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Autopsy Turvey

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“Tommy”.

It's just easier than having to type 'Stephen so-called Yaxley pisswomble Nazi gammon Lennon cunt if that is his real name' all the time.

Buelligan

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Seriously, me old darling, why are you bothering?  Defend Robinson/Yaxley Lennon if you want, it's your right.  But out of all the people to carry a torch for, him?

Come on, think about it.  What good thing has he ever said or done?  What gentle, wise, open thing does he stand for? 

The man's a living example of a frightened little person of limited wit and education reacting in base ways.  It's understandable, you can feel sorry for him, but admiring him or respecting him, justifying him, when there are so many, many, more good, genuinely upliftingly good, things to work for and support is plain foolish.  It's a waste of your life.  Which is yours to waste but you can stop if you want too and do something enjoyable and worthwhile.

Just think about it, eh?

This is not a correct summary of why Tommy went to Stuchbery's house, but it's not your fault, you'll have noticed there's only ever one side heard of any story involving Tommy. Evidently Stuchbery had instigated the intimidation of Tommy's family, there had been antifa goons marauding around outside his in-laws' house where his wife and children were staying, when it was publicly known that Tommy was out of the country. Tommy went round Stuchbery's house - on his own - to ask him about the use of doorstepping as an intimidation tactic.

Utter bollocks and you know it. It's not the first time he's done it either.

Mobius

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Wae the name Tommy Robinson focus-grouped do you reckon

Buelligan

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Apparently he stole it from famous man in gear, Tommy Robinson, of Luton fandom and hooliganism, because, in his own words

Quote from: Stephen Yaxley-Lennon
...due to the influence of a poisonous uncle I had, who were [sic] jealous of Tommy his whole life. And it was his influence telling me, when I was using different names (they included Mikey and Wayne King – “it sounds like wanking, when you say it. Victoria Derbyshire introduced me, ‘now we have Wayne King’, and I was cracking up” Robinson explained). He was like, ‘use Tommy Robinson, use Tommy Robinson, it will get all the heat on him’.

What heat, one wonders?  What exactly was the heat he was anticipating?  Stupid fucking plum, should've gone with Wayne Kerr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luton_Town_MIGs

i've only skim read this but i actually think it's perfectly good that tommy robinson just laid out that guy who was probably a nazi - really makes me think. in many ways, aren't muslims the real nazis? after all, they hate gays. yes, i think actually muslims and socialists are nazis, and tommy is defending gays, bravely.

imitationleather

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The other day I saw a family of rock and rollers walking down the street. Mum, dad and two children of around ten years old. All dressed up like rock and rollers from the '50s. It was very sweet.

Anyway, the boy child one really reminded me of what Tommy Robinson looks like when he wears a suit.

Utter bollocks and you know it. It's not the first time he's done it either.
Robinson turned up at the Zelo Street guy's home very late one night, didn't he? Not alone, either, he brought the goon squad along.

He did indeed.

Perhaps his theatrical emphasis that the far right needs fucking fighting has been vindicated by the fact that Tommy Robinson and several of his thick fans have turned up at Mike's house in order to physically intimidate him into stopping his criticism of Tommy.

I'm not defending Robinson, I think he's a fascist thug, but Stuchbery isn't innocent either. I don't want to keep going around in circles but I would like to again point out that Mike 'never stop punching the alt right' Stuchbery went into panic mode and locked himself in doors when he had that chance. If you're not prepared to punch the punch you shouldn't tweet the tweet.

Autopsy Turvey

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Seriously, me old darling, why are you bothering?  Defend Robinson/Yaxley Lennon if you want, it's your right.  But out of all the people to carry a torch for, him?

I was one of those people who for nearly ten years just sort of took in via mainstream and social media osmosis the idea that 'Tommy so-called if that is his real name Robinson' was a dangerous aggro far-right hate-preacher trying to whip up race hate like a little tinpot Luton Hitler, to the extent where I'd notice having irrational physical reactions to hearing his name - my heart would sink or my skin would crawl or stomach turn or brow furrow. Everyone with any kind of platform backed up this perception.
But I realised I'd never actually heard him explain what he believes, so I watched some of his videos, and I discovered that he wasn't those things. Which is presumably why all these media platforms are so desperate to bury him, because it was so easy for people to circumvent the Two Minutes Hate narrative by going straight to the source and weighing up the reality for themselves.

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Come on, think about it.  What good thing has he ever said or done? 

