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is there aliens yes or no

Started by kittens, July 16, 2019, 04:15:09 PM

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is there aliens yes or no

yes
26 (56.5%)
no
13 (28.3%)
Raoul Moat
16 (34.8%)
Yes it's part of the box set dear
2 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 46

Gregory Torso

Quote from: Replies From View on July 17, 2019, 09:07:07 PM
It's actually amazing what they can do with them.  There is a paint advert now that has a dog singing "I do it my way", and you think at first "but you can't be doing it your way because you are ostensibly a dog and dogs never do anything" and then you realise "ah yeah of course - it was faked with computers and dogs can't even sing, gotcha".

What about dogs with hands? Computers didn't make them. God didn;t make them. Aliens.

Ambient Sheep

One of the most unsettling things I ever read in this area was an account by a guy who maintained that aliens are actually all around us, milling amongst us, and they're telepathic, so all you have to do is sit down in a crowded place and say in your head "I would like to meet an alien please" and within a few minutes one would come along, sit down next to you, and have a telepathic conversation with you.

Looking back on it, 25 years older and wiser, I realise that that account was probably written by someone suffering from schizophrenia, but it was so convincingly told that it put the shits right up me and I never dared try it.  And still wouldn't, to be honest, that's how much it stuck with me.

mugwump ji sum

I don't think it's possible to calculate the chances of life anywhere else when we only have one single example of it.

Even here on earth it's all common descent. No evidence that it arose a second time.


Absorb the anus burn

Quote from: Ambient Sheep on July 18, 2019, 04:47:28 AM
One of the most unsettling things I ever read in this area was an account by a guy who maintained that aliens are actually all around us, milling amongst us, and they're telepathic, so all you have to do is sit down in a crowded place and say in your head "I would like to meet an alien please" and within a few minutes one would come along, sit down next to you, and have a telepathic conversation with you.

Looking back on it, 25 years older and wiser, I realise that that account was probably written by someone suffering from schizophrenia, but it was so convincingly told that it put the shits right up me and I never dared try it.  And still wouldn't, to be honest, that's how much it stuck with me.

I tried it and found myself signed up to Cook'd and Bomb'd.

Ferris

Quote from: mugwump ji sum on July 18, 2019, 10:25:28 AM
I don't think it's possible to calculate the chances of life anywhere else when we only have one single example of it.

Even here on earth it's all common descent. No evidence that it arose a second time.

I forget where I read it*, but I remember a theory that postulated that life had to have occurred millions of times on earth because not only did it have to happen and a thing had to be alive, but it also had to be alive and then reproduce. Who knows how many times some globule became "alive" enough to count for our purposes, only to expire 10 minutes later without an heir.

*a book, probably

mugwump ji sum

#65
I guess it would have had to be able to reproduce first, before it could be honed into something that could count as alive. It could even be that this reproducing agent then had to be able to die before it could develop into a group of things that were alive and evolving.

It's just that when people say life must also have developed elsewhere because of the vastness of the universe, why couldn't it occur a second time here where the raw ingredients are plentiful?

Noonling

Maybe it did, we just don't have concrete evidence, so nerr.

http://astrobiology.com/2017/01/did-life-start-more-than-once-on-earth.html

Also came across this great bit of wikipedia:

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earliest_known_life_formsA life form, or lifeform, is an entity or being that is living.[9][10]

Yeah, you better have TWO references for that tasty fact, one reference isn't enough.

EDIT: And this great comment on this article by a user called Fracking Saves:
QuoteThe failure of biologists to generate an abiogenesis event in a laboratory is quite sufficient to prove conclusively that abiogenesis is absolutely and unequivocally impossible.

But if this argument isn't convincing enough, it is quite possible that I have access to more information about this subject than is otherwise available to humankind

ALIENS CONFIRMED. Fracking saves aliens?

mugwump ji sum

Sorry to harp on about it, but that article just said (with no evidence) that life might have started and died out a few times because the conditions weren't right to sustain it. Once conditions were right, how come multiple lines of life didn't start? Or at least more than one.
Could be that the formation of life is so unlikely that the odds against it happening twice outstrip the vastness of the universe.

Zetetic

I swear that people really did used to understand that "Earth", referring to the planet we live on, is a proper noun.

I imagine that aliens would understand this.

Until then, just a another tiny bit of beauty crushed out of our world.

Noonling

Quote from: mugwump ji sum on July 18, 2019, 07:39:14 PM
Sorry to harp on about it, but that article just said (with no evidence) that life might have started and died out a few times because the conditions weren't right to sustain it. Once conditions were right, how come multiple lines of life didn't start? Or at least more than one.
Could be that the formation of life is so unlikely that the odds against it happening twice outstrip the vastness of the universe.

I doubt anything is so rare that it outstrips the vastness of the universe. The universe is really, really, really big. Super big. It would be ridiculous for there not to be life elsewhere, at some point.

I don't think there is enough evidence either way to prove life did or didn't start multiple times on Earth, but I also think it isn't that much of an argument against life elsewhere in the universe. Life came along relatively soon after the oceans were formed and manages to thrive almost everywhere on Earth. Even if the conditions of Earth are rare, they surely can't be so rare that other life can't exist.

José

so basically myceliums are from outer space and mushrooms are like this alien intelligence and holy shit i'm tripping balls hahah

NoSleep

Quote from: Zetetic on July 18, 2019, 07:44:42 PM
I swear that people really did used to understand that "Earth", referring to the planet we live on, is a proper noun.

