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mothman

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #60 on: July 10, 2019, 10:45:12 PM »
Kurtzman had been rumoured to have been fired from his position as showrunner, months in advance of the announcment of Chabon replacing him.  This isn't a pre-planned thing at all.  Although CBS are doing their darnedest to downplay the negative whispers going throughout the grapevine.

His replacement as showrunner when he’s already running Discovery could be for any number of valid reasons, and unrelated to “rumours” from months before.

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A test screening as reported to one of said 'clickbait-looking youtube vlogs', provided by a trusted source, who along with the vloger, has been proven to be right about such things time and time again.

Are these the same ones that said Netflix were furious and wanted to drop the show even before s1 aired?

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The report said that they were shooting an inordinately disproportionate amount of scenes in front of a green screen, not that they weren't any physical sets at all.  Naturally, CBS is going to choose behind the scenes shots from the times when there were physical sets present.

Does it matter? More of Disco was virtual sets than most people realise.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2019, 10:46:09 PM »
It's not that he has a dog, it's that it's the wrong type of dog.  Picard is a total poodle man.  CBS simply do not understand the character.

Stewart is famously a dog lover, I doubt he'd let them give Picard an inappropriate dog. Or are you claiming to have more insight into Picard's character (canine prefs n' all) than Sir Patrick?

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2019, 10:47:02 PM »
I'm 35 years old and I'm arguing on the internet about Captain Picard's dog.

St_Eddie

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2019, 11:11:23 PM »
Stewart is famously a dog lover, I doubt he'd let them give Picard an inappropriate dog. Or are you claiming to have more insight into Picard's character (canine prefs n' all) than Sir Patrick?

I was merely being facetious.  I can count on one hand the number of Star Trek episodes that I've seen (from across all of its various iterations).  I honestly wouldn't know whether Picard is a dog lover or not, much less what kind breed he would favour.

I'm 35 years old and I'm arguing on the internet about Captain Picard's dog.

If the Internet was invented for anything, it was invented for this.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2019, 12:01:55 AM »
After watching that teaser, I'm going to feel let down if it isn't a Star Trek themed remake of The Prisoner.

The Starfleet badge on the dog’s collar is inscribed “No. 1.” Yes, really.

Fucking hell, lads, it's happening...

Zetetic

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2019, 01:24:24 AM »
We don't know that the presence of the dog isn't just coincidental.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2019, 01:29:12 AM »
The dog is voiced by Brent Spiner and is the next form of Data... but sassier

Old Nehamkin

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2019, 07:34:15 AM »
Kurtzman had been rumoured to have been fired from his position as showrunner, months in advance of the announcement of Chabon replacing him.  This isn't a pre-planned thing at all.  Although CBS are doing their darnedest to downplay the negative whispers going throughout the grapevine.

He's still in charge of overseeing the franchise as a whole though, isn't he? Seems a bit unbelievable that CBS were dissatisfied enough with him to boot him off Picard, but are still happy to have him manage the launch of the Section 31 show, The Lower Decks, and whatever else is in the pipeline (again, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Kurtzman has stepped down from any of these projects and I'm not sure it would have ever been feasible for him to carry on a full-time showrunning role at the same time).

I'm just generally extremely wary of the ever-growing cottage industry of Youtube channels that pump out dubiously-sourced "chaos behind the scenes" stories about contentious nerd franchises (there’s about a million of these for the last Star Wars film that keep turning up in my recommendations – for some reason about half of them seem to feature a thumbnail of Laura Dern’s character with the purple hair).

Midnight’s Edge is an example that seems to have spawned a lot of imitators and which people still cite as a credible source despite its history of pushing unverified conspiracy nonsense that’s been proven wrong time and time again.
 

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2019, 07:44:43 AM »
And the thing is, if you create those videos for every big film, eventually you will be proved right and then that can be used as back-up for every other bullshit video you post from that point on

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2019, 12:02:10 PM »
Fair enough.  I only posted the information because I thought that it might be of interest to the fans (as I previously stated, I'm not a fan of Star Trek myself - I just follow film and TV news/rumours as a fan of the medium).  I'm 90% sure that time will be prove the rumours to be correct (the people reporting them have reliable sources and always try to get verification from separate trusted sources) but if you choose to disregard those rumours then that's cool too.  Just don't be surprised should they turn out to be on the money.
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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2019, 12:07:29 PM »
Midnight’s Edge is an example...

