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Cricket 2019

Started by iamcoop, May 14, 2019, 08:29:50 PM

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sevendaughters

there's a reserve day but I reckon they would just play it whenever they can, it's the WC.

MiddleRabbit

Credit where it's due, they're making Australia look ordinary here.  Quality bowling set them up but fair dos, Roy showed no signs of having any respect for Starc.  It doesn't appear to be moving around much though. X

poo

SUPER DRILL 2019. Fucking magic.

sevendaughters

they could have scored 400 like this. ENG fans getting typically smug without having won anything yet, hope that doesn't bite us on the arse.

Hope Dharma gets a fine.

Cuellar

As mentioned up thread, Roy only has himself to blame really. Bairstow came to ask him about his LBW and he seemed to tell JB to review it, the daft sod.

Inspector Norse

Bringing Starc back with eight needed to win, just so his figures and ego can take a bit more damage. Great captaincy from Finch there. Just let Handscomb or someone have a go at this stage.

iamcoop

Quote from: iamcoop on July 10, 2019, 05:28:40 PM
We're gonna beat the Aussies lads. Can feel it in my balls.

FredNurke

You can probably stop feeling them now.

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Now to balls up the final.

Gulftastic

What were we worried about? The Aussies were pish.

Quote from: Cuellar on July 11, 2019, 05:12:34 PM
As mentioned up thread, Roy only has himself to blame really. Bairstow came to ask him about his LBW and he seemed to tell JB to review it, the daft sod.

Shut your mouth stupid kid. Can you just enjoy? Well play bhenchods and cunts.

druss

Would rather Smith being interviewed, Finch seems alright. Unacceptable for an Australian captain.

iamcoop

Quote from: druss on July 11, 2019, 05:28:45 PM
Would rather Smith being interviewed, Finch seems alright. Unacceptable for an Australian captain.

According to an article I read recently Finch is also a prolific smoker so I'd love nothing more than for him to just nonchalantly spark a tab whilst having a natter with Aggers

MiddleRabbit

Quote from: druss on July 11, 2019, 05:28:45 PM
Would rather Smith being interviewed, Finch seems alright. Unacceptable for an Australian captain.

Somebody recommended 'Steve Smith's Men' earlier in this thread, which I read this week.  A fantastic book, it was really interesting, unlike Steve Smith.! Who is a massive dullard.  A massive, lying dullard.  The lying didn't make him more interesting, in case of doubt.

iamcoop

Quote from: MiddleRabbit on July 11, 2019, 05:34:29 PM
Somebody recommended 'Steve Smith's Men' earlier in this thread, which I read this week.  A fantastic book, it was really interesting, unlike Steve Smith.! Who is a massive dullard.  A massive, lying dullard.  The lying didn't make him more interesting, in case of doubt.

It's excellent isn't it? Geoff Lemon get's quite a lot of stick from people but I've always rated him. I liken him to a kind of australian Simon Mann. Straight down the line, not particularly susceptible to much hyperbole but clearly knows his onions.

I believe Gideon Haigh has also written a book on sandpaper-gate which I assume will be very good as well.

Inspector Norse

Quote from: druss on July 11, 2019, 05:28:45 PM
Would rather Smith being interviewed, Finch seems alright. Unacceptable for an Australian captain.

They wanted to interview Warner but no one can get him to come out of the shower where he's been for the last hour trying to wash away the reek of failure.

Cuellar

Quote from: The Boston Crab on July 11, 2019, 05:20:32 PM
Shut your mouth stupid kid. Can you just enjoy? Well play bhenchods and cunts.

I don't understand this comment, and I won't respond to it.

sevendaughters

AUS will take some strength from that spiritual depantsing, the Ashes should be great now, greater than it was going to be already, which was great, as it always is when two decent but not great teams collide.

Rolf Lundgren

Can someone with more cricket knowledge than me explain why Jason Roy is only now being considered for the Ashes when he should surely be one of the first names on the teamsheet? I understand there are some differences between the short and long form versions of the game but I don't know why such a talented batsman would potentially be left out. Can't they just tell him to be more patient if they're worried about him getting out?

Inspector Norse

It's mainly, I think, because he has only kicked on to the top level over the last year or so: he was, you may remember, not in the ODI first XI before Hales' Bristol incident, and wasn't really as established as a first-class player until recently. And he doesn't open in first-class cricket, and that's where the vacant slot is.

There's also the worry that England's test team have, in recent years, been too flashy and unable to knuckle down and build big totals, so bringing in another big hitter like Roy wouldn't solve that issue.

