Doctor Who - Series 12, Chibnall's Revenge

[Malcy]

Having a look at promo pics for the next episode. Does the red lighting on the left remind anyone of anything?

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[Jerzy Bondov]

Yes it's TV's Bradley Walsh

[VelourSpirit]

Having a look at promo pics for the next episode. Does the red lighting on the left remind anyone of anything?

Sharaz Jek?

[Malcy]

Sharaz Jek?

Glad it wasn't just me!

[Old Gold Tooth]

My first thought was Papa Lazarou.

YOU'RE MY WIFE NOW PERI.

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Finale episode titles.

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Ascension Of The Cybermen
The Timeless Children

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Do you see, because

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the timeless child

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is not

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alone

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, just like in RTD's time when

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the Doctor

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was

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alone

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and then

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not alone

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because

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Derke Jacobi

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was

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kind

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and now the brilliantly set-up

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last Cyberman

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is going to show itself to be similarly

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not alone

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in a shocking parallel to the multiple

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timeless children

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.

It is the very definition of

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shit that writes itself

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.

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Sharaz Jek?

I'd rather have a Merlot Spaff.

[daf]

Do you see, because

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you are

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not

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alone

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, just like in RTD's time when

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I was here with you

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and then

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Though you're far away

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because

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I am here to stay

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Jambon!

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Jambon Shaz.

[Mango Chimes]

Finale episode titles.

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Ascension Of The Cybermen
The Timeless Children

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The latter, with a stifled yawn,

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are presumably the Daleks

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.

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The latter, with a stifled yawn,

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are presumably the Daleks

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.

Or

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the meddling monks

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.  Yawn!

[Alberon]

Finale episode titles.

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Ascension Of The Cybermen
The Timeless Children

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He's

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going for it then. There had been some rumours that that particular hanging thread might not be addressed again this series. It does seem

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a

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bi

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t

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mechanical. Mid-seas

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o

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n tea

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s

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er, exactly at mid-point. The

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s

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tory is going to b

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e

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something weak though. Something about sac

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r

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ificing children to the cybermen for some contrived reason or something. Timeless Children plural though. I can almost muster the enthusiasm to guess

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.

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Knowing the lack of imagination of Chris Chibnall, it'll amount to

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the Doctor

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and

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the Master

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being the

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timeless children

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, as the

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Doctor

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has already been called

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the timeless child

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prior to this and

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the Master

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is repeatedly shown to be a parallel to

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the Doctor

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in all other contexts.

Probably

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the Doctor and Master

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having to team up to defeat the Cybermen, I suspect,

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and the Master attempting to undermine and destroy the Doctor at the last moment

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, which would be nice if it evoked the 1970s in doing so, but it won't because Chibnall is shite-o.

[Alberon]

I suppose

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Lenny Henry

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might show up as well.

[Cloud]

It seems to me that things are still pointing towards the alleged leaks mentioned on Reddit where "everything has happened so far" and

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the Doctor IS the Timeless Child and had a whole set of (female) incarnations prior to the Hartnell one, supported by some kind of mind wiping fuckery and regardless of the appearance of the TARDIS and the way it takes a massive shit on Hartnell's legacy

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- but let's have some faith and hope it's not that!  Again I'm sceptical as when I asked for a source I was linked to Nerdrotic who has a clear

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Muh SJW Feminazis RUINING Doctor Who

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agenda where he's bound to gravitate towards

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the Doctor was a bunch of women and that's bad

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theories / "leaks".

[Mister Six]

It's got to be season 6B, hasn't it? Time Lord CIA take Troughton, give him a bonus regen that makes him RuthDoc, make her do all kinds of shady shit till she goes rogue. RuthDoc and Thirteen foil Time Lord plans, RuthDoc loses memory of that incarnation and regenerates into Sean Pertwee, who then gets booted out of his TARDIS and into Earth to be Doc Three.

There's precedent for this kind of thing with both War Doctor and recasting the First Doctor, and Chibnall is exactly the kind of nerd who'd try to wrangle an obscure bit of theoretical continuity[nb] Although with Who, of course, all continuity is theoretical.[/nb] into the show proper.

[Thomas]

I can see it working, in a perfunctory, bare bones sort of way - I just wish they hadn't

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called her Ruth

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If she's an actual incarnation of our Doctor and not some alternative reality version, then it's just - fuck's sake Chibnall.  At least wait until the 60th anniversary before tenuously ripping off Day of the Doctor.  Build towards it.  Have a reason for doing it and do it well instead of so badly it makes your cock bleed.

Also, MAKE A SHOW THAT EIGHT YEAR OLDS CAN WATCH WITHOUT NEEDING TO PLOD THROUGH AT LEAST ELEVEN SERIES BOX SETS BEFOREHAND.  Doctor Who is going to die soon if it obsesses over the possibility of previous unknown incarnations.  Make a show for people who don't even know what regeneration is yet.

