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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #240 on: May 08, 2019, 04:47:23 PM »
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Fuck you, Disney.

Like it or not, with people torrenting and streaming, big franchises are what are keeping cinemas open.

It's easy to be snobby about superhero films but they are just action / adventure / fantasy films with a comic book stigma. Conan, Tank Girl and Judge Dredd are comic book characters; Guardians of the Galaxy is essentially just Flash Gordon. The Alien and Terminator franchises which you enjoy are really aimed at the same male teenage demographic that comic book films are and indeed they've had a long history of comic adaptations themselves. The MCU has started moving away from the standard formula with out and out comedies like Thor: Ragnarok, which again is not dissimilar from Flash Gordon and Star Wars, with a hint of Conan in there. They are increasingly going cosmic thanks to their success with the standard earth based superhero characters and if that direction continues to be successful I'd expect other studios to roll the dice on more spacey sci-fi stuff that would otherwise seem like too much of a risk for what they would cost.

A lot of people hated the idea of the Blade Runner sequel and it was easy to be cynical about that before release, but I think most people ended up agreeing that it was at least decent, and some even loved it.

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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #241 on: May 08, 2019, 05:02:30 PM »
It would strike me as rather presumptuous; should anyone possibly think that I consider the bastardisation and continued milking of the Terminator and Alien series as a good thing, much less that I actually enjoyed the awfully dull and unnecessary Blade Runner sequel.
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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #242 on: May 08, 2019, 05:08:03 PM »
much less that I actually liked the awfully dull and unnecessary Blade Runner sequel.

He didn't say you did.

Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #243 on: May 08, 2019, 05:08:49 PM »
I do think this "UNTITLED DISNEY ANIMATION" franchise they have lined up has potential though.

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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #244 on: May 08, 2019, 05:08:59 PM »
He didn't say you did.

I wasn't replying to anyone.  I was just imagining a hypothetical situation.

Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #245 on: May 08, 2019, 05:18:07 PM »
I wasn't replying to anyone.  I was just imagining a hypothetical situation.

I wasn't. What I said applies to Alien 1 and Terminator 1 too; extend it to Predator, the original Star Wars trilogy, whatever. They're all comic book films in spirit and have subsequently had an extensive comic book history.

Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #246 on: May 09, 2019, 12:11:20 PM »
MOR STAR WARS

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MOR AVATAR

And to think that they say that creativity is dead within Hollywood.

Fuck you, Disney.

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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #247 on: May 10, 2019, 04:45:20 AM »
Christ, planning Avatar 5 for eight years from now. Desolation.

Still! A Bob's Burgers movie! THANK YOU, DISNEY!

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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #248 on: May 10, 2019, 05:32:32 AM »
Still! A Bob's Burgers movie! THANK YOU, DISNEY!

Aye, I must concede that to be the solitary beacon of hope amidst the endless sea of shit.  It's still based upon an existing property, mind.

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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #249 on: May 10, 2019, 01:45:00 PM »
Christ, planning Avatar 5 for eight years from now. Desolation.

They probably realise it can't possibly get less relevant.

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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #250 on: May 10, 2019, 03:52:59 PM »
I wonder if anybody involved is even remotely prepared to consider the possibility that the four movies WON’T gross $2 billion apiece?

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« Reply #251 on: May 10, 2019, 07:05:48 PM »
I wonder if anybody involved is even remotely prepared to consider the possibility that the four movies WON’T gross $2 billion apiece?

The thing is, they don't need to.  First of all, James Cameron has filmed Avatar 2 and 3 back-to-back and whilst the fourth and fifth movies are on Disney's release schedule and the scripts have been written, their production is dependent upon the box office performance of the first two sequels.  Disney is waiting to see what the response is like to the initial sequels before moving any further forward with the franchise.  They're not putting all of their eggs into one basket.  If those initial sequels underperform to any kind of great degree, then it's unlikely that Disney will move forward on the next two sequels.

Secondly, the very fact that parts 2 and 3 have been filmed back-to-back means that production costs will be lower than if they had been filmed separately, ergo they don't need to make as much money to recoup the investment as they would have, had they been filmed as separate productions.  This has been the filming strategy from way back, when the sequels were first announced over at 20th Century Fox.

