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Re: Corbyn 24: OUR party, people!
« Reply #390 on: July 12, 2019, 02:08:47 PM »
It’s defamation, but it’s a civil matter and British libel law is a tool and a toy for the rich and powerful.

It’d be great if he did though. And donated all the money he was awarded to Palestinian causes.

Re: Corbyn 24: OUR party, people!
« Reply #391 on: July 12, 2019, 02:31:38 PM »
Andrew Neil spouting painfully stupid bollocks in his This Week monologue regarding Panorama. Claiming Labour is hypocritical because in the past they've praised Panorama but are now condemning it. Obviously you have to love or gate everything they've ever done, no in between. I don't know how a man as smart as him can subscribe to that logic.

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« Reply #392 on: July 12, 2019, 02:37:02 PM »
I don't know how a man as smart as him can subscribe to that logic.

He's a lifelong Conservative.

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« Reply #393 on: July 12, 2019, 03:05:07 PM »
A few thoughts now I've had some to digest.

1. It was, as we expected, nothing new and simply a emotional and televised version of the Time expose back in March.

2. There was a clear attempt to appeal to younger voters.  Several weeks before there was some groundwork done on suggesting that younger voters were disaffected with Corbyn (didn't go to glasto etc...).  This is marked change from previous tactics which argued that young people were simply naive and voting for idealists notions of leftism.  I heard several times direct appeals to young voters to try and communicate with others that Corbyn isn't ok.  Interesting that many whistleblowers were of such a young age.

3. It has failed yet again.  The story has not been largely taken to by journalists likely due to two things; a worry on the left about damage to reputation as the claims are based on shaky evidence plus clear attempts to doctor emails etc, and also hysteria regarding AS does not play well on the right-wing as it is contradictory to notions of PC gawn mad.

Sure it is damaging to some degree but it has rapidly over-reached already with Watson coming out badly i.e. being horrified yet present (my guess is he is, to use the "leaked" LP press teams words, an outrider that is looking to capitalise rather than involved in the political weaponisation of AS.


Final thought, please please PLEASE stop going on about the Israel government and stick to Blairites vying for the political assassination of Corbyn; if people have got to refer to lobby then fine it is relevant as evidence of other governmental interference but better to focus on the Blairites in the party that are clearly unhappy about Corbyn.

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« Reply #394 on: July 12, 2019, 03:23:23 PM »
Why?

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« Reply #395 on: July 12, 2019, 03:29:54 PM »
Israel is at the centre of all this Trenter.

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« Reply #396 on: July 12, 2019, 03:35:24 PM »
Presumably because saying Israel is influencing our politics will be used as evidence of AS.

Then when Tom Watson gets deselected, he can say he was forced out because of his opposition to AS.

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« Reply #397 on: July 12, 2019, 03:37:58 PM »
Why?

Because there’s absolutely nothing to be gained from doing so at this point in time.

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« Reply #398 on: July 12, 2019, 03:40:43 PM »
Presumably because saying Israel is influencing our politics will be used as evidence of AS.

I've definitely seen that.

Someone tried to suggest that I'd said it was controlling mp's (bordering on AS) and that talking of lobbying was antisemetic.

I then pointed out what friends of Isreal is, and that it's definition "a group in the Parliament of the United Kingdom that promotes support for a strong bilateral relationship between Britain and Israel, and seeks to strengthen ties between the British Labour Party and the Israeli Labor Party." is a bit lobbyish and they went 'well, of course lobbys exist, nobody's saying they don't exist'.

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« Reply #399 on: July 12, 2019, 03:44:13 PM »
Presumably because saying Israel is influencing our politics will be used as evidence of AS.

Then when Tom Watson gets deselected, he can say he was forced out because of his opposition to AS.

Ludicrous.  Anyone can see Tom Watson is a giant cunt, whatever position on the political spectrum they occupy.

Being serious on the AS thing.  It was obvious to me that the "Blairite" or whatever, attackers had another relationship in common with each other, right from the outset, if you compared the members of Labour Friends of Israel with the names of those attacking the Labour Party, there was an obvious relationship. 

When I saw The Lobby though, when I saw people like Joan Ryan and Ella Rose and Luke Akehurst working with Shai Masot, that was proof.  There was no need to join any dots, it was sat there, right in front of me with its legs open.

