Corbyn 24: OUR party, people!

[kalowski]

Can somebody copy what's been said by Lucas/Surgeon on here, please?

https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1161972381130350593?s=09

[Fambo Number Mive]

Man who owes his career in politics to the Labour Party (Umunna) says:

If we are wrong on our analysis about Corbyn's capacity to attract Tory rebels, Labour people carping about all of this need to name at least one Tory rebel who has categorically said they will vote for a temporary Corbyn premiership. The truth is there are none.

"Carping".

Do Clarke or Harman command the confidence of both sides of the house? Don't most Tory MPs hate Clarke? And quite a few Tory MPs don't like Harman.

Swinson also voted against Ken Clarke's custom union amendment.

[NoSleep]

How hard can it be for people to unite against a blatant cunt like Johnson?

[Replies From View]

Shouldn't people who hate Corbyn see this as an opportunity to "use him up" on Brexit so they can replace him with someone untainted once it's over?  What are they afraid of?

[Cuellar]

Corbyn will destroy this country, the economy will collapse, the IRA will take over London and er...dogs will be outlawed

[idunnosomename]

How hard can it be for people to unite against a blatant cunt like Johnson?

for blatant cunts like Umunna and Swinson its insurmountable

[kalowski]

Man who owes his career in politics to the Labour Party (Umunna) says:

"Carping".

Do Clarke or Harman command the confidence of both sides of the house? Don't most Tory MPs hate Clarke? And quite a few Tory MPs don't like Harman.

Swinson also voted against Ken Clarke's custom union amendment.

Harman supports the Corbyn led unity government.

[Suki Bapswent]

Lucas needs to get her shit together. This isn't some game she's playing, and while I was willing to overlook some pointless gesture politics earlier this week, her current position on this offer will have real consequences. If she doesn't back it after some more silly posturing, she really does deserve to lose the support of the left.

She is backing it, though.

[NoSleep]

Shouldn't people who hate Corbyn see this as an opportunity to "use him up" on Brexit so they can replace him with someone untainted once it's over?  What are they afraid of?

They know full well it won't use him up.

[NoSleep]

for blatant cunts like Umunna and Swinson its insurmountable

They are smarmy cunts, not blatant ones; too cowardly (even to stand down for a by-election).

[NoSleep]

Any naysayers are going to be severely pointed at if they let Johnson get his way. It could all be decided on a small number preferring no deal over supporting Corbyn.

[honeychile]

If this were to somehow come off and Corbyn were to oversee a temporary government... it'd be a massive step on the way to winning a subsequent election. One of Corbyn's biggest problems has been his personal ratings in "who do you think is more prime ministerial" polling in which he has almost always been behind against Cameron/May. It's often pointed out by pollsters that it's very easy for the sitting prime minister to lead this question, by virtue of the fact that... they are an actual real prime minister, so of course people can imagine that person being prime minister. All it takes for that to change in Corbyn's favour is for him to be prime minister for a few weeks. A few weeks of people seeing him going in and out of Downing Street, being addressed by the press as prime minister, and by just agreeing an extension and then calling an election he'd also appear above party-politicking, all that "national interest" crap that politicians and the media love to bang on about.

And for this reason, as with others, don't bet on any member of the Tories or Lib Dems, however pro-EU, to be more afraid of that than of no deal.

[pancreas]

Having said that, they might imagine a not-to-distant future in which we have a socialist PM and they might rather want that person constrained by the EU.

[NoSleep]

^^ That said, the same press that have been virtually silent about the Tories two (now one) fingers on power, would be broadcasting "hung parliament" & "dymocricy" hourly if it were Corbyn at the helm.

[Paul Calf]

This will make it very difficult for the Lib Cons to carry on blaming Corbyn for no deal though.

[Replies From View]

^^ That said, the same press that have been virtually silent about the Tories two (now one) fingers on power, would be broadcasting "hung parliament" & "dymocricy" hourly if it were Corbyn at the helm.

He can keep pointing that out to them if he wants.  The "coalition of chaos" and "magic money tree" key attacks are monumentally weakened and he can be prepared to answer them.

