Films That Used To Be Crap But Aren't Any More

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

I read a very interesting article about how shit that book is. Can't remember where I got the link, might have been on here actually.

https://slate.com/culture/2013/03/bob-woodward-and-gene-sperling-what-woodwards-john-belushi-book-can-tell-us-about-the-sequester-scandal.html

The problem with that book is that it's written by Dan Akyroyd's square Joe Friday character from Dragnet. Woodward has no feel for the milieu - yes 'milieu' - he's writing about.

I don't think Belushi was a genius at all, he was alright, quite funny, but Wired is just a dry compendium of emotionless, ill-informed facts about some fat famous man who died from drugs and that.

I've written this on here before, haven't I? My nine opinions, they're all used up.

[thecuriousorange]

The Star Wars prequels now seem to be well thought of on the internet - and even real life - especially after the recent Disney movies. Amazing, considering how hated they were at the time, but some people just love complaining and "the prequels are better" is a damning insult. But it's not just that, I think people actually like them.

[St_Eddie]

The Star Wars prequels now seem to be well thought of on the internet - and even real life - especially after the recent Disney movies. Amazing, considering how hated they were at the time, but some people just love complaining and "the prequels are better" is a damning insult. But it's not just that, I think people actually like them.

Yeah, it's madness to say that they're somehow suddenly good movies.  They're objectively very badly made movies.  I think the reason that the tide has changed for some is because kids who grew up watching the prequels are now adults and have a nostalgic fondness for them and also, because for many (myself included), whilst the Disney era movies are objectively better made (in terms of dialogue, acting and effects), they're also in a lot of ways even worse than the prequels (for all of the prequels' faults, at least Lucas actually tried to expand the universe and show us things we'd never seen before).

It also doesn't help that the script for The Last Jedi is absolutely appalling.  Sure, the dialogue is better than the prequels but the plot is so riddled with holes and bizarre creative choices (to a degree that even the prequels weren't) that it beggars belief.  It's the movie which finally killed off my last remaining interest in the series.  So, from that perspective, I can see how some people will say that they prefer the prequels over Disney's era (that's kind of choosing the lesser of two evils, mind).

Whatever the reason for this change in perception in regard to the prequels, it's nuts.  People can subjectively enjoy the prequels all they want, that's a-okay and 100% valid but they're not good movies by an objective standard and to say otherwise is at best clueless and at worst, downright disingenuous.  I don't think that's it's ridiculous to say that they're "better" than Disney's soulless corporate shite though.

[zomgmouse]

The problem with that book is that it's written by Dan Akyroyd's square Joe Friday character from Dragnet. Woodward has no feel for the milieu - yes 'milieu' - he's writing about.

I don't think Belushi was a genius at all, he was alright, quite funny, but Wired is just a dry compendium of emotionless, ill-informed facts about some fat famous man who died from drugs and that.

I've written this on here before, haven't I? My nine opinions, they're all used up.

Oh I dunno, as a compendium it was pretty thorough and to me that made it interesting.

[phantom_power]

The Star Wars prequels now seem to be well thought of on the internet - and even real life - especially after the recent Disney movies. Amazing, considering how hated they were at the time, but some people just love complaining and "the prequels are better" is a damning insult. But it's not just that, I think people actually like them.

As far as I can see the only people praising the sequels are doing so in order to criticise the sequels. No-one without an axe to grind has moved their position much.

[A Hat Like That]

Speaking of Stallone, I recently watched the much maligned Rambo III and it's a pretty solid, entertaining action film. Yes, the politics are dodgy as all fuck, but it's a Rambo sequel so that's to be expected. If anything, it's slightly less offensive than the truly horrible AMERICA FUCK YEAH First Blood Part II and the pornograpically violent Rambo IV/John Rambo/Rambo.

And no, it doesn't actually end with a dedication to "the brave Mujahideen fighters". The dedication always read "to the gallant people of Afghanistan." Not that that makes it a better film, of course, but it's worth pointing out.

I like Rambo IV. The ending is almost poetic in its sheer, unrelenting violence.

[Gulftastic]

I like Rambo IV. The ending is almost poetic in its sheer, unrelenting violence.

How accurate is Andy Dwyer's description?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N2jRPRyKWg&t=75s

[thecuriousorange]

Ghostbusters 2

[Piggyoioi]

I know I just talk about action movies in this thread, and i'm basically just treating this as an underrated movie thread because I liked it the first time I saw it (though waiting untill I could pirate it because reviews we're so damning), , The Bourne Legacy.

Looks even better after the cluster fuck Damon and Greengrass made afterwards, a dence piece of shit I havent been able to digest even though attempting to twice.

Tony Gilroy is the Bourne franchise, and it went to shit the moment he left.