Midnight's Edge is a channel that have a proven track record.  You may not like them but they choose their reporters based upon those who have no vested interest or bias towards a franchise and therefore no agenda to warp the truth.  They're a very reliable source of behind the scenes rumblings.  I'd say at an estimate, 85-95% of their leaks have been proven to be correct once the film/TV shows are released, months down the line, and the dust has settled.

Again, as someone who's not into Star Trek myself, it seems a little bit like some folk within this thread are sticking their fingers in their ears and poo-pooing all reports simply because they don't want the series to be a failure.  I hope that the show is good because I don't want the fans to be upset but sometimes you have to be realistic and objective about these things and judge them upon probability of likelihood.  At the very least, entertain the notion that the reports might be correct.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2019, 12:46:33 PM »
I heard a rumour that one of the vlogers was going to try to merge with Commander Decker.

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Again, as someone who's not into Star Trek myself, it seems a little bit like some folk within this thread are sticking their fingers in their ears and poo-pooing all reports simply because they don't want the series to be a failure.

More likely it's they rightfully disregard this sort of thing as unfounded rumour and speculation, and not worth investing any time or engagement in. The show will be on when it's on. Why the haste to dismiss as terrible something you say yourself you have no interest in, other than it being part of your apparent continued grudge against major Hollywood studios?

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #72 on: July 11, 2019, 12:54:26 PM »
Midnight's Edge is a channel that have a proven track record.  You may not like them but they choose their reporters based upon those who have no vested interest or bias towards a franchise and therefore no agenda to warp the truth.  They're a very reliable source of behind the scenes rumblings.  I'd say at an estimate, 85-95% of their leaks have been proven to be correct once the film/TV shows are released, months down the line, and the dust has settled.

Again, as someone who's not into Star Trek myself, it seems a little bit like some folk within this thread are sticking their fingers in their ears and poo-pooing all reports simply because they don't want the series to be a failure.  I hope that the show is good because I don't want the fans to be upset but sometimes you have to be realistic and objective about these things and judge them upon probability of likelihood.  At the very least, entertain the notion that the reports might be correct.

They confidently predicted the cancellation of Star Trek Discovery after the first season and then again after the second (season 3 is currently in pre-production). They also claimed that Netflix were dropping the international rights to the show after the first season because they weren’t satisfied with its performance (Netflix did continue to carry the show, of course, including the Short Treks series which, again, Midnight’s Edge insisted would not be on the service). They  pushed an embarrassingly contrived consipracy theory about the producers scheming to destroy the “canon” of the original series through some nefarious trickery involving licensing. I believe the gist was that the current franchise was legally required to exist in a distinct universe from the orignal shows, by some arbitrary measure (in reality, Discovery season 2 ended up using footage taken directly from The Cage as well as several characters from the original series, and of course the Picard show will exist in the same continuity as TNG and it’s film spin-offs – even incorporating certain plot elements from the Abrams films, according to the plot sypnosis.  CBS does actually own the franchise outright at this point and Midnight Edge’s handwringing about “licenses” is really just confused nonsense).

I’m sorry, but I see this guy cited religiously in discussions about this show and everything I’ve seen from him just unravels instantly into feeble guesswork, misrepresentation and confirmation bias. 

Incidentally, I’ve got very mixed feelings about Discovery and I can see a million ways they could fuck up the Picard show. I think Alex Kurtzman is a complete hack and any reduction in his creative involvement in Star Trek would be a plus for me. But… honestly I’ve lost my train of thought. I hope there’s a bit where Picard says “make it so” to his dog for some reason.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2019, 12:54:51 PM »
I heard a rumour that one of the vlogers was going to try to merge with Commander Decker.

More likely it's they rightfully disregard this sort of thing as unfounded rumour and speculation, and not worth investing any time or engagement in. The show will be on when it's on. Why the haste to dismiss as terrible something you say yourself you have no interest in, other than it being part of your apparent continued grudge against major Hollywood studios?

Sorry for trying to provide the fans with some tidbits of information.  I won't bother to do so in future.  Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to my "grudge against major Hollywood studios".  Oh, sorry, that's just one studio; Disney (who absolutely warrant it).