[honeychile]

First Tory to fall into line with the Corbyn plan is Guto Bebb.

The longer Swinson lies there shitting the bed, the quicker all those polling gains the Lib Dems have made at Labour's expense will evaporate.

[holyzombiejesus]

The longer Swinson lies there shitting the bed, the quicker all those polling gains the Lib Dems have made at Labour's expense will evaporate.

Yep, especially as any voters they've theoretically taken from Labour aren't going to be lured back again by their non-existent policies.

[honeychile]

Can i just check something about this plan? Strategically it seems excellent for a lot of reasons, but i'm just thinking through the sequence of events. Once Article 50 has been extended again, is there anything stopping the rebel tories form going back to supporting a new Tory plan? I mean apart from honour (bearing in mind this is tories we're talking about).

[TrenterPercenter]

Well they would have to be elected again for a start.

[pancreas]

Can they call another VoNC to try to form say a coalition with the LDs I think is the question.

I don't know.

[TrenterPercenter]

Sorry it doesn't make any sense.

Call another VONC and vote with the ERG to form a 2nd national unity government for what?

Labour will call a GE after A50 is extended.

[Replies From View]

What would be really handy is an explanation of all this stuff that for example a five year old could understand.


Because then I'd have a slim chance of understanding it too.


VoNC = vote of no confidence, got that

I've forgotten what ERG means beyond being a noise in the Beano.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Got to say I am loving this move from Corbyn smoking out the neolib parasites from their smug shit flinging smokeholes.

Keep turning the screw, at some point they need to stop equivocation over whether they would prefer Corbyn and no Brexit or Brexit and no Corbyn. They will soon be forced to actually pick a side.

From a Labour point of view this is power projection which we need to be doing more frequently.

[Pseudopath]

I've forgotten what ERG means beyond being a noise in the Beano.

European Research Group. It's basically a bunch of hardcore Eurosceptic Tories chaired by Jacob Rees-Mogg, Mark "Small Cock" Francois and the like.

[king_tubby]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1162046321483747329

NEW: numbers looking even trickier, never mind for putting Corbyn in but for a motion of confidence itself. Chris Leslie tells me the five Change MPs might not vote against the govt in September.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1162046321483747329

This is all good really. The more they do this, the more obvious it is they aren't really interested in stopping Brexit first.

[Paul Calf]

Change UK: a pro-Remain group so desperate to change everything that they won't vote against a no-deal-supporting conservative government. Utterly, utterly shit cunts.

[king_tubby]

They're shit scared of a GE because they'll get destroyed, they know this, we know this, the electorate know this, so as long as they're ok on their 80k a year the rest of us can suck up No Deal.

Cunts.

[TrenterPercenter]

What would be really handy is an explanation of all this stuff that for example a five year old could understand.


Because then I'd have a slim chance of understanding it too.


VoNC = vote of no confidence, got that

I've forgotten what ERG means beyond being a noise in the Beano.

ERG = European Research Group i.e. Rees-Mogg/Mark Francois et al

Conservatives & DUP (in a confidence and supply agreement i.e. minority government aided by a smaller party)

Tories 311 (140 that will vote whatever just with the government, 100ish leave at all costs with a hard border, 50 leave with a deal, 6 possible 7 that are remain/rebels, and another 20 odd that are undecided)

DUP 10 MPs (want a Brexit but no hard border)

Labour and others

Labour 247 MPs (10 want a brexit probably 4 or 2 that wouldn't for VoNC, 20ish that want Norway 2, rest Remain)

SNP 35 MPs (all 2nd referendum and remain)

Lib Dems 14 (all officially 2nd referendum but oscillating between that and remain)

Independents 15 (all referendum and remain)

TiG 5 MPs (all referendum and remain)

Plaid 4 MPs (referendum and remain)

Greens 1 MP (referendum and remain)

You need 312 to win a VONC

Labour on paper have enough votes to do that as long as Lib Dems and TiG back Corbyn.

Lib Dems voting again for a coalition would mean taking on 101 leavers in a voting block (or at least some).

Not going to happen.