He'd certainly be a better option than selectors' pet favourites Vince, Jennings or Ballance, but there are others in the county game they might be looking at (Sibley and Northeast are the most consistent scorers and - I'm basing this on what I've read, I don't watch county cricket where I live - have more "grit").

Given Bairstow's indifferent form Roy might be worth a look at number 3. Could Bairstow open, as a Warner figure alongside the nurdler Burns?

MiddleRabbit

Quote from: Rolf Lundgren on July 11, 2019, 07:00:22 PM
Can someone with more cricket knowledge than me explain why Jason Roy is only now being considered for the Ashes when he should surely be one of the first names on the teamsheet? I understand there are some differences between the short and long form versions of the game but I don't know why such a talented batsman would potentially be left out. Can't they just tell him to be more patient if they're worried about him getting out?

His average isn't very good in the longer format.  Doesn't he bat about 6 for Surrey?

Even so, bearing in mind the dearth of alternatives, I think I might be inclined to give him a go.

Quote from: Cuellar on July 11, 2019, 06:45:04 PM
I don't understand this comment, and I won't respond to it.

It's a mere taste of life over at r/cricket.

MiddleRabbit

Quote from: iamcoop on July 11, 2019, 05:48:53 PM
It's excellent isn't it? Geoff Lemon get's quite a lot of stick from people but I've always rated him. I liken him to a kind of australian Simon Mann. Straight down the line, not particularly susceptible to much hyperbole but clearly knows his onions.

I believe Gideon Haigh has also written a book on sandpaper-gate which I assume will be very good as well.

Yeah, it's great - thanks for the recommend, providing it was you.  About 2/3s of the way through, I was thinking that he was just padding it out having covered the lead up and the event.  He wasn't.  The last third was superb.  I'd not really thought about the punishments being harsh in comparison to other ball tamperers and I didn't know about he players' strike at all, but it was very convincing.

I like Gideon Haigh too, I'll be giving his take on it a read this summer but I'd be surprised if it's any better than Lemon's.

Rolf Lundgren

Thanks for the explanation Inspector Norse and MiddleRabbit. Makes sense if he's too flash and has a bad pedigree at that level.

sevendaughters

England like to pick on class (meaning refinement) - do they think they've got what it takes based on technique and attitude and clubabbleness - which is why they have returned to Jos Buttler as a test candidate despite him never really coming up to scratch. It is also why Joe Root was seen as a future England captain after like 6 appearances for Yorkshire. Same with Alistair Cook. He hit 200 against the Australians in a tour match during the 2005 Ashes for Essex and debuted for England within about 9 months.

There is always the argument, which occasionally does stick but often makes England look like prats, that certain players of X Factor will rise to the challenge when hitting the test team. That was definitely the case with our most recent talismanic all-rounder types like Flintoff and Stokes. Roy averages 38 in first-class games, but he plays for England at a level above that which he manages for his domestic team at ODI - 43 in internationals against 38 in all 50 over games suggests he basically takes the piss for Surrey.

There is no faith in our domestic system to produce consistent test players - players like James Hildreth and Jamie Porter would have made the team in days of yore, but because of deficiencies in their make-up (Hildreth is mercurial, Porter is a trundler) they'll literally never sniff the team. Their faith in this is based on the failure of players like Rory Burns - leading runscorer in 2018, can't put big runs on Sri Lanka and West Indies.

Also, the failure of more traditionally circumspect opening batsmen to establish themselves - Jennings, Hameed, Robson, Carberry, Compton, Lyth - means that it's a case of 'this guy's here, he's hot, he can do it consistently on the highest level and he's up for it' so why not?

I just think people forget how different red ball cricket can be.


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He looks in such good form that his slightly dodgy technique (in terms of the longer format) could be mitigated, in the short term at least. It's not like he could do any worse than the clowns who've been opening for England in test matches recently.

Ideally I'd rather keep him as a one-day specialist and have him solely focused on twatting it all over the shop rather than having to worry about improving his defensive technique to succeed in the test arena.

Warner was seen as a purely one-day player before he was drafted into the Australian test team and he's paid off handsomely for them (despite being a loathsome turd).

Cuellar

Yeah would be lovely to have a Warner-esque opener, batting-wise anyway. Guy's a wanker.

Fuck defence. Bludgeon eighty off ten overs and let another bloke have a bat. Maybe you could hire the Roy-Team.

sevendaughters

Batting time is such a crucial part of test cricket. Admittedly one with a reduced focus now hardly any matches finish as a draw. But being able to control the game as much as accrue runs is the key to success over long periods. And it's really fucking depressing when those gun players misfire like Gayle, Sehwag, Symonds all did.