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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #120 on: July 21, 2019, 12:59:38 PM »
I get very little Trek vibe from it at all unless you mean the recent Trek or the more clich├ęd blockbuster aspects of the TNG films.

The most common expectation I'v seen is for something akin to "Ambassador Picard" and this doesn't look like its attempting that in the slightest.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #121 on: July 21, 2019, 01:30:38 PM »
Stewart himself will likely be good regardless which makes it more disappointing it will be in something that looks very uninteresting to me.

Basically. It's like commissioning Leonardo da Vinci to roll paint on your walls.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #122 on: July 21, 2019, 02:19:42 PM »
Data is in the dog.

I wonder which one of his multiple techniques he used for that.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #123 on: July 21, 2019, 02:26:58 PM »
Still, looks like there'll be opportunity for a nostalgic Seven of Nine wank and for that reason I'm in.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #124 on: July 21, 2019, 06:37:35 PM »
I think his presence at the comic con thing (where he was noticeably placed away from Stewart and other new cast members) was a bit of misdirection.

https://twitter.com/primevideouk/status/1152874990347390977

There are a series of similar perfunctory spinny-round videos for other cast members; Jeri Ryan gets to be in the tier two spinny-round (with Jonathan Del Arco, still best known for playing Hugh Borg in three TNG eps, and the actor playing the long-haired elf-lord Romulan) despite her being one of the most well-known non-TNG TNG-era stars/characters. So I don't think they're deliberately keeping Spiner & Stewart apart.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #125 on: July 21, 2019, 07:21:34 PM »
Troi and Riker will appear. Marina Sirtis just tweeted

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #126 on: July 22, 2019, 05:02:01 PM »
Focussing on the action misses the more concerning fact that nearly every single line of dialogue in that trailer is a genre cliche.

But... it's a trailer. That's what dialogue like that exists for.

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all intoned in that same hushed, quivering voice.

Hate on the voice and you can meet me in outside.

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Fuck off and listen to how real people talk, instead of writing facsimiles of facsimiles of cliches.

But... it's Star Trek.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #127 on: July 22, 2019, 05:06:05 PM »
I think it looks kind of interesting. I like that they appear to be trying to build drama from the conclusion of the most maligned chapter in the (TNG) series, rather than doing a fashionable retcon/reboot. Kind of reminds me of the "gritty" Creed films building on the bones of the most cartoonish Rocky film.

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« Reply #128 on: July 22, 2019, 05:11:42 PM »
Fuck off and listen to how real people talk, instead of writing facsimiles of facsimiles of cliches.

I appreciate your advice and concern but this is not the time for rash actions.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #129 on: July 22, 2019, 06:56:25 PM »
I appreciate your advice and concern but this is not the time for rash actions.

You just don't get it, do you?

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #130 on: July 22, 2019, 10:05:14 PM »
Kurtzman talking at the SDCC panel doesn't give me much hope. He said that TNG was made "in a more innocent, naive time", that Star Trek "has always reflected the time it was made" and that these are "darker" times.

TNG was made during the Reagan / Thatcher years and presented a utopian socialist view of the future. Picard could do what TNG did and counter the current political mood with an optimistic vision.

More importantly, it doesn't look much like TNG trek - it looks far more Abrams / Discovery.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #131 on: July 22, 2019, 10:09:20 PM »
The idea its a darker time now than the 80s and 60s is white and class privilege at its best.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #132 on: July 22, 2019, 10:40:29 PM »
Thing is, a story about Picard diplomatting around a more cynical postwar Federation could be dead good. Set him up against some charismatic populist who's ranting about lost vigor and never-againing people into a militant League of Arseholes. Writes itself.

I have a suspicion the actual show will be about heroic destiny and the importance of family.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #133 on: July 23, 2019, 01:37:38 AM »
Will Joss Whedon be getting a royalty cheque for the use of the kick-ass yet vulnerable girl trope?

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #134 on: July 23, 2019, 01:41:06 AM »
This looks great, I'm super hyped! 
(Wait this is cab... rawr it'll be shit and other such pessimism and misery)

Wasn't expecting Seven or Data.  Jeri Ryan seems to be one of those people who just doesn't bother to age, and with all respect to Brent Spiner they've done an impressive job with de-aging for Data.

It's sad reflection on Youtube though that the high up results other than the trailer are "anti SJW" pillocks like Nerdrotic and Dave Cullen.  Yes yes it has women and POC in it, welcome to the 1960s, do keep up.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #135 on: July 23, 2019, 01:52:15 AM »
This looks great, I'm super hyped! 
(Wait this is cab... rawr it'll be shit and other such pessimism and misery)

Wasn't expecting Seven or Data.  Jeri Ryan seems to be one of those people who just doesn't bother to age, and with all respect to Brent Spiner they've done an impressive job with de-aging for Data.

It's sad reflection on Youtube though that the high up results other than the trailer are "anti SJW" pillocks like Nerdrotic and Dave Cullen.  Yes yes it has women and POC in it, welcome to the 1960s, do keep up.

Yes, and it's become the depressing norm to read silly comments like, "Picard has been sidelined by a girl and non-white people in his own show!"

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #136 on: August 02, 2019, 12:32:36 AM »
Kurtzman talking at the SDCC panel doesn't give me much hope. He said that TNG was made "in a more innocent, naive time", that Star Trek "has always reflected the time it was made" and that these are "darker" times.

I hate that stupid fucking rhetoric. Used that shite in the marketing of the last Doctor Who series too. Ooh we need a pillar of hope in these dark times!!!! Fuck off. Doctor Who gurning at an alien wouldn't have helped at any tragic point in history and it doesn't make a difference now.

Alex Kurtzman is showrunning a series based on The Man Who Fell to Earth. https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/man-who-fell-to-earth-series-cbs-all-access-alex-kurtzman-jenny-lumet-1203286566/

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #137 on: August 02, 2019, 09:13:28 AM »
I hate that stupid fucking rhetoric. Used that shite in the marketing of the last Doctor Who series too. Ooh we need a pillar of hope in these dark times!!!!

Yes, those innocent care-free days of Iran Contra, Greneda and the President being a senile puppet.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #138 on: August 02, 2019, 10:49:54 AM »
Yes, those innocent care-free days of Iran Contra, Greneda and the President being a senile puppet.

I miss the comforting threat of nuclear annihilation hanging over our heads.