusion you're asking for but still, they're pretty great.
Holy shit

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2019, 12:14:36 AM »
Caseopia is great

Twed

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2019, 12:30:05 AM »
The only clue to this is the end, which unbelievably makes me teary-eyed, for it such a beautiful, joyful thing: https://youtu.be/6GEI3PpXEAo?t=2021
I showed this to a friend and he said exactly what I think about this: Super Mario World End Credits.

Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2019, 08:20:16 AM »
OP: I'm assuming you already know/like Soft Machines 3-7 albums? Sorry if obvious but I find them weirdly overlooked when this sort of stuff is mentioned for such a famous band.

Twed

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2019, 03:41:43 PM »
I actually don't. With this genre I just usually stumble across bands and don't seek them out. Listening to Nettle Bed and I already love it, so thanks!

BlodwynPig

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2019, 03:50:28 PM »
OP: I'm assuming you already know/like Soft Machines 3-7 albums? Sorry if obvious but I find them weirdly overlooked when this sort of stuff is mentioned for such a famous band.

Softs is my favourite - One Over the Eight is phenomenal

Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2019, 08:25:46 PM »
It's nice to listen to, but it does sound a bit too much like the soundtrack to an 80s cop show. I think I prefer my jazz-fusion a bit more abrasive, eg TrioVD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD65GudOrHg
or proggy, eg Jaga Jazzist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3kOVxteDAQ
or even hiphoppy, BADBADNOTGOOD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIvmwIyynbo

Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2019, 10:56:53 AM »
I actually don't. With this genre I just usually stumble across bands and don't seek them out. Listening to Nettle Bed and I already love it, so thanks!

Nettle Bed is fuckin' TIGHT. There's various points at which you're 'supposed' to stop liking Soft Machine albums according to musos and cool kids, but most eras of the band have something to offer my tastes.

TEETH is another one of my favourite fusion-y SM songs. That build around 3.40 in.....arrrggh.

Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2019, 02:07:11 PM »
Jazz fusion is the genre I forget I love. Put Caseopia and agree. Utterly ace. I went through a phase of buying a load of records a couple of years ago. Mainly Weather Report stuff you've all heard but there were a couple of slightly more left field gems. I'll dig them out later and find a link.

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Shit Good Nose

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2019, 03:27:55 PM »
Nettle Bed is fuckin' TIGHT. There's various points at which you're 'supposed' to stop liking Soft Machine albums according to musos and cool kids, but most eras of the band have something to offer my tastes.

TEETH is another one of my favourite fusion-y SM songs. That build around 3.40 in.....arrrggh.

Time was when it was only the first three albums being essential, and everything after Third being diminishing returns.  Following their breakup, lots of people came around to the Karl Jenkins led era and the drop(no pun intended)-off became Seven/Bundles, but more recently more people have come around to those as well, to the point where these days it's only really Land of Cockayne which is objectively iffy, but that's not really a Soft Machine album anyway.  Cockayne and Volumes 1 and 2 are the only ones I don't like, 1 and 2 just because I'm not into that twee British psychedelia (for the same reason, I don't go a bundle [again, no pun intended] on the Syd Barrett era of Pink Floyd).  Everything else is aces.  I'm a huge fan of the short-lived five man lineup with the incredible Lyn Dobson (if only he stayed a bit longer), and the 74/75 lineup with Allan Holdsworth and John Etheridge.  Here's a brill video (with intro from none other than Spike Milligan) from 1976, featuring Percy Jones on bass, and opening with one of my favourite (but rarely played) SM tracks Out of Season - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VBHygKgilM


Obviously Brand X - with and a lot of it without Phil Collins - deserves a mention.


Alas, as per usual when jazz fusion gets mentioned, a lot of the suggestions sound too much like disco to my ears.  I blame Jaco era Weather Report.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 03:41:25 PM by Shit Good Nose »

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2019, 04:18:35 PM »
Time was when it was only the first three albums being essential, and everything after Third being diminishing returns.  Following their breakup, lots of people came around to the Karl Jenkins led era and the drop(no pun intended)-off became Seven/Bundles, but more recently more people have come around to those as well, to the point where these days it's only really Land of Cockayne which is objectively iffy, but that's not really a Soft Machine album anyway.  Cockayne and Volumes 1 and 2 are the only ones I don't like, 1 and 2 just because I'm not into that twee British psychedelia (for the same reason, I don't go a bundle [again, no pun intended] on the Syd Barrett era of Pink Floyd).  Everything else is aces.  I'm a huge fan of the short-lived five man lineup with the incredible Lyn Dobson (if only he stayed a bit longer), and the 74/75 lineup with Allan Holdsworth and John Etheridge.  Here's a brill video (with intro from none other than Spike Milligan) from 1976, featuring Percy Jones on bass, and opening with one of my favourite (but rarely played) SM tracks Out of Season - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VBHygKgilM


Obviously Brand X - with and a lot of it without Phil Collins - deserves a mention.


Alas, as per usual when jazz fusion gets mentioned, a lot of the suggestions sound too much like disco to my ears.  I blame Jaco era Weather Report.

Excellent stuff. Do you know the date of that recording in Newcastle (I mean exact date?)

BlodwynPig

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2019, 04:21:37 PM »
No matter, found it - 29th October, 1976 - in one of my old lecture theatres at Newcastle University too (same building where Pancreas works now). Amazing. Also a couple of months after I arrived in Newcastle too.

Shit Good Nose

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2019, 04:22:22 PM »
Excellent stuff. Do you know the date of that recording in Newcastle (I mean exact date?)

According to Setlist.fm it's Newcastle University, 29th October.  Also according to Setlist that's the full concert, so I'm assuming it was specifically for TV rather than a standard gig.


EDIT - you beat me to answering your own question.

Twed

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2019, 07:40:21 PM »
Obviously Brand X - with and a lot of it without Phil Collins - deserves a mention.
Yeah, Brand X and Weather Report have some of my favorites of the genre (I realise that I'm definitely trending towards the obvious choices but I don't think anybody needs to be hipsterish about what jazz fusion they like. We're already lost causes)

Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2019, 07:49:23 PM »
I discovered this absolute banger through a Japanese music blog many years ago -

Aquapolis - Eldorado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XDi_tSvCY

It seems impossible to find any information on the band who were presumably unknown outside of Japan. There's a couple of other tracks credited to them on youtube, from compilations so obscure even discogs doesn't know them.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2019, 08:00:51 PM »
According to Setlist.fm it's Newcastle University, 29th October.  Also according to Setlist that's the full concert, so I'm assuming it was specifically for TV rather than a standard gig.


EDIT - you beat me to answering your own question.

No hard feelings, no hard feelings at all.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2019, 08:02:34 PM »
I discovered this absolute banger through a Japanese music blog many years ago -

Aquapolis - Eldorado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XDi_tSvCY

It seems impossible to find any information on the band who were presumably unknown outside of Japan. There's a couple of other tracks credited to them on youtube, from compilations so obscure even discogs doesn't know them.

oh my, lovely stuff

chveik

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2019, 05:17:02 PM »

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Re: Casiopea (or general jazz fusion thread if you like)
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2019, 05:15:43 PM »
Adam Neely's latest video might well be thread-adjacent.  His guest contributor (Patrick Bartley of the J-Music Ensemble) clearly knows his stuff.