Author Topic: Gaming Shaming  (Read 4889 times)

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #90 on: July 30, 2019, 10:39:34 AM »
I would love to do a genocide run of the Undertale community.

I wish we still had karma on here.

Cunts.

Noonling

  • You can no longer jump without feet.
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #91 on: July 30, 2019, 12:09:56 PM »
Can someone explain to me whats so great about Undertale? I've tried to play it twice and it's just so very boring. I got halfway through some puzzles with skeletons (both times) before I gave up.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #92 on: July 30, 2019, 01:10:00 PM »
No, there's no point. You would never have liked it anyway, because it's popular and well-loved.

Edit: This is based on your earlier post in this thread rather than just baseless snidery.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #93 on: July 30, 2019, 01:19:02 PM »
The music is fantastic. Some of the dialogue is very touching and funny and clever. It has a lot of personality, far more than most games could dream of. I found the moment to moment gameplay pretty boring but that's not really the point. It's probably much cleverer and better than I saw by the time I ditched it (tried several times in fact).

The fans are among the worst kind of nerds going. Endlessly repeating the dialogue and doing cross-stitch skeletons and getting tattoos of Flowey and doing fan art and pin badges all that kind of stuff. They spam shmup video comments sections with how much harder the last boss of Undertale is than Touhou shmups and everyone is like mate this isn't even a Touhou game AND you're wrong AND Jaimers has loads of no miss Undertale vids, anyway. They're like the Rick and Morty or JoJo wanks of indie games. Every single one aspires to be a Twitch affiliate and do cross-stitch and make a Sans cosplay outfit but never actually wear it outside because they've got devastating social anxiety so they can only communicate through memes.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #94 on: July 30, 2019, 01:20:55 PM »
The fans are among the worst kind of nerds going. Endlessly repeating the dialogue and doing cross-stitch skeletons and getting tattoos of Flowey and doing fan art and pin badges all that kind of stuff. They spam shmup video comments sections with how much harder the last boss of Undertale is than Touhou shmups and everyone is like mate this isn't even a Touhou game AND you're wrong AND Jaimers has loads of no miss Undertale vids, anyway. They're like the Rick and Morty or JoJo wanks of indie games. Every single one aspires to be a Twitch affiliate and do cross-stitch and make a Sans cosplay outfit but never actually wear it outside because they've got devastating social anxiety so they can only communicate through memes.

Just an onslaught of weird, mad lies. Gatekeeping cishet white cunt.

Mister Six

  • Half-masted, bass-boosted, sling-backed
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #95 on: July 30, 2019, 01:36:29 PM »
Just an onslaught of weird, mad lies.

Ableist.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #96 on: July 30, 2019, 01:41:28 PM »

FerriswheelBueller

  • Golden Todger or
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • ...and I really do mean that.
    • I am antsy for baseball in the off-season.
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #97 on: July 30, 2019, 01:42:03 PM »
What’s an undertale

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #98 on: July 30, 2019, 02:32:04 PM »
Just an onslaught of weird, mad lies. Gatekeeping cishet white cunt.

That's my genuine experience, up to 'every single one aspires to be a Twitch affiliate'. After that, it's just an amalgamation of people I know.

Where's the gatekeeping there, by the way? I'm not trying to prevent anyone from playing it. I'm not saying it's not a proper game. I'm not invalidating the game, nor the people who like it. I'm just saying that there's a fair number of people who like it a lot and go on and on and on about it in quite an annoying way. I do exactly the same about my bullshit.

If the Undertale community wasn't persistently, ubiquitously annoying and obsessive, where has the reputation come from, do you imagine?

I am white, cishet and in some contexts a cunt, so I'll accept all that without question.

Noonling

  • You can no longer jump without feet.
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #99 on: July 30, 2019, 04:34:23 PM »
No, there's no point. You would never have liked it anyway, because it's popular and well-loved.

Edit: This is based on your earlier post in this thread rather than just baseless snidery.

I can like popular games - I liked RDR2, Skyrim, Witcher 3, and even somewhat twee things like Stardew Valley or...I dunno, other stuff like that. Undertale (from the little I played of it) just seemed to be a mix of silliness and "OMG, we're subverting a trope!!!" with gameplay that was beyond tedious. And I fully admit I didn't finish it etc but why on earth do people like the characters?

If I'm going to go full snark: Its the type of game that would fall under the "clever stuff for stupid people". The kind of game people who have only played 5 games would like. Its the Ready Player One of games - "I recognise that trope! I recognise the subversion! WOW!"

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #100 on: July 30, 2019, 04:47:08 PM »
No, it's all understandable. You have played many games and are extremely clever, so I can see why you thought the game was bad.

The strange thing is that what you're describing is categorically not the content of Undertale, so I've no idea what's happening here.

Twed

  • I need you so, Medieval Zone, you don't need me
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #101 on: July 30, 2019, 04:50:10 PM »
If I'm going to go full snark: Its the type of game that would fall under the "clever stuff for stupid people". The kind of game people who have only played 5 games would like. Its the Ready Player One of games - "I recognise that trope! I recognise the subversion! WOW!"
Noonling is right. The main thing about Undertale is that it's a constant stream of references to 80s/90s nerd culture, as anybody who has definitely, actually played the game will know.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #102 on: July 30, 2019, 04:55:49 PM »
To be honest I have a piece of Undertale art framed on my wall. I am not coming at this from a place of reason.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #103 on: July 30, 2019, 04:56:37 PM »
Noonling is right. The main thing about Undertale is that it's a constant stream of references to 80s/90s nerd culture, as anybody who has definitely, actually played the game will know.

I do not agree with this but I think you are doing a Bit and I'm too autistic to know.

