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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #270 on: May 09, 2019, 10:38:13 PM »
THE ANSWER!
The Cleese website got back to me! (I complained about their first response):

"John says the role of Polly is an english character."

Settled!
I was wrong.

Huh.  Well that's that I suppose.  Kinda disillusioned to be honest.  I've spend decades thinking that she was American.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #271 on: May 09, 2019, 10:39:19 PM »
THE ANSWER!
The Cleese website got back to me! (I complained about their first response):

"John says the role of Polly is an english character."

Settled!
I was wrong.

Vindicated.

I hope everyone who disagreed with me has learned their lesson, and will think twice about disagreeing with me in future.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #272 on: May 09, 2019, 11:24:40 PM »
Class.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #273 on: May 09, 2019, 11:28:38 PM »
THE ANSWER!
The Cleese website got back to me! (I complained about their first response):

"John says the role of Polly is an english character."

Settled!
I was wrong.
Now that I’m 100% secure in my original assumption, I’d just like to take this moment to say that everyone who ever thought Polly was anything other than English is fucking BANANAS

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #274 on: May 09, 2019, 11:51:27 PM »
So very humble in victory.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #275 on: May 09, 2019, 11:53:19 PM »
Fawlty Towers is #CANCELLED.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #276 on: May 10, 2019, 12:37:22 AM »
"John says..."

I accept she was English here though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjE5fbxAmY

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #277 on: May 10, 2019, 01:57:11 AM »
Perfectly good actor, and quite a looker,  too.
What's your problem ?

He's got better but was very wooden to begin with.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #278 on: May 10, 2019, 08:22:24 AM »
In all fairness, someone should write back to John Cleese with the enquiry " So why does Basil put a distinctly American accent when he's taking the piss out of Polly, the stupid cunt ? ".

( But yeah, I've always assumed Polly was English )

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #279 on: May 10, 2019, 10:13:05 AM »
I recently watched FT more-or-less back-to-back on Netflix and it occurred to me - independently of this discussion - that Polly might actually be American (having always previously assumed her to be English). Cleese's impersonation pushed me towards that conclusion but the Waldorf Salad episode doesn't make much sense if she is American. Also, given Basil's clear antipathy towards his transatlantic brethren, one would imagine it would come up elsewhere if she were an American character. So Cleese's answer makes sense to me.

Maybe he was aiming for a different accent and it came out American. I noticed the boom mike dangling into quite a few shots, which makes me think they didn't do many retakes when filming.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #280 on: May 10, 2019, 10:17:50 AM »
the Waldorf Salad episode doesn't make much sense if she is American.

Can you explain this? Not disagreeing, just can't think off the top of my head how the episode changes if she is English rather than American.

She was a really bad actor if she was supposed to be English.

Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #281 on: May 10, 2019, 10:21:16 AM »
Maybe he was aiming for a different accent and it came out American. I noticed the boom mike dangling into quite a few shots, which makes me think they didn't do many retakes when filming.

Maybe he was afraid of it coming out a bit "Monty Python" and wanted to avoid the allusion.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #282 on: May 10, 2019, 10:25:41 AM »
Can you explain this? Not disagreeing, just can't think off the top of my head how the episode changes if she is English rather than American.

She was a really bad actor if she was supposed to be English.

Polly's hardly in that episode, is she ? Maybe Basil had a line like " That American feller coming to a fucking hotel in Torquay is and asking for a fucking Waldorf Salad is a right cunt, just like our looking slightly too old to be a student and waitress Polly, who is also American .", but it would have got edited out ( because you couldn't say " fuck" and " cunt" on English telly in 1979 ).

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #283 on: May 10, 2019, 12:49:39 PM »
Polly's hardly in that episode, is she ?

Correct. She appears a few minutes after Mr Hamilton arrives, then goes out for the evening. Doesn't interact with him at all.  HOT DOG!

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #284 on: May 10, 2019, 05:26:05 PM »
Ah right, ok - I misremembered the episode. I thought she was involved in the making of the Waldorf salad, but now I think of it it must have been Sybil.