Well in his Oxford Union address he at least made a decent fist of accounting for himself, what he believes and how he came to have these perspectives. I shan't post the link, god forbid, but it's still up on YouTube, for now, and is quite reasonable and illuminating.

What heat, one wonders?  What exactly was the heat he was anticipating?

What heat was he expecting by criticising radical Islam?

Cuellar

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so I watched some of his videos, and I discovered that he wasn't those things.

I am staggered to learn that in his own videos that he edits and creates he doesn't come across like a cretinous lunatic.

what's important to note is that even though tommy was in the bnp he left because they were racist, and even though he named himself after a famous hooligan and even though he started a 100 man brawl in 2010 and even though he was convicted of headbutting a fellow edl member in 2011 and even though there's a video just come to light of him sucker punching a guy who dared to say words at him he actually deeply regrets all those things and abhors violence and wants an open and honest conversation about the dangers of politicised islamic extremism and that doesnt mean he hates muslims because even though he said that every muslim bore the responsibility for the 7/7 terror attacks and that islam was a violent fascist religion he actually took it back and apologised and even though he founded britain's premier far-right islamophobic pressure group that exists solely around chanting about how awful muslims are en masse in high streets the length and breadth of this country he actually then left that group because it was far-right and islamophobic, which must have been quite the shock when he realised, and even though he had directly sent anti-islam messages to the far-right terrorist who committed the finsbury park mosque attacks and then blamed that attack on the mosque itself for "promoting hate" and even though when footage came to light of a child refugee being attacked and bullied by racist classmates tommy immediately decided to attack the victim spreading lies to try and justify the attack, he probably didn't mean any of that and it probably wasn't anything to do with him being a committed islamophobe.

 i think when you look at the words he's said rather than the things he's done - not all the words he's said mind, but the least objectionable and abhorrent ones- it's actually fairly obvious that he's a decent bloke who's been stitched up by the mainstream media, even though he's appeared on victoria derbyshire and been allowed to present his "reasonable tommy concerns" face and even though the bbc produced a documentary about him in 2013 that showed him as a sort of road to damascus type without any actual conversion but with plenty of footage of him chatting with a muslim anti-islamophobia campaigner to burnish his "actually an alright guy" credentials.

so yes, go on puppets, have your 15 minutes of hate at this obviously decent and alright man, who says he is honest and decent and not racist and has never done anything to make anybody doubt the truth of that, have your hate, get involved in your virtue signalling little twitter mob but i, A Smart Man Who's Looked At The Facts, i will know the truth that you sheep deny yourselves.

sincerely,

bellend.

Buelligan

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I am staggered to learn that in his own videos that he edits and creates he doesn't come across like a cretinous lunatic.

I'll think you'll find he does.  He didn't get where his is today...

Seriously, AT, give me a paragraph or so, detailing one genuinely good, wise, decent humane thing that Tommy Y-L has ever said.  I'm never going to click a Tommy-link, not only would it fuck my algorithm for weeks but it would actually benefit him and I am never ever going to do that.  So just pour a little Tommy-wisdom into my shell-like.  Thanks in advance.

Autopsy Turvey

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I am staggered to learn that in his own videos that he edits and creates he doesn't come across like a cretinous lunatic.

Well which is it, is he a blatant knuckledragging moron fascist thug prepared to declare via social media that Muslims should be beheaded, or is he a cunning master of optics and manipulation hiding his genocidal impulses behind a facade of respectability?

I'd love to compile the Wit and Wisdom of Tommy Robinson for you Beulls, if I was getting expenses, but the problem is that mostly how he communicates is through speaking rather than writing, so it would have to involve a good deal of transcribing. The Oxford Union video is the best intro, it won't affect your algorithms if you watch a few more Oxford Union addresses, they'll just think you love the Oxford Union, and they have some good talks so that shouldn't be too horrendous.

Lovely withering bit of state-approved satire Gerald Fjord, but:

directly sent anti-islam messages to the far-right terrorist who committed the finsbury park mosque attacks

"The two messages from Mr Robinson were automated emails sent out to a mailing list of subscribers", according to the journalist who 'broke' the story. One concerned a protest march, the other concerned a campaign about an alleged rape cover-up. These are 'anti-Islam' I suppose in the way that protesting against Catholic sex abuse is 'anti-Christian'.

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and then blamed that attack on the mosque itself for "promoting hate"

He said Finsbury Park mosque has "a long history of creating terrorists & radical jihadists & promoting hate & segregation." Is this disputable?

