Corbyn 24: OUR party, people!

[pancreas]

BTW this episode has at least been good at reminding us that black women are the most politically reliable intersectional group at the moment.

[NoSleep]

In that case, why not stand side-by-side with Corbyn and make an appeal for the likes of Soubry and Swinson to fucking grow up.

So the opposite of a broad alliance? It does seem a poor constructed idea considering who was last in charge of Brexit.

[holyzombiejesus]

The only chance she'll ever get for proper green policies to be introduced is through a Corbyn government so you'd think she'd be fighting tooth and nail for him rather than cosying up to pro-fracking Swinson.

[NoSleep]

It's all about appearances. Hence all the standoffs about coalitions and alliances in what looks like a buildup to an election. Coalitions are all decided after elections.

[ZoyzaSorris]

Well if you're talking about a broad alliance, pointedly excluding the leader of a party with many times the MPs of the others put together despite him being the biggest hope for a greener future seems a bit rum.

[NoSleep]

It's for a less Brexity future, I thought. Just a single battle (however important) in the war.

[Replies From View]

Heh, you still get my point. It's a crap idea for all the reasons discussed above, but that shouldn't be enough to completely disregard Lucas after her long political history.

It's not that long when you consider for example the history of this entire planet.

[jonnycuba]

Lucas has been sipping the #FBPE Kool aid for ages, how far back in history do we need to go to see her going a funny tinge of green around the gills?

[Zetetic]

Coalitions are all decided after elections.

Electoral pacts on the other hand (which are probably more important for the minor parties).

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Lucas has been sipping the #FBPE Kool aid for ages, how far back in history do we need to go to see her going a funny tinge of green around the gills?

Green all over, she'd hope.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Lol, nailed it.

[Zetetic]

Edit: Ignore this and me.

[BlodwynPig]

Edit: Ignore this and me.

I know what you wrote this summer

[pancreas]

He said he maintains a shrine to Caroline Lucas and he won't hear a word said against her.

DIDN'T HE

[Zetetic]

I know what you wrote this summer

Were milk monitors a British thing? Did you have them in the bad good old days?

[Zetetic]

My position on Caroline Lucas is that her women's-only ohhh-a-bit-centrist/hateful/Tory-isn't-it cabinet clickbait nonsense was a nice bit of light relief as junk news goes these days, given what we usually get.

[BlodwynPig]

Were milk monitors a British thing? Did you have them in the bad good old days?

Yes WE had them

[Blumf]

Were milk monitors a British thing? Did you have them in the bad good old days?

Many moons ago.

[Johnny Yesno]

But what you are implying here is that Lucas is?!  She isn't endorsing Soubrys politics and she isn't and hasn't said she is standing 'shoulder to shoulder' with their sort.

I'm afraid that 'reaching out' to a tory economic murderer and one of her enablers looks exactly like endorsement. If that's not what she intends, then she needs to back away before the stain gets on her.

My shoulder-to-shoulder comment was referring to how Miliband and Cameron were seen by the Scots over indyref. Neither of them said that was what they were doing but that doesn't matter when it's the tories, who are quite rightly viewed as absolute poison.

You are mixing Lucas's appeal to head a temporary GNU to stop brexit with her chomping at the bit to work "in the rose garden" with Soubry et al.  For me it is dangerously too close to the daily fight against people smearing Corbyn by association or adding things that he never said.

I just think she's making a huge mistake. There are certain people in politics who are so heartless that it's just not worth associating with them.

PS - absolutely respect your opinion though and i'm not for 1 second suggesting being enraged by these things isn't expected or understandable.  This is a tactical criticism more than anything else.

I understand. However, I believe that nothing short of the complete electoral sinking of the tory party will put the spectre of austerity behind us, and throwing them lifelines like this will only prolong the pain.

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Were milk monitors a British thing? Did you have them in the bad good old days?

Where else would you get milk monitors in this whole world?

[jamiefairlie]

Many moons ago.

yep, thieving bitch stole my milk when she was education sec in Heaths gov, personally ripped it out of my little hands so she did (well that was my lived experience and my feelz so it's real, yeah, mmmmk).

The milk was fucking rancid mind, always warm and in strange little triangular/pyramidal packs that you poked a little straw into (non-recyclable too, I personally literally raped the planet back in the 70s - crossover boomer/gen x scum that we are). I didn't miss it personally but still I suspect it was kind of key nutrition for poorer kids and an early Thatch assault against decency.

[Zetetic]

Where else would you get milk monitors in this whole world?

The word "monitor" made me think of the United States, while the concept made brought me to the DDR.

I'm undone, I'm not pretending otherwise.

[Johnny Yesno]

We had a milk monitor lizard at my school before Thatcher snatched it.

[jamiefairlie]

I just think she's making a huge mistake. There are certain people in politics who are so heartless that it's just not worth associating with them.

I understand. However, I believe that nothing short of the complete electoral sinking of the tory party will put the spectre of austerity behind us, and throwing them lifelines like this will only prolong the pain.

Totally agree, never ever work with Tories. They always find a way to get what they want and to screw over their partners.

All non-Tories should be working for one thing only, toppling them from power. Won't happen though as, when it comes down to it, too many opposition activists prioritize their own issues over actually getting rid of the Tories. Constant bickering over what should happen when they get power ironically is the very thing that stops them gaining that power.

[greencalx]

My shoulder-to-shoulder comment was referring to how Miliband and Cameron were seen by the Scots over indyref. opportunistic fuckwits who pretend not to understand that if you have three parties and a binary position, at least two of them will necessarily adopt the same position without otherwise having anything else in common.

[jamiefairlie]

My shoulder-to-shoulder comment was referring to how Miliband and Cameron were seen by the Scots over indyref. opportunistic fuckwits who pretend not to understand that if you have three parties and a binary position, at least two of them will necessarily adopt the same position without otherwise having anything else in common.

Worked spiffingly for Labour though didn't it, but never mind reality let's blame the electorate for being too stupid, that always plays so well.

[greencalx]

Never mentioned  stupidity. Disingenuity in fact requires a degree of intelligence, wouldn't you say?

[jamiefairlie]

Never mentioned  stupidity. Disingenuity in fact requires a degree of intelligence, wouldn't you say?

Yes but you are assuming a large percentage of voters who switched away from Labour were somehow sneakily duped into it. An alternative explanation is that the Better Together campaign simply confirmed what many Labour voters already suspected, that Scottish Labour and Lib Dems were already closer to the Tories than they were socialist and when they saw them together, to quote Orwell, "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

[Johnny Yesno]

My shoulder-to-shoulder comment was referring to how Miliband and Cameron were seen by the Scots over indyref. opportunistic fuckwits who pretend not to understand that if you have three parties and a binary position, at least two of them will necessarily adopt the same position without otherwise having anything else in common.

Nah. I've said it many times before but during the brexit campaign, Corbyn was wise enough to point out that his vision of the UK's future in the EU was entirely at odds with the vision of those cunts in the tory party (I'm paraphrasing here), and he refused to share a platform with Cameron. It was yet another thing he was pilloried for, which turned out to be the right decision in the end.

I thought Lucas would have learned that lesson having seen it played out.

[jamiefairlie]

Nah. I've said it many times before but during the brexit campaign, Corbyn was wise enough to point out that his vision of the UK's future in the EU was entirely at odds with the vision of those cunts in the tory party (I'm paraphrasing here), and he refused to share a platform with Cameron. It was yet another thing he was pilloried for, which turned out to be the right decision in the end.

I thought Lucas would have learned that lesson having seen it played out.

Agreed, it was a smart move from Corbyn.