But more generally it wouldn't make sense for Basil to be so rude to an American for simply being American, but tolerating Polly despite suffering from the same affliction.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #285 on: May 10, 2019, 05:39:18 PM »
Basil is nothing if not idiosyncratic, I'm not sure it's fair to use such logic. But anyway, I'm very surprised about this.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #286 on: May 10, 2019, 05:42:19 PM »
HOT DOG!

I always found her attractive, too.

Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #287 on: June 04, 2019, 06:59:29 PM »
Polly sings a song with a strong American accent, "I'm just a gal who can't say no" or similar, right before or after Manuel does his Spanish guitar thing. I assumed the first time I saw that episode that she was a US student who'd ended up staying in the UK after her degree or a gap year or whatever. Basil's Minnie mouse take on her voice points in that direction, too. AMERICAN.

Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #288 on: June 04, 2019, 07:25:23 PM »
Polly sings a song with a strong American accent, "I'm just a gal who can't say no" or similar, right before or after Manuel does his Spanish guitar thing. I assumed the first time I saw that episode that she was a US student who'd ended up staying in the UK after her degree or a gap year or whatever. Basil's Minnie mouse take on her voice points in that direction, too. AMERICAN.

The song is from the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical, Oklahoma! - both would have been well known to British audiences - putting on a strong American accent would be entirely appropriate.

Personally, I've tended to the view of Polly being American, but very recently this story - https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/fawlty_towers/special/polly_english_or_american/ - claims that Cleese (or a representative, at any rate) says Polly is English.

*edit* Ah, I see the Cleese remark has been already mentioned.... many times, many many times.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #289 on: June 05, 2019, 12:18:44 AM »
Sorry but it's not enough for 'John' to say she's English, you need to reply again and clarify that we need a response in character as Basil.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #290 on: June 05, 2019, 12:20:06 AM »
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some years ago I opined that Polly was not really English any more

Since then, virtually all my friends from abroad have confirmed my observation

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #291 on: June 05, 2019, 01:06:05 AM »
Haha!

Back to the thread, has anyone nominated the supporting cast of Green Green Grass?
If not, the above. Sheesh.
A perfect storm of shit writing and poor acting. Similar to the Count Arthur lot. Well, half of them.

Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #292 on: June 05, 2019, 03:11:59 AM »
Class.

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Was it not a reference to the fact that Red/Blue are indeed excellent The Beatles "albums" and the joke is actually on the audience?

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #293 on: June 05, 2019, 04:11:50 AM »
Cleese doesn't even know London is English so you can't expect him to get it right about Polly....

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #294 on: June 05, 2019, 11:04:33 AM »
Back to the thread, has anyone nominated the supporting cast of Green Green Grass?
If not, the above. Sheesh.

Also: too many actors. Four country bumpkin idiots is at least twice as many as the show actually needs.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #295 on: June 08, 2019, 09:41:35 AM »
Oh Connie Booth was fine. It's Michael Gwynn (Lord Melbury) who grates...

For a lesson in amateur theatre night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CH1IOJOys0

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #296 on: June 09, 2019, 08:06:10 AM »
“Skullcrusher Henderson” in Bottom. The freeze frame ending with him banging Richie and Eddie’s heads together suggests that they only did one take for it because they were scared of the bloke, who stares blankly into space rather than perhaps make the most of playing a psychopath who had said seconds before “It’s skull-crushing time!” in an OTT panto hammy kind of way.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #297 on: June 09, 2019, 07:27:32 PM »
“Skullcrusher Henderson” in Bottom. The freeze frame ending with him banging Richie and Eddie’s heads together suggests that they only did one take for it because they were scared of the bloke, who stares blankly into space rather than perhaps make the most of playing a psychopath who had said seconds before “It’s skull-crushing time!” in an OTT panto hammy kind of way.

Ooooh, don't be talking smack about Brian Glover, you cad!  That man was a national treasure.

Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #298 on: June 09, 2019, 07:30:12 PM »
Ooooh, don't be talking smack about Brian Glover, you cad!  That man was a national treasure.
That was Mr Rottweiler. Skullcrusher was the porno-money-forger whose patch Eddie was tying to muscle in on.

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Re: Worst Acting In A Sitcom
« Reply #299 on: June 09, 2019, 11:20:57 PM »
That was Mr Rottweiler. Skullcrusher was the porno-money-forger whose patch Eddie was tying to muscle in on.

Oh, in that case, fair do's.