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Doctor Who - Series 12, Chibnall's Revenge

Started by Deanjam, June 13, 2019, 04:35:22 PM

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Deanjam

I assume one of the characters will be called Miss Pussyfudger.

pigamus

A James Bond parody is just the sort of bland idea you'd expect from...

Ah bollocks, I was trying to be positive wasn't I.


Chairman Yang

And the first two-parter as well! Simply TOO MANY IDEAS to fit into an hour.


Quote from: Chairman Yang on December 05, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
And the first two-parter as well! Simply TOO MANY IDEAS to fit into an hour.

Or Chibnall's hit upon a brilliant way of knocking out the whole series at half the effort. Two-parters all the way.

Still can't believe the silly sod complaining about a 13 episode run proving too difficult to manage. What else has he got on?

Small Man Big Horse

Quote from: Old Gold Tooth on December 05, 2019, 12:14:56 PM
Or Chibnall's hit upon a brilliant way of knocking out the whole series at half the effort. Two-parters all the way.

Still can't believe the silly sod complaining about a 13 episode run proving too difficult to manage. What else has he got on?

That's a bit unfair on Chibnall as he must spent an awful lot of time in denial over what a horrendously shit writer he is.

Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on December 05, 2019, 01:21:38 PM
That's a bit unfair on Chibnall as he must spent an awful lot of time in denial over what a horrendously shit writer he is.

Good point. If he decided to do a warts-and-all Writer's Tale like Davies it would be a fascinating book. Or pamphlet.

VelourSpirit

Spyfall is a really witty title though. It's like, imagine Skyfall, but if it had spies. Brilliant.

Deyv

It's better than Arachnids in the UK, so he's got one over on whichever idiot thought that one up.

VelourSpirit

I think even that has at least a modicum of wit. Skyfall is just... it's already about spies! There's no joke!

Norton Canes

How long has the title of the 2020 Bond been known? Would've been a bit more topical if he'd called it... 'No Time To Regenerate'

Or something

The Roofdog

Quote from: Norton Canes on December 05, 2019, 03:05:44 PM
How long has the title of the 2020 Bond been known? Would've been a bit more topical if he'd called it... 'No Time To Regenerate'

Or something

NO TIME TO SPY it's staring you right in the face, Christ.

I mean, that makes exactly as much sense as what Chinballs has gone with.

LIVE AND LET SPY Haha


Norton Canes


pigamus

Maybe it's a remake of the Enemy of the World.

Jerzy Bondov

Maybe 'titles of films misheard by your nan' will become the new '____ of Death'


Norton Canes

The episode opens with a dead Cyberman... painted gold

etc.

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Quote from: Small Man Big Horse on December 05, 2019, 02:11:59 AM
I'd agree with Capaldi, but I thought Smith was on fire from the beginning.

I agree but I think I mean that three series isn't enough for some other reason, then.  I can't put a finger on why but both Smith and Capaldi could have done with one more series each, I think.

Smith's storylines all felt suddenly rushed to conclusion in Time of the Doctor, when one more series could have let that all breathe.  They'd barely revealed that Smith was the final incarnation of the Doctor before they went 'never mind!' and it was suddenly sorted.  Plus there was stuff in the 50th anniversary story about looking for Gallifrey that would have made a solid series arc, even if (especially if?) they'd ultimately found it behind the cracks.

As for Capaldi, we needed another year of the professor persona he finally perfected for series 10.  He took too long reaching that point and then it was finished.  It should have been two years of him and Bill, not least to rinse out the stench of Clara that had dominated his tenure.


It goes back into the classic era, too.  The 1960s Doctors had three years each but they had a ton more episodes.  The 1980s Doctors feel like an enormous rush when you binge them (granted the sixth and seventh Doctors only have the equivalent of one and a half series, but even the fifth Doctor feels truncated).  Seven years for one Doctor is obviously unlikely to occur again but I'd say four or five series would be optimum, spread over the same number of years, rather than three series in four years which is the default now.

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Quote from: Chairman Yang on December 05, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
And the first two-parter as well! Simply TOO MANY IDEAS to fit into an hour.