SAVE THIS SHIT FOR VERY SPECIAL OCCASIONS ONLY.  STOP THINKING THESE GIMMICKS ARE THE CURE FOR OFFERING SUCH MUNDANE STORIES AND DIALOGUE AT ALL OTHER TIMES.

[Thomas]

I also feel that the current Doctor's personality hasn't yet been drawn well enough for us to see her confront/join forces with a brand new secret Doctor and face down bad un Time Lords. It doesn't feel like she owns the show. A new Doctor being the epicentre of drama and surprise seems unfair, even. RuthDoc has already slagged off Thirteen's comparatively bland outfit and her knack for confusion. And she has a nicer TARDIS.

When John HurtDoc insulted Ten and Eleven it was joyous and funny, as we knew them so well and they were both assuredly the Doctor in distinctive ways.

[Mister Six]

I was thinking a bit back, if I had to do a multi-Doctor story with Thirteen in it,  I'd be hard-pushed to think of ways for the other Doctors to mock her that wouldn't seem like bullying on their part or mean-spirited hatred on mine. She's just so weak and ineffectual, and her character flaws - particularly her weird liberalism compared to the fiery anarchism of previous Docs - so awful... She's just not admirable but flawed in the way that previous Docs were.

[Mango Chimes]

I was thinking a bit back, if I had to do a multi-Doctor story with Thirteen in it,  I'd be hard-pushed to think of ways for the other Doctors to mock her that wouldn't seem like bullying on their part or mean-spirited hatred on mine. She's just so weak and ineffectual, and her character flaws - particularly her weird liberalism compared to the fiery anarchism of previous Docs - so awful... She's just not admirable but flawed in the way that previous Docs were.

Ha, yes, that is a tricky one. But as a Thirteen story, it'd all be her narrating and explaining things anyway.

THIRTEEN: Oh, hello. I'm the Doctor. And you're... No way! No actual way! But this means... But that's impossible! But you're...
ELEVEN: I'm the Doctor.
RYAN: Woah. This is weird.
THIRTEEN: Oh, brilliant! This is really brilliant. I love you! I never thought I'd get to tell you, but I really love you.
YAZ: I don't understand, Doctor – who is this?
THIRTEEN: Yaz, this is me. The Doctor. But a younger Doctor. My... Eleventh Regeneration. He must've come through a time hole[nb]Placeholder dialogue that will never be rewritten[/nb]. I was younger back then, but I acted older.
ELEVEN: Hey! I'm not acting old, I'm cool. And you can talk: what happened to your trousers, a problem with the time-space differential?
THIRTEEN: But he was brilliant. He defeated the Weeping Angels. He fought his way out of the heart of the Asylum of the Daleks. Defended the universe at Trenzalore.
ELEVEN (enjoying the praise): Well, now... (But then serious) Hold on, Trenzalore? You said... Trenzalore?
GRAHAM: Hey, Doc, if you're him from the future, maybe he hasn't done that yet?
THIRTEEN: Oh! Yes, sorry. Of course: spoilers. Thanks Graham. Doctor, this is Ryan, Graham, and Yaz. My fam.
RYAN: Hey.
GRAHAM: Pleased to meet you, Doc.
YAZ: So... You're the Doctor?

Etc. etc. She can spend her time reading out what's happening. The other Doctors can remark on her clothing and sonic screwdriver, and we can all try to pretend that her defining characteristic is kindness rather than the combination of a weird nonchalance and affection for celebrities.

[Mister Six]

Ha, that's spot on, that is

[Leo2112]

Superb.

I can't imagine Thirteen being able to navigate herself out of the events of Heaven Sent, or a number of other stories really.

[Malcy]

Finale trailer with a better look at the new Cybermen.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0wkAq-MWZBo

[Delete Delete Delete]

Seems strange to be bringing in an unknown Doctor, where you could of got Paul McGann back.

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Absolutely love the "...again" that pops up after "what's still to come...  will change everything..."


Even the trailers are like "fuck this" now.

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The new Cybermen are wearing Easter baby bonnet things?

Seem a bit crap.

[daf]

Seems strange to be bringing in an unknown Doctor, where you could of got Paul McGann back.

"Sorry I can't make it - I'm stuck in the sodding time scoop . . . again!"

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Watched episode seven and I can say, without fear of censure or contradiction, that it's definitely another episode of Chibnall's Doctor Who.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Absolutely love the "...again" that pops up after "what's still to come...  will change everything..."


Even the trailers are like "fuck this" now.

Such half-arsed desperation. "Look, just fucking watch it, okay? Christ..."