If you don't like the message, then try not to shoot the messenger who dared to provide some information to the fans as a courtesy.

On that note, I'm outta this thread.  Goodbye.

EDIT: At least Old Nehamkin provided an intelligent argument and rebuttable against the rumours, as opposed to resorting to attacks upon my character.  You raise some fair points, Old Nehamkin.
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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2019, 01:24:16 PM »
When they doing Star Trek 4

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2019, 01:30:10 PM »
If you don't like the message, then try not to shoot the messenger who dared to provide some information to the fans as a courtesy.

You're right, we should be thanking you for parrotting unfounded rumour and conspiracy theories from dubious sources on a subject you neither know about.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2019, 01:33:52 PM »
He's left the thread, mate. There's no way he's going to come back (Other than 10 minutes later to edit his "I'm leaving this thread" post). You're wasting your time - he's gone.

Alberon

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2019, 02:41:20 PM »
The constant doom and gloom rumours for this and just about every other show in existence gets annoying. I’ve no problem with people reposting it here but I also have no problem with rebuttals as well.

Discovery still hasn’t found its feet. When Pike’s Enterprise flew off at the end of the last season I wanted to follow them instead. Michael Burnham is just an intensely annoying and unlikeable character.

I have hope for the Picard series, if only for Patrick Stewart hopeful having a handle on how the character should be played.

Star Trek 4, the direct sequel to Beyond is dead. But Tarantino’s Star Trek film still seems alive at this point.

Blumf

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2019, 03:42:38 PM »
I have hope for the Picard series, if only for Patrick Stewart hopeful having a handle on how the character should be played.

Eeh, the TNG films sadly show that it isn't a guarantee. From the stoic philosophical diplomat of the TV series to shouty aaaarrggghh man of the films.


(And that was one of the better TNG films!)

Patrick Stewart can rescue duff dialogue, but he can't fix duff stories.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2019, 06:01:20 PM »
The only thing that angers me about the Picard poster is that it's yet another example of the "maximum of only two main colours allowed in anything" madness I mentioned in the Suspiria remake thread.

I really like that dog.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2019, 06:36:40 PM »
Midnight's Edge really blew apart their credibility with the whole Discovery thing, but what made me crack and permanently unsub was their blatant dog-whistling to bigots via an endless stream of videos about what a disaster the Captain Marvel film was going to be. You only to glimpse the top comments underneath any of those to see the kind of audience they were cultivating and I want no part of any of that, ta.

mothman

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2019, 07:29:04 PM »
Exactly. It’s always felt to me like there was a large overlap between all these doomsaying Disco-bashers and people with questionable racial and gender views. The show - shows, eventually - isn’t perfect but it became obvious early on that there was a whole basket of deplorables willing it to fail. When they’re handed a massive fuckup like The Last Jedi, it’s easy for them to make hay. But with Disco they have to fall back on ominous tales of murky backstage goings-on to make their point.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2019, 10:09:48 PM »
How do we know it's a dog? That's just racist. Could be an alien species that just happens to look like a dog. Anyway, it could be worse. Could have been a cat. Filthy animals, cats.

Zetetic

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2019, 10:23:41 PM »
I don't even see the dog anymore.

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« Reply #84 on: July 11, 2019, 10:26:41 PM »
I honestly have to say this dog thing actually has me worried for how the show is gunna turn out. Same cultural marxist bullshit that gave us Captain Marvel and a female lead in STD. I only like women and dogs in porno, exclusively.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2019, 12:59:33 AM »
I don't even see the dog anymore.

What led to you breaking up with the dog?

Alberon

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #86 on: July 18, 2019, 01:40:10 PM »
A photo from an actual episode, presumably the first.


Click for bigness.

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #87 on: July 18, 2019, 02:15:53 PM »
Last of the Summer Kanar

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Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #88 on: July 18, 2019, 03:24:55 PM »
That picture is only cropped because the rest of the frame is blown out.

Re: Star Trek - Picard show
« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2019, 10:29:06 AM »
At least he isn't wearing the standard Star Trek future relaxo gear of a beige open neck wraparound shirt, cut off beige dressing gown, or beige sleeveless jacket with brightly coloured triangle decoration. Progress.