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Corbyn 24: OUR party, people!

Started by Johnny Yesno, July 02, 2019, 10:47:02 PM

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Johnny Yesno

Quote from: thugler on October 12, 2019, 08:19:08 PM
I'd already read that. I don't have doubts really, i just think it's better resolved before the election if that becomes a possibility.

I don't think the text is the complete interview. I watched the video and it's longer than that.

No matter, it looks like the relevant bit is there. McDonnell isn't bothered which comes first - Labour will adapt to the situation. This is a good approach. They're not in power, remember.

idunnosomename

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1183002002969763840?s=19

Id shit all over my membership card if are jess was leader. But so would the democratic membership of the party she holds as fannying about

Lol Mensch

Buelligan

I'd rather she spent more time dancing with her friends if I'm honest.

pigamus

Come on Buellers, you know we need a well-loved, uncontroversial unity figure to take us forward.

Buelligan

That's why I'd back Laura when the time comes.  The time hasn't come.

pigamus

Ah, that might have been unclear, I was actually trying to be sarcastic about people touting Jess Phillips.

Blumf

Quote from: pigamus on October 12, 2019, 11:26:32 PM
people touting Jess Phillips.

Sexists! She's perfectly capable of doing that herself.

ohno

Quote from: Buelligan on September 27, 2019, 04:31:56 PM
Except for the fact that the electorate is always changing.  People reach voting age, they die, the move to and away from the area.  If people vote for what they really believe who can tell how that might change things.  How many people who might otherwise not bother voting might vote if they thought there was a chance of making a difference. 

People need to vote for what they believe in.

Your Socialism is just fine, until you get the bill, Ginger.

:Edit > 10 euros says you're Neil the Irish scrounger's biggest moaner and you don't even pay him nothing for your moans. 

Buelligan

How much to you pay Neil then?  You should be ashamed of yourself, you tedious prick.  He's worth a million of you.  I was only thinking yesterday of how much laughter, interest, information, fun and friendship Neil's creation and work, this site, has given to my life (and many others, I'm sure).  What do you do for other people, apart from providing them with someone to feel good about not being?

Quote from: pigamus on October 12, 2019, 11:26:32 PM
Ah, that might have been unclear, I was actually trying to be sarcastic about people touting Jess Phillips.

No, no, you're alright, I saw your sarcasm for what it was.  Excellent sarcasm and there's plenty to judge it against when we're speaking of the Peoples' Friend, Jess Phillips.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: ohno on October 13, 2019, 02:34:52 AM
Your Socialism is just fine, until you get the bill, Ginger.

:Edit > 10 euros says you're Neil the Irish scrounger's biggest moaner and you don't even pay him nothing for your moans.

You are still in the DMT dreamworld, friend

bgmnts

Neil the irish scrounger? What a fucking cunt gomp.

thugler

So this story on Corbyn preferring an election to having a referendum first, if true. Isn't that too risky? This is exactly what i was referring to. Any route to a referendum is the priority isn't it? If anything that would be easier to win

Dr Rock

Quote from: thugler on October 13, 2019, 11:15:17 AM
So this story on Corbyn preferring an election to having a referendum first, if true. Isn't that too risky? This is exactly what i was referring to. Any route to a referendum is the priority isn't it? If anything that would be easier to win

Check what I just posted in the Brexit Thread.

olliebean

I don't think Jess Phillips has enough support to be elected leader, tbh. It's just the support she does have is very vocal about it.

idunnosomename

Quote from: idunnosomename on October 07, 2019, 03:06:57 PM
i found a worse take than paulie

https://twitter.com/francesweetman/status/1180856615261618179

finally some good news



I think it was down to this incredible self-own re the "Nuremberg" tweet quoted above




oh wait it was this ahahahahaha that's appalling


holyzombiejesus

I don't understand why the last one is such a fuck-up.

holyzombiejesus

What's the furore about John McDonnell and why's everyone angry with Starmer? Seen left-wing twitter accounts stating that McDonnell is now leader and slating him for saying he and Corbyn should resign if they don't win the next election, and that Starmer's shitting in the swimming pool by saying referendum before election. Surely the latter would be best for a party who actually have policies they want to bring to the public's attention rather than having them drowned out by 'Let's get Brexit done'? I get that it only gives remainers a poor tory deal to vote for and there'd be a risk of that 'winning' but there comes a point where you have to place your bets?

thugler

Genuinely don't understand the election before referendum thing. It relies on winning it.

