Are you also frightened?

[Inspector Norse]

Does anyone else find themselves wondering what's inside?

[Twed]

It looks like a delightful crown.

[Sebastian Cobb]

On top of all the horror, just imagine how those boiled-for-11-minutes-in-starchy-water hot dogs taste. I'm pretty sure the edges of the ones in that picture have become FOAM.

Yes because canned/jarred? hotdogs are a delight when boiled normally...

Sometimes when I'm cooking chicken to have with hot sauce and rice I'll throw frozen peas straight into the boiling rice mixture, saves a pan, means I eat some veg.

[St_Eddie]

Does anyone else find themselves wondering what's inside?

A roast chicken perhaps?

Or maybe it's like a meaty Kinder Egg and there's a toy inside.

[NoSleep]

Is this the same man?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chris_Kresser

I found this, also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_hOU_Kl9HM

...where Chris Kresser is either shown to be bare-faced lying or is incapable of reading studies on nutrition.

The Happy Healthy Vegan youtube channel has often challenged the dietary claims found Joe Rogan's show. It seems Rogan has a fixation with misleading people on this subject.

Mic The Vegan talking about the same discussion on Rogan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd4XTuBkCVA

[steve98]

Rogan joshing

[Barry Admin]

I suspect a channel called "Happy Healthy Vegans" may also have a little bit of bias...!

Can you then debunk the claims that organ meats like liver are particularly nutrient dense?

[NoSleep]

I suspect a channel called "Happy Healthy Vegans" may also have a little bit of bias...!

I don't think it's biased to question false information. Perhaps those same studies that Chris Kesser is unable to read properly led them to make their dietary choice.

Can you then debunk the claims that organ meats like liver are particularly nutrient dense?

"Nutrient dense" or otherwise, are there better sources with less long term health risk for these nutrients? Why "nutrient dense" and not "nutritious"? That term ("nutrient dense"), I believe, was coined by the egg industry in the US because the FDA will not permit eggs to be described as "nutritious".

[thugler]

Btw I'm not doing any kind of faddy shit

That kresser guy seems to push the 'paleo diet' which is both faddy and historically inaccurate.

No surprise Rogan has on an endless parade of nuts who confirm his belief that eating shitloads of meat and fat is the best diet.

[NoSleep]

That kresser guy seems to push the 'paleo diet' which is both faddy and prehistorically inaccurate.

FTFY

[Barry Admin]

Burn what's faddy about eating fruit and veg, drinking water, eating liver and organ meats, avoiding diet drinks, avoiding bread, wheat and grains, and having plenty of eggs?

Btw I found out myself years ago that wheat and grains exacerbate some of my health problems.

[KennyMonster]

Would inhale that after ten pints.

Poo writes 'beer goggles' epitaph.

[imitationleather]

I had a phobia of frankfurters for years and years following a nightmare I had as a child where I was trapped in a world entirely made of them. Even the smell of them would strike terror deep into my soul.

[Sebastian Cobb]

what's faddy about eating fruit and veg, drinking water, eating liver and organ meats, avoiding diet drinks, avoiding bread, wheat and grains, and having plenty of eggs?

[tag]Nick Lowe considers rewrite[/tag]

[alan nagsworth]

I'm obsessed with this sort of stuff. There's plenty of pages online that document all manner of terrifying looking meals. This one came up recently on r/shittyfoodporn and honestly it is just beyond ghoulish:



Crab Boiled In Pepsi Max for 2 Hours Served In a Baguette

[Cold Meat Platter]

^ was laughing at that even before I read it had been boiled in Pepsi Max, cheers.

[Bronzy]

No one should call you a dreamer
No one should call you a dreamer
No one should call you a dreamer
No one should call you a dreamer

[wooders1978]

Crab Pepsi in YouTube search will find you the video !

[NoSleep]

Burn what's faddy about eating fruit and veg, drinking water, eating liver and organ meats, avoiding diet drinks, avoiding bread, wheat and grains, and having plenty of eggs?