I suspect that the analysts over at Disney are not expecting the Avatar sequels to perform as well as the first movie did.  It's widely acknowledged that the first movie performed as well as it did, largely due to the novelty of the revolutionary 3D and technological leap forward of the CGI (from a purely technical perspective).  The point being that these sequels could do half the business of the first movie and still be a big success.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell that'll I'll be going to the cinema to watch the Avatar sequels (not just because 'Fuck you, Disney' but also because I thought that the first movie was utter dreck) and I'm sure that there are plenty of other people who aren't particularly bothered about watching them either.  However, one only need look towards the box office returns from the vast majority of the Transformers sequels to see that general audiences aren't a particularly discerning crowd.  Most people are not cinephiles but they are suckers for an event movie; they see enough adverts for a visual effects spectacle on TV and that's all that they need in terms of encouragement to watch something.

I think that the Avatar movies will make serious bank at the box office.  Perhaps not to the same level as the first Avatar movie but they'll make a healthy profit all the same.  I wish that they wouldn't but my own personal grievances don't factor into box office results.  Heck, China alone will likely contribute greatly towards the sequels' financial success, I should imagine.
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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #252 on: May 15, 2019, 07:28:53 PM »
Disney is continuing its ongoing quest for a monopoly over the film and TV market, with it's acquisition of the streaming service Hulu.  As per Variety...

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Disney and Comcast announced a deal under which Disney will assume full operational control of Hulu, effective immediately. Within five years, Comcast has agreed to sell its Hulu stake to Disney for at least $5.8 billion.

“We are now able to completely integrate Hulu into our direct-to-consumer business and leverage the full power of The Walt Disney Company’s brands and creative engines to make the service even more compelling and a greater value for consumers,” Disney chairman/CEO Bob Iger said in a statement about the pact.

Fuck you, Disney.

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« Reply #253 on: May 15, 2019, 07:50:11 PM »
Not sure about AVatar saving much money via filming back to back. The nature of the films being heavily CGI focused seems like it would limit the amount of large scale set work which is generally were back to back films save a lot of money. I mean the last two Avengers films were done back to back but they still have individual budgets listed at over $300 million.

I mean I suspect Avatar will have enough impetus to get out both sequels unless the first films truly bombs but if there just modest box office draws it will definitely threaten the following two films.

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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #254 on: May 15, 2019, 08:24:00 PM »
Not sure about AVatar saving much money via filming back to back. The nature of the films being heavily CGI focused seems like it would limit the amount of large scale set work which is generally were back to back films save a lot of money. I mean the last two Avengers films were done back to back but they still have individual budgets listed at over $300 million.

I mean I suspect Avatar will have enough impetus to get out both sequels unless the first films truly bombs but if there just modest box office draws it will definitely threaten the following two films.

This is true.  It still doesn't negate the reason as to why they're filming the first two Avatar sequels back-to-back though.  It's absolutely a cost cutting measure, even though, as you say, the actual amount of money being saved isn't all that great, given the post-production intensive nature of the movies themselves.  However, you also have to consider the other advantages of filming back-to-back.  For example, hiring the cast and crew (from second unit directors, through to catering) and having them there on set, for the continuous shooting of two separate movies, as opposed to having to to go through the whole costly rigmarole of setting up production twice.  There's also other factors such as the booking of studio space and the avoidance of having to deal with clearing the returning cast members schedules twice over.
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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #255 on: May 15, 2019, 08:29:04 PM »
Nobody gives a fuck about Avatar - fact

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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #256 on: May 15, 2019, 08:30:56 PM »
Nobody gives a fuck about Avatar - fact

A surprising number of people do (with the caveat that, technically speaking, even a single person would be surprising).  However, I don't encounter much in the way of actual passion towards Avatar.  It's more a case of a handful of people who enjoyed the first movie and are interested in seeing the sequels.  A kind of lukewarm interest.

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« Reply #257 on: May 16, 2019, 12:30:56 AM »
I prefer it when actors tangibly age between sequels.  Filming back to back ruins it.

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Re: The 'Fuck You, Disney' Thread
« Reply #258 on: May 16, 2019, 01:37:19 AM »
I prefer it when actors tangibly age between sequels.  Filming back to back ruins it.

I like it when they film a prequel to a movie, using the same actor in the same role, a decade or more after the fact.  There's a fair few movies which are now a part of the Benjamin Button Cinematic Universe.