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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2019, 01:34:19 PM »
To be fair I don't think there is any misconstruing that

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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2019, 01:37:02 PM »
lol at 'again'

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2019, 01:43:14 PM »
To be fair I don't think there is any misconstruing that

I think they realised how offensive the title was, so they renamed it on this release


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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2019, 02:50:44 PM »
I reckon that Harry Nilsson video is totally safe. The patios it is sung in is more idiosyncratic and less ‘aping’ than other examples such as Kinks and 10cc which makes it more natural and less cloying.

I find a lot of your opinions questionable to say the least, but the fact that you think it matters whose garden it was recorded in is utterly bizarre to me.

Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2019, 03:16:56 PM »
What if it was a racist's garden? A known racist.

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2019, 03:42:40 PM »
It's a little-known fact that racist's gardens are like the hotel in The Shining. Harry was actually going to perform the song in his regular voice in a nice polo shirt and slacks but as soon as he stepped out into the garden of his racist friend, who'd offered the space for the video as he'd got this big tarpaulin with pictures of palm trees on it "just gathering dust", he immediately found himself compelled to wear a gorilla costume and pretend to be Jamaican.

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2019, 03:44:31 PM »


holy fuck haha

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2019, 07:48:53 PM »
Madness - New Dehli was a rare Madness miss step . Mind you, if you've ever heard their unreleased early demos your eyebrows would hit the ceiling.  Thank god, Clive Langer stepped in.

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2019, 01:31:39 PM »
There could be various things at play, for instance, it’s been claimed that Harry was making an incredibly subtle dig at The Monkees, but the video often said to be a homage to Ernie Kovacs’ The Nairobi Trio skits. I was unaware of this when I first saw this video, but instantly thought that it had been been lifted from Kovacs.

The trio were three figures in gorilla masks moving as if they were automated as music was played, the effect sometimes compared to a music box. Celebrity friends, Frank Sinatra and Jack Lemmon (the latter and Kovacs also co-starred in Bell, Book & Candle - Oliver Platt essentially lifted from Kovacs in that film for his scene-stealing turn in Lake Placid) were among the ones who donned the masks.

Here’s one of the versions - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=416o9b_pjQk - and Wikipedia has a decent entry about the trio.

Kovacs used music in his work a lot including a performance of Swan Lake: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PqR2twY6fak

He also used Mack the Knife as the audio backdrop for series of blackout sketches, such as https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hfB3jj8vKlo - I’m particularly fond of the bath one; I understand that the car in another, was a write-off and accounted for the bulk of the production budget for the episode.

Interesting stuff, as always! Yeah, Nilsson being influenced by Kovacs makes sense. Nilsson making a subtle dig at The Monkees, not so much. Why would he do that? Their recording of Cuddly Toy must've earned him a fortune, and he was friends with Micky Dolenz.

Anyway, thanks for sharing all that Kovacs info. I really should delve deeper into his work.

Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2019, 01:52:00 PM »
Nilsson making a subtle dig at The Monkees, not so much. Why would he do that?

Because he was a bit of a japester

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2019, 03:47:16 PM »
Re Dreadlock Holiday (and ApeMan by The Kinks...):

I suppose you could say in its defence that white Jamaicans speak with that accent too.

Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2019, 04:51:41 PM »
Like Ari Up.

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« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2019, 05:46:15 PM »
And Tim Westwood.

Alan Price puts on a cod-Jamaican accent in Don't Stop the Carnival https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTJKpV0JJwY

Then there's Donovan's Welsh Indian accent in Barabajagal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvl9fE_4qxA

Perfectly acceptable though because I like them.

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2019, 06:02:30 PM »
Tim Westwood speaks more like a LONDON YUTE than in any sort of patois, right? Doesn’t make it any less hideously embarrassing but it is less racist.

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2019, 06:08:53 PM »
Mind you, if you've ever heard their unreleased early demos your eyebrows would hit the ceiling.

I'd like to hear them.

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2019, 07:29:07 PM »
Tim Westwood speaks more like a LONDON YUTE than in any sort of patois, right? Doesn’t make it any less hideously embarrassing but it is less racist.

I was just being silly because I thought SteveDave was, Ari Up not being a white Jamaican.

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« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2019, 07:30:43 PM »
Plenty of Bonzos to choose from but this was my favourite as a youth (along with Trouser Press).