It's a dangerous insanity when we're not allowed to notice, comment on or remember, the nakedness of our rulers.

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« Reply #400 on: July 12, 2019, 03:45:45 PM »
A few thoughts now I've had some to digest.

1. It was, as we expected, nothing new and simply a emotional and televised version of the Time expose back in March.

2. There was a clear attempt to appeal to younger voters.  Several weeks before there was some groundwork done on suggesting that younger voters were disaffected with Corbyn (didn't go to glasto etc...).  This is marked change from previous tactics which argued that young people were simply naive and voting for idealists notions of leftism.  I heard several times direct appeals to young voters to try and communicate with others that Corbyn isn't ok.  Interesting that many whistleblowers were of such a young age.

3. It has failed yet again.  The story has not been largely taken to by journalists likely due to two things; a worry on the left about damage to reputation as the claims are based on shaky evidence plus clear attempts to doctor emails etc, and also hysteria regarding AS does not play well on the right-wing as it is contradictory to notions of PC gawn mad.

Sure it is damaging to some degree but it has rapidly over-reached already with Watson coming out badly i.e. being horrified yet present (my guess is he is, to use the "leaked" LP press teams words, an outrider that is looking to capitalise rather than involved in the political weaponisation of AS.


Final thought, please please PLEASE stop going on about the Israel government and stick to Blairites vying for the political assassination of Corbyn; if people have got to refer to lobby then fine it is relevant as evidence of other governmental interference but better to focus on the Blairites in the party that are clearly unhappy about Corbyn.

Well said.

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 29% (+3)
CON: 23% (-1)
BREX: 20% (-)
LDEM: 19% (-)
GRN: 3% (-2)

via @Survation, 10 - 11 Jul
Chgs. w/ 20 Jun

I know I know I know, don’t get carried away with a single poll etc. But that’s a few now, plus when people get to see how fucking useless Johnson is as PM....

HERE WE, HERE WE, HERE WE FUCKING GO!

Just need the fat cunt to call an election...

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« Reply #401 on: July 12, 2019, 03:47:45 PM »
#democracyscominghome

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« Reply #402 on: July 12, 2019, 03:48:50 PM »
Please, I'm still not fully recovered.

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« Reply #403 on: July 12, 2019, 03:49:19 PM »
There was no need to join any dots, it was sat there, right in front of me with its legs open.

Would.

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« Reply #404 on: July 12, 2019, 03:51:12 PM »
God yeah, so would I.  It would never walk again (Rodgers & Rammstein).

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« Reply #405 on: July 12, 2019, 04:00:31 PM »
Ludicrous.  Anyone can see Tom Watson is a giant cunt, whatever position on the political spectrum they occupy.

Being serious on the AS thing.  It was obvious to me that the "Blairite" or whatever, attackers had another relationship in common with each other, right from the outset, if you compared the members of Labour Friends of Israel with the names of those attacking the Labour Party, there was an obvious relationship. 

When I saw The Lobby though, when I saw people like Joan Ryan and Ella Rose and Luke Akehurst working with Shai Masot, that was proof.  There was no need to join any dots, it was sat there, right in front of me with its legs open.

It's a dangerous insanity when we're not allowed to notice, comment on or remember, the nakedness of our rulers.

I suppose it would be more politically expedient to stick to a line: Watson is a bully and is publicly damaging the Labour Party. While refusing to give any credence to his claims of defending Jews.

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Re: Corbyn 24: OUR party, people!
« Reply #406 on: July 12, 2019, 04:04:36 PM »
I don't know, my problem with politics has been for a long time, cunts and their expedience.  It's one of the things that's meaningful to ordinary people, they feel like Corbyn isn't playing games. 

I don't think we should encourage game-playing, Watson spoke of the need for disinfection by sunlight, we should give all these shadow-puppets that, clarity and spotlights.  No playing their games.  Balls to them.

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« Reply #407 on: July 12, 2019, 04:23:24 PM »
I suppose it would be more politically expedient to stick to a line: Watson is a bully and is publicly damaging the Labour Party. While refusing to give any credence to his claims of defending Jews.