Episode one of series 11 had a cliffhanger so I don't know why they need to get so excited about two-parters returning.  Just have more cliffhangers.

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Quote from: TwinPeaks on December 05, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
Spyfall is a really witty title though. It's like, imagine Skyfall, but if it had spies. Brilliant.

Oh is Skyfall the name of a James Bond film?  Never knew that.

daf

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You Only Live Twelve Thirteen Times
In Her Majesty's Secret Space Museum
Daleks Are Forever
Live and Let Blink
The Man with the Sonic Screwdriver
The Meddling Monk Who Loved Me
Moonbaser
For Alpha Centaurii's Eye Only
Oodpussy
Never Say Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow Again
A View to a Kroton
The Living Daylights of St Bartholomew's Eve
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Ghost Monument Eye
Captain Jack Never Dies
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Regenerate Another Day
Horror of Casino Royale
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They live 13 times though so why would it be called that.

daf

Oops - got a bit mixed up, with it being series twelve and all - fixed it now, Ta!

Deanjam


Small Man Big Horse

Quote from: Replies From View on December 05, 2019, 04:47:51 PM
I agree but I think I mean that three series isn't enough for some other reason, then.  I can't put a finger on why but both Smith and Capaldi could have done with one more series each, I think.

Smith's storylines all felt suddenly rushed to conclusion in Time of the Doctor, when one more series could have let that all breathe.  They'd barely revealed that Smith was the final incarnation of the Doctor before they went 'never mind!' and it was suddenly sorted.  Plus there was stuff in the 50th anniversary story about looking for Gallifrey that would have made a solid series arc, even if (especially if?) they'd ultimately found it behind the cracks.

As for Capaldi, we needed another year of the professor persona he finally perfected for series 10.  He took too long reaching that point and then it was finished.  It should have been two years of him and Bill, not least to rinse out the stench of Clara that had dominated his tenure.


It goes back into the classic era, too.  The 1960s Doctors had three years each but they had a ton more episodes.  The 1980s Doctors feel like an enormous rush when you binge them (granted the sixth and seventh Doctors only have the equivalent of one and a half series, but even the fifth Doctor feels truncated).  Seven years for one Doctor is obviously unlikely to occur again but I'd say four or five series would be optimum, spread over the same number of years, rather than three series in four years which is the default now.

I definitely agree with all of that, hell I'd have been happy with another two Capaldi seasons to make up for the two Clara filled ones he was saddled with at the beginning.

Mister Six

In some perfect universe somewhere we got three full seasons of Smith/Ponds, one season of Smith/Clara (but a better actress), two seasons of Capaldi/Clara (sticking with the initial nervy characterisation and softening gradually rather than going full generic doc in season 9) and two seasons of Capaldi/Bill/Nardole (with Prof Doc).

But alas...

(Yeah, I honestly like Clara as a character and concept - I just think she was badly served by being underwritten in S7, having too many farewells and being played by a far-too-mediocre actress.)

Smith's ending was rushed as there was all sorts of stuff going on behind the scenes iirc

The ending of Day of the Doctor, with him deciding to look for Gallifrey jars with the next episode, where he err dies.

And even that finale, where there's some epic battle going on just off screen falls flat even though its got its very good moments.

Thomas

I think Moffat did a great job cramming a series' worth of tie-ups into a Christmas special when his hand was forced. A full series of breathing space and story elaboration could have been fantastic, but I like The Time of the Doctor and what it manages to achieve. Plenty of leeway in there for spin-off media adventures, too (I believe there's a book of short stories about thr Doctor's time on Trenzalore - and of course the elderly Matt Smith can return for the hundredth anniversary without any handwaving explanations about his wrinkles).

Does waste a few precious minutes on that leery 'they're both actually naked' theme, mind. Quite a horny Christmas special overall, really. Moffat must've been writing in the summer months.

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Yes I think making a thing about the fact Smith was wearing a wig was unnecessary.  I can see why Moffat would want to do that - letting himself off the hook in case the wig was unconvincing - but it used up precious episode time when it had too much else to do.

Malcy