Twed

  • I need you so, Medieval Zone, you don't need me
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #104 on: July 30, 2019, 04:57:08 PM »
bit

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #105 on: July 30, 2019, 05:00:06 PM »
Well, clearly I have ruined that.

Noonling

  • You can no longer jump without feet.
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #106 on: July 30, 2019, 05:14:52 PM »
No, it's all understandable. You have played many games and are extremely clever, so I can see why you thought the game was bad.
Aww shucks

Quote
The strange thing is that what you're describing is categorically not the content of Undertale, so I've no idea what's happening here.

It has been over a year since I last attempted to play it, so I do accept I may be totally off. But it just seemed very eager to show off about how its subverting your expectations - my comparison to Ready Player One is because it requires being able to recognise those tropes in the first place.

I understand that it does have many choices and consequences etc (moreso than other games), and I can see how that can be engaging concept, but it doesn't make the game itself good. Again, I fully admit I probably didn't get far enough into the game to see all its effects etc. But as far as I did play it, it wasn't enjoyable. If I wanted a fourth-wall-breaking comedy game I'd go for Kingdom of Loathing/West of Loathing - while they don't have the same level of choices and consequences I feel they are actually fun to play.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #107 on: July 30, 2019, 05:16:26 PM »
Nah, they're not saying it's a list of references like RP1 but rather that Undertale is conspicuously, ostentatiously subversive and is constantly winking at the player. Some people really like that, because it makes them feel clever and they can explain it to other people. It's not necessarily funny or interesting or moving, but it's enough to hook meme world nerds.


I very rarely find fourth wall/meta stuff amusing or insightful, even in something like peak The Simpsons. It might elicit a 'heh' of recognition but - for me - it's a hollow feeling next to something funny or moving. And Undertale also does manage to be funny and moving, at times, but it also courts a certain type - the kind of person who wants to explain "the layers of a joke you probably missed" when you say you've watched Arrested Development. And I say, "great, and so how does that make it funnier?" and they just walk off and do a cross-stitch.


Edit: Oh, look. I was right. How clever.

Twed

  • I need you so, Medieval Zone, you don't need me
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #108 on: July 30, 2019, 05:17:31 PM »
Aww shucks

It has been over a year since I last attempted to play it, so I do accept I may be totally off. But it just seemed very eager to show off about how its subverting your expectations - my comparison to Ready Player One is because it requires being able to recognise those tropes in the first place.

What tropes? You should be able to name a few, even vaguely.

Noonling

  • You can no longer jump without feet.
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #109 on: July 30, 2019, 05:55:30 PM »
What tropes? You should be able to name a few, even vaguely.
Tropes may be the wrong word, more subversion of expectation. The idea that anyone who talks you through a tutorial area must be on your side (Flowey) and wouldn't lie. That you can talk/flirt/etc your way out of trouble and never kill anything (common in many games obviously, but not within the actual battle menu). That no game will ever know you saved and reloaded (that is one part I didn't mind, and I understand its delved into more in the game). I vaguely recall that a lot of dialogue during puzzles are a nod to similar puzzles in other games.

I'm sorry I don't remember very well, please forgive me :(

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #110 on: July 30, 2019, 06:08:22 PM »
I'm also sorry if I was unkind or upset anyone here who really likes the game. It's just not to my tastes but if you do like it, that's none of my dang business.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #111 on: July 30, 2019, 06:32:16 PM »
I mean there's aspects to the humour that are a little what might described as gamer-reddit friendly.

But it's also incredibly beautiful, heartfelt with characters with incredible warmth and depth.  So of course people on this site would hate it.

But the idea that people enjoy it while stroking their chins and going "hmm yes I get it." Just because it has a few meta jokes about gaming tropes and the like is stupid.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #112 on: July 30, 2019, 07:01:42 PM »
That's also a bit stupid because I'd actually love it if it was warmer and more heartfelt and funnier. I didn't say it's all meta shit but there's enough of that in there, as well as the (deliberately?) basic gameplay, that I wasn't inclined to carry on with it. Some of it reminds me of Granny's Garden.

The music is incredible and some of the dialogue was touching and intriguing in the first few hours. As I said, it's clearly got a lot of personality. Maybe it gets amazing by the time you finish it but I've tried half a dozen times and I just can't get through it because of all the stuff that I find a bit shit or conspicuously knowing. I actually WANT it to be beautiful and warm and funny and I accept that's what it's going for, but it doesn't hit those notes with me.

Inevitably, I'll try again and again and hopefully one day it'll click. I've bought it three frigging times so I'm prepared to give it another shot.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #113 on: July 30, 2019, 07:25:30 PM »
Undertale reminds me a lot of Rick and Morty.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #114 on: July 30, 2019, 10:26:59 PM »
Undertale reminds me a lot of Rick and Morty.

Stupid post. Horseshit tbh

Jerzy Bondov

  • get sum!!
    • Wrongfully Adapted
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #115 on: July 30, 2019, 10:35:33 PM »
Undertale is for people who like Earthbound. Is that a good thing though ahhhhh

Dunno I couldn't be fucked with it because it's got shit graphix

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #116 on: July 30, 2019, 11:08:56 PM »
Stupid post. Horseshit tbh

Mental fan base mainly.

Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #117 on: July 30, 2019, 11:52:04 PM »
Mental fan base mainly.

Get arrested for a crime.

Blue Jam

  • Spunky McFuckface
Re: Gaming Shaming
« Reply #118 on: August 01, 2019, 11:56:26 PM »
I am currently playing/watching Quantum Break and really enjoying it. Is that a guilty pleasure? Fuck it, it's more fun than that Choose Your Own Adventure episode of Black Mirror.