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« Reply #408 on: July 12, 2019, 04:30:37 PM »
GIVE MOMENTUM MONEY:

Dear pancreas,

It's happening. Labour have kicked off the process for choosing our General Election candidates, and we have the chance to select the next generation of socialist MPs. This is a big moment, but we need your support.

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« Reply #409 on: July 12, 2019, 05:21:09 PM »
Why are you trying to stir this?  Everyone here knows exactly where you stand.

The countries were not nearly so close in Israel’s first decades so I was interested to know peoples opinions as to why they are so close, that was all.

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« Reply #410 on: July 12, 2019, 06:26:43 PM »
The countries were not nearly so close in Israel’s first decades so I was interested to know peoples opinions as to why they are so close, that was all.

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« Reply #411 on: July 12, 2019, 09:17:19 PM »
Strategy. White supremacy. Greed

Not to dissimilar to any other human trait.  I think you're probably bang on.

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« Reply #412 on: July 12, 2019, 10:41:06 PM »
I've only watched 40 seconds of the programme so far to note that it opens up with a soft-lit and pastel-lipsticked Ella Rose talking, in a slightly broken voice about how she feels threatened as a Jewish person and how she's been the victim of antisemitism within the Labour Party.  Poor Ella. 

Here she is covertly filmed talking about how she could physically attack Jackie Walker, a fellow Jew, using Krav Maga.

Poor little Ella.

Good spot, Buellers. I had no idea who she is. I see it's mentioned here:

Latest Jonathan Cook is great

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2019-07-11/panorama-hatchet-job-labour-antisemitism-bbc/

That is an excellent article.

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And I hope you've seen Formby's latest excoriation of Watson.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jennie-formby-tom-watson-panorama-17996299

Wow, what an awful cunt Watson is. I can't believe I was ever impressed by him.

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« Reply #413 on: July 12, 2019, 10:43:27 PM »
Strategy. White supremacy. Greed

Not my favorite New Order album

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« Reply #414 on: July 13, 2019, 04:32:12 AM »
Separated at birth?

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« Reply #415 on: July 13, 2019, 09:14:32 AM »
And the man at minute 16ish was Alex Richardson.



He worked as Joan Ryan's assistant when she was Chair of Labour Friends of Israel, remember that footage of the 2016 Party Conference where they fitted up party member, Jean Fitzpatrick?

Quote from: Jonathan Cook on 5 March 2019
In 2016, Jean Fitzpatrick privately challenged Ryan on the margins of the party conference over the MP’s lack of support for the Palestinians. Ryan immediately accused Fitzpatrick of using anti-semitic tropes about Jews and bankers.

Fitzpatrick would have found herself one of those “anti-semites” hounded out of the party had she not been very lucky. Al Jazeera was making an undercover documentary about the collusion between the Israeli embassy and groups like Labour Friends of Israel, both of them intent on ousting Corbyn from the leadership. Unknown to Ryan, the exchange with Fitzpatrick was caught on film and shows that there was nothing about Jews or bankers, or anything anti-semitic, in what she said.

Yes?  Well here is Alex, sitting next to Joan, concocting that allegation.



Alex is also an officer in Jewish Labour Movement, along with Izzy Lenga (the tshirt woman I named upthread).


That Jonathan Cook blogpost in full

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« Reply #416 on: July 13, 2019, 10:44:24 AM »
I can't seem to locate Jess Phillip's tweet addressing Tom Watson's treatment of Jennie Formby. Her WiFi must be down, eh?

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« Reply #417 on: July 13, 2019, 11:37:50 AM »
Durham Miners' Gala today!

https://www.durhamminers.org/gala

I've been twice before and it's a really fun left-wing knees-up if you are in the area.

Jeremy Corbyn will be speaking... And the County Hotel is making its usual show of support.



More support this morning coming from some boy scouts in Chingford who spontaneously broke into the 'oh Jeremy Corbyn' chant on BBC Breakfast live...

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Oh%20Jeremy%20Corbyn%22&src=tren

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« Reply #418 on: July 13, 2019, 11:44:34 AM »
About to go to this when pancreas gets his arse out of bed. Hope we dont miss corbyn

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« Reply #419 on: July 13, 2019, 12:06:33 PM »
Take photos and write words please Blods!