Lots of unnecessary cholesterol in that liver and eggs. I used to love eggs but haven't felt the temptation to go back to them after following a wholefood plant-based diet for the last year and a half. My doctor commended me on the improvements in my health and particularly pointed to the lowering of my cholesterol to a healthier level. There's no need to consume cholesterol-rich foods like eggs or liver as our bodies are geared to diligently grab and store any cholesterol that comes its way, probably due to an ancestral lack of cholesterol in the environment. Our own livers are pretty good at producing it, too. The problem with modelling a diet on a theoretical paleolithic diet is that the fossil evidence shows they died quite young due to pestilence and other causes, so the the dangers of eating loads of meat into your 40s+ (clogged arteries, intestinal cancer, etc) never manifested; as long as you reproduced and lived until you were 25 it didn't matter how bad your diet was in the long term.
There's evidence (paleolithic fossilised poo) of paleolithic people eating grass seeds, too, so avoiding grain is not even accurate.

[Twed]

Dietary cholesterol is fine.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/dietary-cholesterol-does-not-matter

I feel like this thread is turning into a fad-off.

[Ronalado]

please why you cal it organ meats? already in school RONALADO learn this word first: OFFAL

[NoSleep]

Dietary cholesterol is fine.

What, loads of it? It's hardly necessary.

[Twed]

I don't support the Paleo diet but you also subscribe to a quack. Just continue eating in a way that improves your health markers without needing to think that you've come up with the one formula for a healthy diet. That way you won't have to use outdated concepts like "cloggging up arteries", which with modern science is about as stupid as saying "eating a roast dinner replaces.your blood with Bisto".

[NoSleep]

What quack is this? What formula? Sure, I'm suspicicious of Rogan, Paleo et al.

Are you saying arthesclerosis doesn't clog arteries or is not related to high cholesterol levels? What's the latest update from modern medicine I'm missing out on?

[GMTV]

Eat like a caveman does not really make any sense. We are not cavemen, we have evolved genetically from cavemen. With the ability to cook food our digestive systems shrunk and brains grew rapidly.

The paleo diet is fundamentally flawed.

[GMTV]

Also Joe rogan can be entertaining but doesn't half spout a load of bollocks. He's 51 and appears to be aging quite badly, so I'm not sure how much of his own health and wellbeing preaching he actually practices himself.

[St_Eddie]

I'm just posting this in order to hurry along the thread to a new page, so that I don't have to ever see that photo of a Pepsi Max soaked boiled crab in a baguette ever again.  It's physically making me feel sick and putting me off ever eating again.

[Twed]

What quack is this? What formula? Sure, I'm suspicicious of Rogan, Paleo et al.

Me too.

You definitely went all-in for a questionable vegan quack a while back. "Here's my diet and here's the name attached to it that justifies it all" is never a good thing.

Are you saying arthesclerosis doesn't clog arteries or is not related to high cholesterol levels? What's the latest update from modern medicine I'm missing out on?

No, that is literally what atherosclerosis means. I was talking about dietary cholesterol being a cause of that. The sooner we get over this childish notion that things you eat somehow get deposited into your arteries the better.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/panel-suggests-stop-warning-about-cholesterol-in-food-201502127713

[NoSleep]

Well in my case my blood cholesterol (LDL) has gone down on a plant based diet, so good riddance to eggs and meat.

You definitely went all-in for a questionable vegan quack a while back. "Here's my diet and here's the name attached to it that justifies it all" is never a good thing.

I haven't taken advice from anyone like that. A diet with a name you say? What name? I'm not a vegan, either.

[NoSleep]

Having more fully read that link it's ambivalent in its message about how harmful cholesterol is:

Why is blood cholesterol a concern? Too much of it, especially in the wrong kind of particle, can cause trouble inside blood vessels (see "From cholesterol to crisis" below). Harmful low-density lipoprotein (LDL) particles ferry cholesterol to artery walls. Protective high-density lipoprotein (HDL) particles pull cholesterol out of circulation and deliver it to the liver for destruction.

Doing away with the beware-cholesterol-in-food warning would simplify the art of choosing healthy foods. And it would let people enjoy foods that contain higher amounts of cholesterol, such as eggs, shrimp, and lobster, without worrying about it. A better focus is on reducing saturated fat and trans fat in the diet, which play greater roles in damaging blood vessels than dietary cholesterol.

So cholesterol is bad but not as bad as trans or saturated fats seems to be the message.

Not very up to date info, either (2014). Got any updates on that vague (warning) message?