I imagine that aliens would understand this.

Until then, just a another tiny bit of beauty crushed out of our world.

The war on Terra.

Cerys


touchingcloth

Here's a weird one. This will blow your mind. This'll make you say ahhhhhh"

To the aliens, we're the aliens.

kittens

wonder if aliens exist or not

kittens

if there is aliens then they will be so crazy

kittens

"Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." - Arthur C Clarke (books)

i would add to this a third possibility - that aliens exist and they're huge fuckin monsters  that love nothing more than eating and fucking me. That is the scariest idea of them all." - kittens (cab poster)

NoSleep


Noonling

Quote from: kittens on July 19, 2019, 09:39:19 AM
"Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." - Arthur C Clarke (books)

i would add to this a third possibility - that aliens exist and they're huge fuckin monsters  that love nothing more than eating and fucking me. That is the scariest idea of them all." - kittens (cab poster)

Nah mate, you've got a logic flaw there. Category error.

See:

  • We are alone in the universe

    • No real subcategory, we're just alone. So very alone.
  • We're not alone in the universe

    • Aliens exist and they're huge fuckin monsters (your suggestion, in case you've forgotten. Its a sub-category of the alove)
    • Furbies are actually genuine aliens, thus there are aliens everywhere on Earth.
    • Aliens exist as gaseous clouds and the folk that went to the moon intereacted with them without being aware
    • Aliens will exist in proper intelligent ways, but they're still at the bacteria stage at the mo.
    • Aliens exist like, light-decades away, and they're a bit rubbish. They've got a language using colour flashes like them deep sea creatures, but the only colours they can do are red and green so its slow like morse code, and colour-blind aliens are basically deaf and dumb.
    • Aliens used to exist, but they blew themselves up and blew whole planets up and actually invented black holes so they're ultimately the reason Earthians will cease to exist.
    • Aliens exist and can do FTL travel and a couple of teenage aliens have hung around the solar system for a laugh, but all the other alien teenagers mock them for hanging out in the super lame system with those lame Earthians and their lame 2D pornography.



kittens

what a load of nonsense. it really is quite simple. there are 3 distinct possibilities:

- aliens don't exist (which, contrary to what dr clarke states, is not terrifying in the slightest, but completely normal)
- aliens do exist (pretty scary)
- aliens do exist AND they are spiky fuckers who love gutting me ( the only truly terrifying possibility)

Noonling

Red things: Red wine, roses, tomatoes, love, shepherds delight/warning
Blue things: The sky, the sea, bluebells, depression, old pornographic entertainment
Blue and round things: A blue ball.

A blue ball is still a blue thing (as well as being round) just like old pornographic entertainment.

kittens


Icehaven


Noonling


Cerys

She isn't an alien.  She's indigenous.  Dumbass.

Noonling

noun
2.
a hypothetical or fictional being from another world.

"Another world" is clearly meant to be "not Earth". She doesn't come from Earth, so she's an alien.

And what about Liara, hm? Another alien species, ALSO blue.



Dumbass.


Ferris


a duncandisorderly

Quote from: Noonling on July 19, 2019, 10:14:06 AM


  • We are alone in the universe

    • No real subcategory, we're just alone. So very alone.
  • We're not alone in the universe

    • Aliens exist and they're huge fuckin monsters (your suggestion, in case you've forgotten. Its a sub-category of the alove)
    • Furbies are actually genuine aliens, thus there are aliens everywhere on Earth.
    • Aliens exist as gaseous clouds and the folk that went to the moon intereacted with them without being aware
    • Aliens will exist in proper intelligent ways, but they're still at the bacteria stage at the mo.
    • Aliens exist like, light-decades away, and they're a bit rubbish. They've got a language using colour flashes like them deep sea creatures, but the only colours they can do are red and green so its slow like morse code, and colour-blind aliens are basically deaf and dumb.
    • Aliens used to exist, but they blew themselves up and blew whole planets up and actually invented black holes so they're ultimately the reason Earthians will cease to exist.
    • Aliens exist and can do FTL travel and a couple of teenage aliens have hung around the solar system for a laugh, but all the other alien teenagers mock them for hanging out in the super lame system with those lame Earthians and their lame 2D pornography.



is it too late to add these into the poll?

a duncandisorderly

Quote from: mugwump ji sum on July 18, 2019, 07:39:14 PM
Sorry to harp on about it, but that article just said (with no evidence) that life might have started and died out a few times because the conditions weren't right to sustain it. Once conditions were right, how come multiple lines of life didn't start? Or at least more than one.
Could be that the formation of life is so unlikely that the odds against it happening twice outstrip the vastness of the universe.

conditions right where? here on earth? then multiple lines did start out, & on multiple occasions. countless species of dinosaurs & who knows what else before some sort of extinction event that left only ferns & a few of the hardiest creatures. then us, busy creating our own extinction event whilst wiping out thousands of our co-species.

or elsewhere? there are some basic chemical requirements before life (as we understand it) can get going on a planet, & as well as the goldilocks band around a potentially useful star, there's also the business of a protective magnetosphere, unless we're talking about life-forms that are a good deal more tolerant of various forms of radiation than typical earth dwellers.

I think the whole 'what are the chances?' bit is redundant in the face of trying to grasp 'infinity' as a concept... in an infinite universe, there would be an infinite number of exact replicas of this planet. if there aren't, then how many are there? & how does that affect one's definition of 'infinite'?

but until I meet one in sainos, looking for corn-on-the-cob, it's tosh.