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Brexit Party/Farage thread

Started by Fambo Number Mive, May 14, 2019, 01:27:53 PM

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Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Dr Rock on May 16, 2019, 06:26:36 PM
If these results are going to be a poll on Brexit, and everyone can make a protest vote for Farge/Brexit if they are that arsed, and then they get 35% of the vote, that means 65% of the public didn't vote for Brexit & Democracy. It's roughly the same percentage of Brexit voters in the first place. Overall polling continues to show a majority are now against Brexit. Rarely see this put to the toad-faced cunt.

Not really as this doesn't include Tory share or UKIP share or whatever percentage of the Labour vote are pro Brexit.

Also the only people whose opinions count are the ones you can count - those who vote. The 'only 35 percent of people wanted brexit' is tedious sour grapes moral midgetry you'd never have brought up if Remain won.

If you tot it up crudely based on recent polling then it's about 52 leave, 48 remain.

Brexit Party MEP candidate James Bartholomew seems like a lovely man.

Quote from: The Guardian
Bartholomew, who in 2004 published his own book about what he says is the need to greatly pare back social security systems, also backed Murray's idea that to tackle illegitimacy, governments should abolish all support for single mothers.

Quote from: The Guardian
He wrote [in 1993]: "This measure would force single mothers to seek the support of others. When they succeed, the child will benefit from the involvement of other adults in bringing it up. Those mothers who cannot obtain such support will be driven to place their babies for adoption."

The policy would also be beneficial in restoring "the shame attached to illegitimacy", he added.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/17/brexit-party-candidates-book-favoured-benefit-cuts-for-single-mothers

Now he's up for election, he conveniently distances himself from those views; but does he really?  Does he?  Does he?

Dr Rock

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 17, 2019, 08:05:25 AM
If you tot it up crudely based on recent polling then it's about 52 leave, 48 remain.

Not according to the polls I've ben looking at. Source?

Where's the scandal in Banks funding Farage please lads?

Buelligan

It depends where the money came from and what he's buying and whether it's declared.  If all of that is pukka, why not just talk about it if there's nothing to hide?

Additionally, if the money doesn't come from Banks (or anywhere nefarious) at this point, continuing to hide its source simply feeds the fear that something is very shonky.  Better to be straightforward, open and honest.

What would you think if Corbyn was living in a "free" house in Chelsea that some unnamed "benefactor" was paying £13,000 a month to rent for him?  Would he look like a man of the people, sick of the elite, to you?  Wouldn't you want to know why?  Wouldn't you think it looked a bit off?


£13,000 per calendar month whilst veterans sleep on the streets

phantom_power

Quote from: Paulie Walnuts on May 17, 2019, 10:10:49 AM
Where's the scandal in Banks funding Farage please lads?

Why is he funding him?

Quote

Man of the people Nige talks about the apparent need to dismantle the NHS and 'move towards an insurance based system':

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1128946814135226368

From his 2012 'common sense' speaking tour - imagine the kind of dismal cunt who'd attend that. Just common sense innit? The common sense of the unthinking bigot. Just a bit of common sense, where's the harm in that? I'm not a cynical tool of big business and shady right wing sponsors hiding behind a jovial 'man-of-the-people' mask, I'm just speaking a bit of common sense ... and when's that ever hurt anyone? The free market, that's common sense innit? Why not let the good old free market decide how to run our healthcare system, eh?

It's just common sense mate.

Here he is reiterating his belief in the common sense approach of free market exploitation of the healthcare system, lest anyone think that the previous speech was just young, idealistic Nige getting carried away with the hit of mainlining such pure lab-quality common sense:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/12/farage-calls-for-private-health-firms-to-relieve-burden-on-nhs

Beagle 2

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on May 16, 2019, 07:51:24 PM
https://thebrexitparty.com/

This seems a bit self-defeating, those SHOCKING statements aren't actually going to deter a lot of people who are attracted to this shit show, and it only serves to normalise the kind of opinions that are becoming more explicit and mainstream. It's not like all of those quotes aren't regularly trotted out in pubs across the country. It marks them out as more radical than they dare to appear, and I think that's very seductive to people at the moment. It's up for grabs and the scum is rising to the surface.

Paul Calf

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 17, 2019, 08:05:25 AM
moral midgetry

Will you please stop using this term? It really is rancid.

Quote

Quote from: Beagle 2 on May 17, 2019, 11:10:14 AM
This seems a bit self-defeating, those SHOCKING statements aren't actually going to deter a lot of people who are attracted to this shit show, and it only serves to normalise the kind of opinions that are becoming more explicit and mainstream. It's not like all of those quotes aren't regularly trotted out in pubs across the country. It marks them out as more radical than they dare to appear, and I think that's very seductive to people at the moment. It's up for grabs and the scum is rising to the surface.

Maybe some older people who've been lured into this patriotic, Brexit mindset might not really agree with them on other matters and pointing out the kind of horrid views they hold might persuade a few of them back from the cliffedge. Maybe.

But then it's a free hit, a one issue vote in which people ignore all the other stuff and just vote for the most euro-skeptic twats they can find - and those most enthused to go out and vote in European elections are inevitably the 'send a message to Brussels' types.

imitationleather

Older people who want to abolish the NHS really do deserve every bit of poor health going.