TrenterPercenter

Maajid Nawaz on LBC now doing his best to get Corbyn assassinated by English Nats.

Disgusting surely this can be contested someway.

honeychile

Quote from: holyzombiejesus on October 13, 2019, 01:37:16 PM
I don't understand why the last one is such a fuck-up.

Talking about "the other one" is a pretty othering way to describe two black women.

It's doubly stupid because a "genuine anti-racist" like her could easily have closed down the criticism by just saying to the critics, "thanks for pointing this out - sorry, i didn't realise how people might take that and i should have challenged the initial remark". But in the world of the superficially woke, saying or doing something racist is about casting people as heroes or sinners, and since anti-racists can't do racist things and she's an anti-racist, it must not be racist and the critics just don't understand. Hence flounce. So fucking childish.

Quote from: holyzombiejesus on October 13, 2019, 01:40:52 PM
What's the furore about John McDonnell and why's everyone angry with Starmer? Seen left-wing twitter accounts stating that McDonnell is now leader and slating him for saying he and Corbyn should resign if they don't win the next election, and that Starmer's shitting in the swimming pool by saying referendum before election. Surely the latter would be best for a party who actually have policies they want to bring to the public's attention rather than having them drowned out by 'Let's get Brexit done'? I get that it only gives remainers a poor tory deal to vote for and there'd be a risk of that 'winning' but there comes a point where you have to place your bets?

Regarding McDonnell, it was just not the smartest answer even if it was the correct one. The predictable consequence is we now have a BBC front-page talking about what Labour's plans are for when they lose the next election. Just a tactical misstep which he could easily have been avoided in the initial interview with Campbell by saying "i haven't even considered us losing the next election, i think we'll win, our whole team is constantly working on that assumption, all of our energies are going into preparing for government and it'd be negligent if we spent time navel-gazing over every other hypothetical".

When you're behind in the polls and an election is coming, don't start talking about what'll happen if you lose because it sounds like you accept it's going to happen.

holyzombiejesus

Quote from: honeychile on October 13, 2019, 02:29:56 PM
Talking about "the other one" is a pretty othering way to describe two black women.


I'd forgotten that they were both black.

Quote from: honeychile on October 13, 2019, 02:29:56 PM
Regarding McDonnell, it was just not the smartest answer even if it was the correct one. The predictable consequence is we now have a BBC front-page talking about what Labour's plans are for when they lose the next election. Just a tactical misstep which he could easily have been avoided in the initial interview with Campbell by saying "i haven't even considered us losing the next election, i think we'll win, our whole team is constantly working on that assumption, all of our energies are going into preparing for government and it'd be negligent if we spent time navel-gazing over every other hypothetical".

When you're behind in the polls and an election is coming, don't start talking about what'll happen if you lose because it sounds like you accept it's going to happen.

It's hardly the most heinous of crimes though. I think McDonnell is becoming a fucking hero and it seems odd for so many to be slapping him down for something so trivial. Then you've got the generally pro-Corbyn Tory Fibs retweeting a Times report and stating "This  article is correct. John McDonnell is now the leader of the U.K. Labour Party".

Dr Rock

QuoteThe predictable consequence is we now have a BBC front-page talking about what Labour's plans are for when they lose the next election. Just a tactical misstep which he could easily have been avoided in the initial interview with Campbell by saying "i haven't even considered us losing the next election, i think we'll win, our whole team is constantly working on that assumption, all of our energies are going into preparing for government and it'd be negligent if we spent time navel-gazing over every other hypothetical".

The Tories are always getting away with saying they won't discuss hypotheticals. Yet Corbyn had to answer whether he'd ever press the nuclear button.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: idunnosomename on October 13, 2019, 12:47:13 PM
finally some good news



I think it was down to this incredible self-own re the "Nuremberg" tweet quoted above




oh wait it was this ahahahahaha that's appalling





and

https://twitter.com/francesweetman/status/1180883594752999427

Quote from: Frances WeetmanThe Nuremberg trials were held there to commemorate the Nazi Nuremberg rallies that happened there in the immediate years prior

Johnny Yesno

PANIC OVER EVERYONE

https://twitter.com/francesweetman/status/1183373869941481472

Quote from: Frances WeetmanI'm back. Why? Because I will not give trolls the satisfaction. I will not be bullied off twitter.

