Corbyn 24: OUR party, people!

[Johnny Yesno]

The anti-brexit Graun, there.

[greencalx]

I've got to the point with the Guardian where Trenter is with JOB that I mostly read it to work out the position that my colleagues will be arguing from in lunchtime discussions.

Not entirely successfully I would add, but I suspect they are somewhat less enthused by social democracy than I am.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Simon Jenkins does not = The Guardian

He has quite a different view to the 40 something centrist bloc of Remainer London bubble writers.

And he has been wrong on nearly every single aspect of it so far.

[Johnny Yesno]

I've got to the point with the Guardian where Trenter is with JOB that I mostly read it to work out the position that my colleagues will be arguing from in lunchtime discussions.

Not entirely successfully I would add, but I suspect they are somewhat less enthused by social democracy than I am.

Yeah. I think I'm the same. Call me naive, but I'm still surprised by how it go on and on relentlessly about how Corbyn isn't doing enough to avert brexit then print something like that.

[idunnosomename]

_{Theresa May's sensible withdrawal agreement}

Theresa May's sensible withdrawal agreement

THERESA MAY'S SENSIBLE WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT

THERESA MAY'S SENSIBLE WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT

simon jenkins is a fucking automaton privileged cunt with just about nothing of worth to say on anything

he has no right to exist

[pigamus]

It's difficult, because if I was recording someone

If I were recording someone.

[BlodwynPig]

If I were recording someone.

Boom, you got him bang too rites!

[Zetetic]

If I were recording someone.

You don't know that I'm not actually describing a factual situation.

(You can be fairly sure that I didn't do it to the BNC since they stopped compiling it before I reached primary school.)

(Besides which the past subjunctive is hardly compulsory.)

[Zetetic]

For the sake of clarity: I'm not a prescriptivist and the reason why there are no uses of 'agenda' as a plural noun in the BNC is that people don't use it as a plural noun*.

I responded, rather excessively, to greencalx as I did because I think was a little bit funny and a little bit much to combine the usual characterisation of the #FBPE as mob as ignorant pseuds (or thereabouts) with a footnote-hypercorrection of the use of a Latinate term.

In the interests of self-criticism: This is probably because I'm overly defensive of that lot because, while they're utterly politically unreliable at best and make some horrible songs and cartoons, they're not likely to try to murder my loved ones other than in a fairly roundabout and unintentional fashion and so I see them more as possible allies of convenience rather than my worst enemy.

(Yes, all these sentences are catastrophes.)

^{* I bet there is one. I couldn't find it.}

[pigamus]

You don't know that I'm not actually describing a factual situation.

You don't know me! You don't know me! You don't know NUFFINK ABOUT ME!

[Johnny Yesno]

In the interests of self-criticism: This is probably because I'm overly defensive of that lot because, while they're utterly politically unreliable at best and make some horrible songs and cartoons, they're not likely to try to murder my loved ones other than in a fairly roundabout and unintentional fashion and so I see them more as possible allies of convenience rather than my worst enemy.

Being murderous in a fairly roundabout and unintentional fashion is quite an annoying trait in an ally. I can see why it would get a person's dander up.

[BlodwynPig]

Wots all this high fluting talk abut, boy?

[TrenterPercenter]

It is important to remember that your JOBs, Guardian columnists and FBPE# types, like the Brexit folk, Tommo sympathisers and Peterson bunny boilers, are all within your margin of error for human behaviour.

They all share one trait which is vastly over-estimating their world-view as the only meaningful solution to things.  There are degrees of commitment to this; if your salary depends on it then of course you are going to consciously and subconsciously form a kind of mental dependency on your world view.  For "followers" like Brexit folk, Tommy's army and FBPE# types this mental dependency turns to purpose and emancipation.

Of course "left-wingers" also display these qualities, how you get to a dependency on a world view (even ones that are ultimately don't exist and promote harmful behaviours in their pursuit) for many people is a sense of desperation and oppression; this of course applies just the same with a large amount of Brexit supporters vulnerable to neocon policies as it does with a plethora of oppressed groups - why people flirting with the belief that white people being out competed in their markets at home cannot see similarities with the multitude of diasporas that have occurred and are occurring for non-white folk is largely due to them not having a socio-historical methodology for understanding how the world got to were it is today.

