Topic: "art" games that are fucking terrible

[The Boston Crab]

I stand by every word of that. It's a dirty idea these days that anything is simply better than anything else because every choice and opinion is validated by one insane hive mind or another. In a thin skinned culture of customisation and echo chambers, it's inconceivable for your identity or belief system to be challenged by a higher authority. Cognitive dissonance, endorphin uber alles. The death of truth. The growth of anti-vax, flat Earth and ComiCon. In a devolved civilisation where pop culture is held up as the highest artistic achievement and phatic recognition justifies the existence of any creative endeavour, it's important to let people know that they are basic waste, troglodyte scum, so suffocated by the intellectual and spiritual ground zero of nerd culture that they believe the Blade Trilogy to be a transcendental experience, that the musical episode of Buffy is a subversive call to arms. If artistic endeavour is to retain any value in this irreversible slide towards cultural mulch, it is important that one person says, no, we have forgotten the old Gods: Raphael's Ascension, Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel and Darius 2.

[St_Eddie]

You see, at a fundamental level, I don't disagree with what you're saying.  In fact, I largely agree.  It's more how you're saying it.  Comments such as these are what I'm referring to...

...you thick fucking pond life nerd scum.

No shame in driving off a cliff because your wrong about a film or a game, it's honourable in some socieities.

Some things are simply BETTER in a way you are not evolved enough to understand.

...it's important to let people know that they are basic waste, troglodyte scum...

[Cold Meat Platter]

I stand by every word of that. It's a dirty idea these days that anything is simply better than anything else because every choice and opinion is validated by one insane hive mind or another. In a thin skinned culture of customised lifestyles, it's very threatening for your idiotic identity or belief system to be challenged by a higher authority. It's the death of the expert. It's the reason for the growth of the anti-vax or flat Earth numbskulls. Likewise, in a devolved civilisation where pop culture is held up as the highest artistic achievement and phatic recognition justifies the existence of any creative endeavour, it's important to let people know that they are basic waste, troglodyte scum, so suffocated by the intellectual and spiritual ground zero of nerd culture that they believe the Blade Trilogy to be a transcendental experience, that the musical episode of Buffy is a subversive call to arms. If artistic endeavour is to retain any value in this irreversible slide towards cultural mulch, it is important that one person says, no, we have forgotten the old Gods: Raphael's Ascension, Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel and Darius 2.

I'm imagining "Thaxted" by Holst behind this. I don't mind telling you I'm in floods of tears.
Darius is utter fucking dogshit though.

[The Boston Crab]

You see, at a fundamental level, I don't disagree with what you're saying.  In fact, I largely agree.  It's more how you're saying it.  Comments such as these are what I'm referring to...

Probably the best, most truthful and most heartfelt thing I've ever said anywhere, it feels so refreshing.

[madhair60]

I stood up and clapped.

[madhair60]

I sat down and crapped.

[FerriswheelBueller]

It’s a wonder that gaming pub didn’t take off with the owner giving tirades like that to the punters over the Fifa 2019 tournament scoreboard.

[castro diaz]

You see, at a fundamental level, I don't disagree with what you're saying.  In fact, I largely agree.  It's more how you're saying it.  Comments such as these are what I'm referring to...

Eddie you complete peel he’s talking utter, deliberate wank but he’s putting all the words in the correct order which is far more important.  It is a canny play that was also employed to great acclaim by the aforementioned A. Hitler.

[boki]

It’s a wonder that gaming pub didn’t take off with the owner giving tirades like that to the punters over the Fifa 2019 tournament scoreboard.

The gaming pub was a financial failure because there were too few people on the game.

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

Is Shadow of the Colossus considered an art game? Gameplay wise, it's basically a standard action game, but it's also sort of a proto walking sim. And it sure is a load of bollocks.

[St_Eddie]

Is Shadow of the Colossus considered an art game? Gameplay wise, it's basically a standard action game, but it's also sort of a proto walking sim. And it sure is a load of bollocks.

Shadow of the Colossus is a good game, in my opinion.  Large stretches of it can be kinda dull (traveling from one location to another) but that's by design, as the player is supposed to feel isolated in a desolate landscape.  Ico on the other hand, is a game which I could never quite gel with (in no small part because it's essentially one long escort mission).  I've tried to play it twice now and on both occasions I get bored and give up at around the halfway point.

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

Bah! Ico is a masterpiece. Shadow of the Colossus is plops. I agree about it being boring, but it's the fights that are the truly tedious part. It's quite an accomplishment in its own way, but not a laudable one.

[Sin Agog]

I like the chilled, wandering nature of a lot of the games mentioned here, but Spec Ops: The Line is supposedly the thinking man's FPS, the Apocalypse Now of vidya games, but in reality it's an awkward third-person shooter with a have your cake and eat it half-baked plot that completely muddled up its anti-war message and had a thoroughly hacky ending that's only one tiny step above 'it was all a dream.'

[Sin Agog]

And Ico is still lovely.  Was playing the remastered two-fer not too long ago, and the scale of that giant fucking bridge three-quarters in was still pretty amazing.  Can see why it inspired that From Software geezer.

[popcorn]

Ico is one of the most influential games of all time. It basically invented art games and indie games simultaneously. The minimalism, the puzzle-platform thing, the use of music, the lack of HUD, the bloom, the lack of dialogue. I don't know why people aren't saying this all the time, how stuff like Limbo is just Ico.

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

Hud Bloom would be a good name for a private eye. Maybe in a point and click adventure game, or something.

I was thinking of getting Ico on the PS4, but it seems they've made it exclusive to that streaming subscription thing and to hell with that, quite frankly.

[St_Eddie]

I should clarify that I want to like Ico, I really do.  I admire it.  I recognise its objective qualities.  It's just that subjectively, I find it to be dull, dull, dull.  That's entirely on me though and not the game itself.  It's just a personal taste thing.

[popcorn]

How could someone like Resident Evil 1 and not like Ico. They must be some sort of opposites person.

I think Ico has the best final act of any game ever. I can't think of anything so dreamy and so urgent, something that so perfectly captured a mood. I had a save game for the final hour that I used to replay over and over and over again.

[madhair60]

They're totally different games in both aesthetic and feel

[Sin Agog]

They're both zombie games when you think about it.

[popcorn]

They're totally different games in both aesthetic and feel

Yeah but RE1 is shit and Ico is ace.

[bgmnts]

How can you be so wrong?

[St_Eddie]

How can you be so wrong?

You're wasting your time.  You simply will not be told.  He's a stubborn woolly, grass munching git.

[Twed]

Fat zombies overweight Icos

Both are weighty with pies, just give up and turn into large slime

[Mister Six]

Spiderman

Spider-Man is good, though, you stupid CUNT.

[Shaky]

I should clarify that I want to like Ico, I really do.  I admire it.  I recognise its objective qualities.  It's just that subjectively, I find it to be dull, dull, dull.  That's entirely on me though and not the game itself.  It's just a personal taste thing.

I've always found it far more involving to watch someone else play Ico. Quite captivating, actually.

[The Boston Crab]

Spider-Man is good, though, you stupid CUNT.

The exact response I'd expect from Spider-Man. Finally blew your cover.

[Mister Six]

DAMMIT, JAMESON!

[alan nagsworth]

does mario paint count as art game

mario paint is good

[St_Eddie]

I've always found it far more involving to watch someone else play Ico. Quite captivating, actually.

I could well imagine that.  A smoke in hand.  Yeah, for sure.  I'd certainly prefer that to playing it myself and I don't mean that disparagingly.