Praise be!

idunnosomename

i suppose it was too much to ask to think she had enough self-awareness to know when she's so completely and utterly done

sorry for bringing her back to everyone's attention. back to the CORBS

olliebean

Not sure if there's anything to this or if it's just the media as usual trying to hammer wedges into any cracks they think they see:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/john-mcdonnell-is-labour-leader-in-all-but-name-after-silent-coup-pcs89mmd7

(Best to stop reading before the final sentence.)

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: olliebean on October 13, 2019, 03:41:28 PM
(Best to stop reading before the final sentence.)

I'm not registered so that's a given

olliebean

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on October 13, 2019, 03:51:37 PM
I'm not registered so that's a given

Full text of the article:

QuoteJohn McDonnell is Labour 'leader in all but name after silent coup'

Shadow chancellor is said to have assumed control of the party, amid claims that Jeremy Corbyn is preparing to step down
Caroline Wheeler, Deputy Political Editor

October 13 2019, 12:01am, The Sunday Times


John McDonnell has been accused of leading a "silent coup" against Jeremy Corbyn amid claims that he has replaced the Labour leader in all but name.

The shadow chancellor has put himself in daily charge of the Labour operation as the party moves to an election footing. Insiders claim he has also launched his own policy platform and drawn up a list of appointments he wants in the leader of the opposition's office, known as LOTO, to surround Corbyn with his allies.

"McDonnell is now basically the leader of the Labour Party," said one insider. "It's a silent coup. He's getting his own people in, isolating and picking off the old guard around Corbyn."

The power grab has emerged before MPs vote on a second referendum during a "super Saturday" sitting of parliament.

McDonnell is seen as being far more sympathetic to demands for a second referendum than Corbyn, who is the subject of growing speculation that he is preparing to stand down, with loyalists claiming he is "ready to pack it all in" and is struggling under the "incredible pressure".

The alleged takeover comes three weeks after Labour's annual conference was overshadowed by a failed attempt to abolish Tom Watson's post of deputy leader and the resignation of Andrew Fisher, one of Corbyn's most senior aides.

Both triggered a backlash against Corbyn's team, including his chief of staff Karie Murphy, whose aggressive style was blamed by some for both incidents.

McDonnell, who has denied any role in Murphy's departure, made it clear he was not prepared to lose Fisher, a key ally, telling colleagues that he intended to "sort it" and persuade him to stay.

Last week Murphy was removed from the leader's office and seconded to party headquarters to work on the election campaign. She was accompanied by Amy Jackson, Corbyn's political director, and Joe Bradley, the official responsible for trade union and national executive committee links.

She was informed of the move by Lord Kerslake, a former head of the civil service who has known McDonnell for decades and has been advising the party.

Before the conference McDonnell and Diane Abbott, the shadow home secretary, had been pressing Corbyn to move Murphy, citing unhappiness among the 30-plus staff in the leader's office and concern that she was acting as a brake on Labour's shift towards supporting a second referendum. Until last week Corbyn had refused to budge.

"Conference was the last straw," said a party insider. "Corbyn was dismayed by Fisher's resignation and furious over the bungled Watson assassination and the fact he had to get his hands dirty after being forced to intervene."

Although Murphy is the first to be ousted from LOTO, both Seumas Milne, Corbyn's director of communications and strategy, and James Schneider, the head of strategic communications, are coming under pressure.

"The people most desperate to save Karie were Milne and Schneider," said a source. "Presumably they are feeling very vulnerable. It's no secret that McDonnell can't stand any of them.

"They and Karie were the primary targets of Fisher's resignation memo. One of the things Fisher was most pissed off about was Schneider trying to set policy. It was completely out of his remit and yet Milne never reined him in."

Murphy has been replaced by Helene Reardon-Bond, a former head of the Government Equality Office. Kerslake is said to have recommended her.

Although McDonnell has ruled out a tilt at the leadership if Corbyn resigns after the next election, he is expected to play a pivotal role. In an interview with GQ magazine last week, he said the next Labour leader should be a woman, naming Angela Rayner, the party's shadow education secretary, as an example.

Other women expected to enter the race include Rebecca Long-Bailey and Laura Pidcock. On Friday Jess Phillips said she may also throw her hat into the ring.

(retrieved with the aid of the Firefox "Bypass Paywall" extension)

BlodwynPig

What? Fuck off. ...thar article i mean

thugler

Don't particularly care if he is taking over.