Endicott

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I'm not defending Robinson, I think he's a fascist thug, but Stuchbery isn't innocent either. I don't want to keep going around in circles but I would like to again point out that Mike 'never stop punching the alt right' Stuchbery went into panic mode and locked himself in doors when he had that chance. If you're not prepared to punch the punch you shouldn't tweet the tweet.

What you appear to be saying, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but you appear to saying that if say, a gang of thugs turn up in the night and start banging on your door and shouting for you to come out, that it is a viable option for you to go outside and confront them and if possible hit them. And not the absolute height of stupidity that most of us would assume such an action to be.

Personally, and again perhaps I'm wrong, but I think it's possible to construct a criticism of Stuchbery without advocating such an idiotic action.

I was one of those people who for nearly ten years just sort of took in via mainstream and social media osmosis the idea that 'Tommy so-called if that is his real name Robinson' was a dangerous aggro far-right hate-preacher trying to whip up race hate like a little tinpot Luton Hitler, to the extent where I'd notice having irrational physical reactions to hearing his name - my heart would sink or my skin would crawl or stomach turn or brow furrow. Everyone with any kind of platform backed up this perception.
But I realised I'd never actually heard him explain what he believes, so I watched some of his videos, and I discovered that he wasn't those things. Which is presumably why all these media platforms are so desperate to bury him, because it was so easy for people to circumvent the Two Minutes Hate narrative by going straight to the source and weighing up the reality for themselves.


Ha. Quite the tall tale.

And "state approved" - nice.

Did SYL not lie about the Syrian boy that was assaulted?

Buelligan

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I'd love to compile the Wit and Wisdom of Tommy Robinson for you Beulls, if I was getting expenses, but the problem is that mostly how he communicates is through speaking rather than writing, so it would have to involve a good deal of transcribing. The Oxford Union video is the best intro, it won't affect your algorithms if you watch a few more Oxford Union addresses, they'll just think you love the Oxford Union, and they have some good talks so that shouldn't be too horrendous.

Nah, you're alright, I'll try watching it at someone else's next time I'm away from home.  Should give you pause for thought though, if you really cannot write down one or two sentences detailing something really positive your lad has said, that's a bit questionable isn't it?  I mean, even Adolf liked dogs and was a vegetarian.

Lovely withering bit of state-approved satire Gerald Fjord
oh shit, fact man's here to show me up for the mainstream stooge i am. he's gonna realise i havent done my homework and come back with some unanswerable counterpoints to (two items on) the laundry list of tommy robinson offences i just posted.

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"The two messages from Mr Robinson were automated emails sent out to a mailing list of subscribers", according to the journalist who 'broke' the story. One concerned a protest march, the other concerned a campaign about an alleged rape cover-up. These are 'anti-Islam' I suppose in the way that protesting against Catholic sex abuse is 'anti-Christian'.
so he directly sent messages to osborne plus everyone else on his mailing list which is actually better, and anyway he was just airing reasonable concerns, concerns like “There is a nation within a nation forming just beneath the surface of the UK. It is a nation built on hatred, on violence and on Islam” which are perfectly reasonable and not copy and pasted passages from the 1936 edition of The Fascist Rhetorician's Playbook.

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He said Finsbury Park mosque has "a long history of creating terrorists & radical jihadists & promoting hate & segregation." Is this disputable?
he said the raped and murdered sex worker had "a long history of taking cocks". is this disputable?

just look at the facts, man. he says he isn't a far-right hatemonger. or do you believe everything the news tells you.

What you appear to be saying, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but you appear to saying that if say, a gang of thugs turn up in the night and start banging on your door and shouting for you to come out, that it is a viable option for you to go outside and confront them and if possible hit them. And not the absolute height of stupidity that most of us would assume such an action to be.

Personally, and again perhaps I'm wrong, but I think it's possible to construct a criticism of Stuchbery without advocating such an idiotic action.

I never said he should do that, but he did.




Kryton

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Still waiting for a reply to Buelligan's question. What has 'Tommy' done that offers any sort of positivity in this world? What beneficial changes can he offer to community? Anything even remotely progressive? Or is he just in fact a negative, hate-filled violent cunt?

C'mon name ONE thing that 'Tommy' offers that brings goodness to society?

Cuellar

  • She was having sly love with a midnight creeper
Well which is it, is he a blatant knuckledragging moron fascist thug prepared to declare via social media that Muslims should be beheaded, or is he a cunning master of optics and manipulation hiding his genocidal impulses behind a facade of respectability?

It's obviously not either/or - you don't need to be a 'cunning master of optics' to upload videos where you DON'T deck random strangers.

