Author Topic: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s  (Read 1775 times)

Zetetic

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2019, 04:42:17 PM »
"This hospital is horribly understaffed, and besides some people need hip replacement surgery and other people need antibiotics prescriptions."

"Therefore, we cannot have a national health service."

Zetetic

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2019, 04:43:44 PM »
(English healthcare policy for several decades.)

chveik

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #92 on: June 11, 2019, 05:00:26 PM »
some things are redeemable, some aren't. we can't live without healthcare, but it's quite easy to imagine a world without journalists.

Buelligan

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #93 on: June 11, 2019, 05:10:20 PM »
Honestly, you're a ruddy tit at times chveik, I'm just glad you're still virtually a baby-child and there's time to redeem you before the great immolation.

Johnny Yesno

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #94 on: June 11, 2019, 05:55:04 PM »
some things are redeemable, some aren't. we can't live without healthcare, but it's quite easy to imagine a world without journalists.

By Rutger Bregman's measure (How long would it take us to notice if they went on strike? (Okay, possibly a bad measure as they are in a position to tell us)), I can see how you could come to that conclusion. However, in the long term, are you seriously suggesting that we don't need anyone, backed with proper resources, to hold power to account? Most of us have other jobs that preclude us from being able to commit to doing it ourselves.

Are you sure you don't mean columnists?

chveik

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #95 on: June 11, 2019, 06:18:04 PM »
By Rutger Bregman's measure (How long would it take us to notice if they went on strike? (Okay, possibly a bad measure as they are in a position to tell us)), I can see how you could come to that conclusion. However, in the long term, are you seriously suggesting that we don't need anyone, backed with proper resources, to hold power to account? Most of us have other jobs that preclude us from being able to commit to doing it ourselves.

Are you sure you don't mean columnists?

I admire the work of a few investigative journalists, but sometimes I wonder if what they do makes any difference. some politicians and businessmen can have a dozen of trials against them, and yet they still walk freely (Sarkozy for instance). there are other ways people can hold power to account, because anyone can witness malfunctions by themselves. they media is rarely an ally when it comes to this. they always end up by welcoming with open arms any new neoliberal overlord.

I'm obviously not totally serious, and yes, columnists are probably the first to blame, but it goes far beyond them. it's just that any strategies the radical left have tried to use with the mainstream time sadly failed. if you ignore them, you're demonized (black blocs), if you criticize them violently, even the far left  sympathizing media will stab you in the back (Mélenchon), if you try to compromise with them, they'll always ask for more (Corbyn). this state of affair really saddens me.

Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #96 on: June 11, 2019, 06:30:12 PM »
If we take the MSM to be the corporate media (of which the BBC is absolutely a part), then it's definitely the case that the corporate structure of the media needs to be completely destroyed. The MSM as it stands is seldom good at either context or source-checking, nor indeed much else beyond the continuation of corporate dominance. Good journalists are great, the problem is the media only rewards good journalism if it's not too dangerous.

Just focusing on the BBC, what do people think are the best ways of democratising it?

I completely agree about the point earlier regarding abolishing the licence fee and funding it through general taxation. The question is keeping that funding independent from the whims of the government. Maybe allow an elected board/director general to set the budget; implement a wide-reaching constitution for what the BBC needs to achieve in terms of content, reach, and new technologies; and allow Ofcom to reject a budget if the current level of funding is proving inadequate to meet its constitutional needs?

In terms of representation, what about if the director general and the board were all elected from the nations and regions? And have board seats reserved for employees' representatives. Or how about a lottery of (or additional board seats for) demographically representative members of the public.

It's a widely-forgotten point, but the BBC needs to be made ad-free. It is not a non-commercial organisation - it carries advertising for via its website when accessed from abroad, as well as from the BBC World News channel, which could prejudice its coverage.

alan nagsworth

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #97 on: June 11, 2019, 07:52:08 PM »
I still like the idea of biggytitbo, just not the reality - which is fucking dog turd. The news and small bears divisions need to totally fuck off.

HAHA ROASTED

Sony Walkman Prophecies

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #98 on: June 11, 2019, 09:16:10 PM »
Ideology before function? The BBC isn't well. It hasn't been for a long time. But it's amusing to see "nationalise everything" ideologues treat it with the same rhmey-eyed regard as equally unthinking royalists. These are strange times indeed. First liberals put the economy before sovereignty, now they want to save out of touch patrician institutions which exist to give upper middle class programmers a sense of purpose. The transvaluation of the political poles is now almost complete.

The SWP workaround: keep BBC news/BBC Four documentaries, let Dementia Choir and all the other monkey tennis productions spend out their remaining days as high concept TV in North Korea.

Twed

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2019, 09:17:07 PM »
Imagine saying all those words but getting "liberals" wrong.

Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #100 on: June 11, 2019, 09:56:16 PM »
They shouldn't be watching telly anyway should be digging their own graves and meditating on the next life like a Tibetan old bastard. We live too long and too detached in our culture. Get in touch with the soil again. Get in touch with grave.

Johnny Yesno

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #101 on: June 11, 2019, 10:48:19 PM »
Imagine saying all those words but getting "liberals" wrong.

I don't know how many times he's been corrected on here regarding his use of the word, but it just doesn't sink in. He doesn't seem to realise he's not in the US.

Saying that, what he says doesn't make any sense either way.

Sony Walkman Prophecies

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #102 on: June 11, 2019, 11:33:46 PM »
Any idea what these two are on about? No. Me neither. This place grows more and more bizarre by the day.

I'll take my correct spelling elsewhere.

Johnny Yesno

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #103 on: June 11, 2019, 11:45:25 PM »
Any idea what these two are on about? No. Me neither. This place grows more and more bizarre by the day.

I'll take my correct spelling elsewhere.

Sigh.

Firstly, by definition, economic liberals would put the economy before sovereignty. I don't even know why social liberals (which is what you, in common with the American right, usually mean when you bang on about liberals) would have a dog in that fight.

Buelligan

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #104 on: June 12, 2019, 08:36:08 AM »
Also, the idea that people, in order to truly have their own ideas, must have them and keep them within the bounds of narrow predetermined political identities.  It's so pre-2016.

Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #105 on: June 12, 2019, 09:25:33 AM »
It's that same "Lexiter" argument again. That if we let the right sweep away the liberals, socialism will naturally fill the void and the demagogues will simply step aside, their work done.

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Re: TV licences to be scrapped for many over-75s
« Reply #106 on: June 12, 2019, 11:04:37 AM »
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...Mr Whittingdale told MPs: “When the decision was taken it was understood that this would be a possible outcome, not least because to maintain the existing concession would cost the BBC nearly £1billion by the end of the charter period, which would mean either huge programme cuts or increasing the licence fee for the under-75s to nearly £200.”

Yet just two years later, the Conservatives' 2017 election manifesto pledged to maintain the benefit for the rest of this Parliament – due to run until 2022...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/top-tory-knew-free-tv-16501764

I assume most of the media won't report this as it doesn't fit in with their anti-BBC agenda.