I have to say though, I've never actually met an old person who has expressed that view.

Quote from: phantom_power on May 17, 2019, 10:38:25 AM
Why is he funding him?

why does Soros fund the left?

why does anyone fund anything?

Buelligan

What's your problem with that again?

Quote from: imitationleather on May 17, 2019, 12:19:33 PM
Older people who want to abolish the NHS really do deserve every bit of poor health going.

I have to say though, I've never actually met an old person who has expressed that view.

Me neither.  The only people who support paying for healthcare are those who imagine they'll never need to or can afford to and, let's face it, this is a minority of the population and most of them would rather spend the money on something else or keep it.

Older people tend to be the group more acutely aware of their need for care, not less.  And older people tend to be attracted to Brexit and Farage more than the young (in general). 

On the whole, I'd say the NHS threat is one that will hit home.

Quote from: Quote on May 17, 2019, 11:30:19 AM
those most enthused to go out and vote in European elections are inevitably the 'send a message to Brussels' types.

You still don't get it do you?
No-one's looking to send a message to Brussels
This message is to our own politicians - just like the losers had their march, the winners are now having their say at the ballot box

Buelligan


Quote from: Buelligan on May 17, 2019, 10:24:13 AM
What would you think if Corbyn was living in a "free" house in Chelsea that some unnamed "benefactor" was paying £13,000 a month to rent for him?  Would he look like a man of the people, sick of the elite, to you?  Wouldn't you want to know why?  Wouldn't you think it looked a bit off?

TBF, the payments Corbyn received from Iranian TV are pretty despicable, but lost in a much larger catalogue of appalling associations that man has had

Buelligan

No matter how despicable you might like to think that was, it was a transaction - work for payment.  Open.

I think the transaction between Farage, Banks and others is the same, payment up front for service.  The question is, what service?  If there's nothing to see, why not come clean about the whole thing?  Why be so shy?

Good questions, you should keep on asking them

Buelligan

So should you.

I mean who secretly pays a tub-thumping politician half a million pounds for nothing? 

Indeed - What does Soros stand to gain from Britain staying in the EU?

The mind boggles!

idunnosomename

I don't know much about this Soros fellow, but he does sound like a pretty good egg.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Buelligan on May 17, 2019, 10:24:13 AM
It depends where the money came from and what he's buying and whether it's declared.  If all of that is pukka, why not just talk about it if there's nothing to hide?

Additionally, if the money doesn't come from Banks (or anywhere nefarious) at this point, continuing to hide its source simply feeds the fear that something is very shonky.  Better to be straightforward, open and honest.

What would you think if Corbyn was living in a "free" house in Chelsea that some unnamed "benefactor" was paying £13,000 a month to rent for him?  Would he look like a man of the people, sick of the elite, to you?  Wouldn't you want to know why?  Wouldn't you think it looked a bit off?


£13,000 per calendar month whilst veterans sleep on the streets

No security? Ill egg that

BlodwynPig

Quote from: imitationleather on May 17, 2019, 12:19:33 PM
Older people who want to abolish the NHS really do deserve every bit of poor health going.

I have to say though, I've never actually met an old person who has expressed that view.

Biggy is old

imitationleather

Quote from: BlodwynPig on May 17, 2019, 01:30:25 PM
No security? Ill egg that

It's apparently covered in cameras and Farage's security detail is £20k/month.

Beagle 2

I have met old people who think you should pay for healthcare and quite a lot who literally do pay for healthcare. Practically all old people I know think the NHS is shit. Mostly this is because they like to moan, some think it's criminally underfunded, some think it's a flawed idea.

I'm really surprised you all only seem to know old socialists, as I understood the only ones left were in the shadow cabinet.

Buelligan

Quote from: BlodwynPig on May 17, 2019, 01:30:25 PM
No security? Ill egg that

He has a team of (at least) five, plus camera surveillance.  Security costs about £5K per guard per month.

Sorry, I didn't see your post immi.

Buelligan

Quote from: Beagle 2 on May 17, 2019, 01:48:56 PM
I have met old people who think you should pay for healthcare and quite a lot who literally do pay for healthcare. Practically all old people I know think the NHS is shit. Mostly this is because they like to moan, some think it's criminally underfunded, some think it's a flawed idea.

I'm really surprised you all only seem to know old socialists, as I understood the only ones left were in the shadow cabinet.

The UK oldies that pay health insurance are in a minority though, that's the point. 

Sure, there are some who want to eat lobster whilst having their arses re-strung but they're in a minority.  The majority of old people are worried about the pennies, even those with homes of their own, that cash is tied up, not spendable.  And they don't want to spend it, not on something they can currently get for free anyway. 

A majority is what counts when it comes to votes.  You are funny though.

Lord Mandrake

Quote from: Buelligan on May 17, 2019, 03:25:51 PM
He has a team of (at least) five, plus camera surveillance.  Security costs about £5K per guard per month.

Sorry, I didn't see your post immi.

It's a shame that any politician should need that in a free democracy.

Cuellar

Shame only the worst can afford it.

Buelligan

I think it's a waste of money anyway.