Autopsy Turvey

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so he directly sent messages to osborne plus everyone else on his mailing list which is actually better

He sent a newsletter to the people who'd subscribed for a newsletter, which did not contain incitement to violence. Bang to rights.

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“There is a nation within a nation forming just beneath the surface of the UK. It is a nation built on hatred, on violence and on Islam”


It might be worth briefly considering if Stephen So-Called Yakshit-Gammon If That Is His Real Name might have done more research into this subject than you have, and questioning whether the person drawing attention to the problem is actually the problem.

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he said the raped and murdered sex worker had "a long history of taking cocks". is this disputable?

This doesn't quite work as a comparison because it supposes that "taking cocks" is as serious and dangerous a social problem as the creation of terrorists and radical jihadists and the promotion of hate and segregation. The madman who committed the attack was vocal about why he did it: it was a terrible, sad, one-off, twisted-brainwrong attempt at tit-for-tat revenge for the recent radical-Islamist attacks on Westminster, London Bridge and Manchester. So maybe your comparison works better if your hypothetical sex worker had a "long history of taking cocks" by cutting them off and beating people to death with them?

Still waiting for a reply to Buelligan's question. What has 'Tommy' done that offers any sort of positivity in this world?

You seem to be demanding I point you towards some touchy-feely platitude or poetic utopian yearning for love and peace, something Ringo Starr might come out with. Otherwise, what has eg Jess Phillips or Owen Jones or any other activist, journalist or MP said that offers any sort of real positivity in this world and 'brings goodness to society'? I shall indeed get back to you with some positive Tommy quotes but I don't want to misquote or decontextualise so it means going back over several videos, many of which may no longer be online, even though I suspect they'll be sneered at as disingenuous fabrications masking his true fascistic psychopathy.

In the meantime, any racist thing you've heard him say (via your thorough and impartial sources), do flag it up. I know very little about the 'Syrian boy' saga, but if there's proof that Tommy was lying rather than simply mistaken, flag that up too.

I suppose really, when you think about it, if you think Tommy Robinson is a hateful, violent, islamophobic chancer whose turbocharged rhetoric of fear and hatred, as detailed at length above, is cancerous for society what you're actually doing is showing your ignorance and giving your tacit approval to the hateful acts of terroristic violence carried out by Islamist terrorists. what Tommy offers us, and what the establishment fears he'll give to us, is the searing analysis that radical Islamism is bad. anything else is hyperbolic extrapolation -inconveniently supported by the actual facts of tommy Robinson's life, deeds, and actions- by the state sponsored mouthpieces who want to smear those who'd dare speak out against the elite engineered consensus that, erm, terrorism is good?

come on. I know plenty about what Robinson does and what he says. this isn't an issue of ignorance of what he is and you trying to put us sheeple right. This isn't about speech and freedom. so let's drop the tedious meta-discussion and get to the actual fact of things: why do you think the presence of Islam, as it actually exists within this country, is a Bad Thing for Britain?

Autopsy Turvey

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why do you think the presence of Islam, as it actually exists within this country, is a Bad Thing for Britain?

Bloody hell man, this is a massive subject, whole books have been written on this, including by lapsed Muslims. If anyone wants to chuck me 10p a word I'll start sketching out a structure, but to cover it all will take a long time, so I'll cut and paste a few links for starters:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/islam-and-womens-rights/
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2015/may/17/losing-their-religion-british-ex-muslims-non-believers-hidden-crisis-faith

Buelligan

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Couldn't you dig up plenty of bad stuff about Christians (or many other groups)?  How balanced or reasonable do you think it would be if Tommy was carrying out a crusade against the Catholic scourge or even the dangers of allowing Jews to walk about in the UK?

Johnny Yesno

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As Akala pointed out, no one feels the need to prefix the phrase 'paedophile Jimmy Savile' with the words 'white catholic'.

Obviously being a racist is equally as bad as being a muslim or defender of muslims and so the responses to those people should be the same. And we need people like Are Tommy to tell us terrorists are bad. But only the brown ones.

In between getting put in prison for breaking the law regarding current court cases to protect children from Muslims, does he spend equal time fighting against child abuse in the Catholic church?

Considering all the legitimate criticism of Robinson there is it's a shame to resort to that kind of cheap whataboutism.

 Ahh, do these so called feminists campaign for male domestic violence victims??

It isn't whataboutery. It is a legitimate question as to why his crusade against child abuse is only targeted at one religion. Almost like it is an excuse and he doesn't really give a shit