That is why socialism is important, not because it ushers in some utopian world or even that it should be but enforced full fat, but because to remove the historical account of oppression in the world renders brains dependent and reactionary to the narratives told to them (of course this is the purpose and basis of all propaganda - to tell stories that promote the concession of control).  Of course when someone comes along and tells you despite all the evidence and memories that you have of something "it" didn't happen then your grip on reality is loosened and reduced.  In the absence of previous rational explanations for the world brains desperately seek new patterns with all the colours of crazy that accompany the formation of new world views.

[Absorb the anus burn]

^^^

Great post. Ta.

[idunnosomename]

Swinson having one of those "normal ones" I've heard so much about.
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1163747128457539584?s=19

[NoSleep]

She gets schooled pretty thoroughly.

[BlodwynPig]

She's not fit to be in politics. She should be sacked.

[holyzombiejesus]

She's getting a right slating in the comments. Stupid fucking shithead.

[Neville Chamberlain]

She is daft beyond all measure.

[pigamus]

If No Deal does happen, and there really are insulin shortages, it's possible I could end up hospitalised or dead because of Jo Swinson. What a lovely cheery thought!

[idunnosomename]

she's like a politician version of this sort of blue-tick cunt:

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1163571558142685185

how many times has Jeremy publicly stated in the past month that Labour would have a second referendum and he would campaign for remain? Is Schneider being willfully ignorant? Like, really, does he just outright lie?

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Such a pathetic cunt isn't he?

It is now on conspiracy theory levels among Remainers isn't it? The terrifying shady conspiracy of a man who campaigned for Remain, lost, then abided by the result of the referendum and the Labour Party conference until circumstances changed allowing Labour to as a whole take a more pro Remain stance, to the extent of adopting the identical policy the Lib Dems had last autumn.

It's a fucking conspiracy guys. Corbyn right, it's a fucking conspiracy that he wants a People's Vote with the option to Remain.

[Paul Calf]

If the Lib Dems had an ounce of political sense they'd exploit their position as Brexit policy trailblazers, big up Labour (whose potential is currently huge but polluted) and form the backbone of a remain alliance with Corbyn. Unfortunately, this would require them to have a backbone.

[Blumf]

Why doesn't the doddery old fool who's incapable of leadership seize control of the country and stop Brexit like the big Stalinist dictator he is!?

© Every fucking #FBPE cunt ever

[solidified gruel merchant]

Such a pathetic cunt isn't he?

It is now on conspiracy theory levels among Remainers isn't it?

"Dr Robert 'Rob' Zands PhD Esq.
@DrRobertZands
Replying to
@davidschneider
I've heard there is significant evidence that Corbyn, in fact, voted for Brexit. As I understand it, somebody had tapped his voting booth with a tiny camera and sold the footage to the Sun. Corbyn, however, managed to get a super injunction in place just before it went public."

[BlodwynPig]

If No Deal does happen, and there really are insulin shortages, it's possible I could end up hospitalised or dead because of Jo Swinson. What a lovely cheery thought!

I'll send you some of my stash.

[jobotic]

If the Lib Dems had an ounce of political sense they'd exploit their position as Brexit policy trailblazers, big up Labour (whose potential is currently huge but polluted) and form the backbone of a remain alliance with Corbyn. Unfortunately, this would require them to have a backbone.

With the absolute cuntery that is going on today if the Lib Dems don't get behind Corbyn they will be as to blame for no deal as Johnson.

[idunnosomename]

what's it all about. is it just because they've spent so long defining their public selves in hating Corbyn, that they can't admit that now he might be alright? or do they just worry about the tax he'll make them oh ok.

[pancreas]

He'd be PM *for a month*. No matter how deep the vested interests go, this is sheer madness.

[thugler]

He'd be PM *for a month*. No matter how deep the vested interests go, this is sheer madness.

And have no ability to do anything other than specifically prevent no deal. It's an insane thing to complain about if that is really your priority.