Um, yeah.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9HeEFxgktVg

I'll never stop laughing at the line "I bought a deluxe Merseybeat wig, but it was a size too big" no matter how wrong the whole spectacle is.

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« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2019, 07:40:02 PM »
Blimey. Credit to Neil Innes there for eschewing the shoe polish, I suppose.

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2019, 07:49:32 PM »
Um, yeah.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9HeEFxgktVg

I'll never stop laughing at the line "I bought a deluxe Merseybeat wig, but it was a size too big" no matter how wrong the whole spectacle is.

There's a radio session version of that where Viv just sings it in his normal voice, and it sounds fine as a result... although there's still the line about "lovely Japanese girls who've been trained in the art of pleasing men" to contend with. Know what you mean about the Merseybeat wig bit though, that's a fantastic line despite everything.

I did notice Innes in that clip as well - he looks a bit embarrassed and awkward, as if he's aware of how all this will look in 50 years time.

Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2019, 11:51:25 PM »
I was just being silly because I thought SteveDave was, Ari Up not being a white Jamaican.

Irie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlzBhPmxITk

Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2019, 11:53:04 PM »

Then there's Donovan's Welsh Indian accent in Barabajagal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvl9fE_4qxA


Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTxLWxOO-DY

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2019, 12:33:52 AM »
Irie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlzBhPmxITk

I thought she might have just come from the dentist there, but then I saw this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtXS8hTtpc. The accent gets thicker when she speaks to black people.

Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2019, 08:50:17 AM »
I thought she might have just come from the dentist there, but then I saw this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtXS8hTtpc. The accent gets thicker when she speaks to black people.

Ari Up #cancelled

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2019, 09:00:19 AM »
Yah but The Threepenny Opera is explicitly set in the underworld including a brothel and pimps. One song translates to "Pimp's Ballad". I don't think it's in much danger of cancelling.

Oddly/sadly, Brecht's version now seems to have been bypassed: https://brightonfestival.org/event/17419/dead_dog_in_a_suitcase_and_other_love_songs/

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« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2019, 10:05:47 AM »
"lovely Japanese girls who've been trained in the art of pleasing men" to contend with.

To be fair to Viv, that does pretty accurately describe the concept of the Geisha.

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« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2019, 10:51:16 AM »
"Money For Nothing" still seems to get air play, mainly on tin pot local and commercial stations but still. Big old f-bomb in that. Same as "Fairy Tale of New York".

Can't remember where I saw it but I like the replacement line "You scum bag, you maggot, you forgot to tape Taggart".

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« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2019, 11:26:25 AM »
Re Dreadlock Holiday (and ApeMan by The Kinks...):

I suppose you could say in its defence that white Jamaicans speak with that accent too.
White Jamaicans don't tend to have dreadlocks though, or specifically have 'dark voices'...

"Money For Nothing" still seems to get air play, mainly on tin pot local and commercial stations but still. Big old f-bomb in that.
The lyrics are written from the viewpoint of a working class bigot. The furore that followed on it's release led Knopfler to stop writing 'in character' songs. It then came back 25 years later when the uncensored version was briefly banned in Canada in 2011 after a complaint about the use of the word.
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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2019, 12:34:42 PM »
To be fair to Viv, that does pretty accurately describe the concept of the Geisha.

Plus the rather sad character has read it in an advert. It's just the accent (and the rest of that clip!) that's a problem, not the lyrics.

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Re: Harry Nilsson's 'Coconut' #CANCELLED
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2019, 01:04:47 PM »
The lyrics are written from the viewpoint of a working class bigot. The furore that followed on it's release led Knopfler to stop writing 'in character' songs. It then came back 25 years later when the uncensored version was briefly banned in Canada in 2011 after a complaint about the use of the word.



Axl Rose claimed something similiar for Guns'n'Roses "One In A Million" didn't he? Something along the lines of it was something that the character in the song would say and not him.

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« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2019, 01:05:30 PM »
Thin Lizzy's Killer on the Loose was never not problematic, given that it was released during the height of the Yorkshire Ripper's grip on the national psyche. But I never knew just how on-the-nose the lyrics were (the engineer having the good sense to bury this last line under the build up to the chorus) until I found them online a couple of years ago.


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I saw this on Top of the Pops for fuck's sake!