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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #630 on: August 07, 2019, 07:13:43 AM »
Amen. The film is one of the dullest experiences I've ever endured and I was completely baked at the time. God knows what it's like if you have to sit through it straight.

Always been a Floyd fan but I'v still never bothered to watch it, mid 70's Waters actually had a nack for boiling down issues into quite simple statements but he became annoying self obsessed by the end of the decade and ever since.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #631 on: August 07, 2019, 11:37:49 AM »
Einaudi:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/aug/01/ludovico-einaudi-review-italian-composer-barbican-london

That reviewer goes a little overboard, but I’m still on his side overall. As with people like Kate Tempest, the problem us snobs have is not it being what it is, but it pretending to be something it isn’t, rubbing shoulders with stuff that comes from a completely different tradition, one of craft and technique, and siphoning off unearned credit and respectability. To use a fairly obvious analogy, it’s like if the Michelin guide starting putting McDonald’s in their listings. There’s a time and a place for McDonald’s but I think even its biggest fans know it’s still just junk food. They don’t seriously think it’s high class cuisine on a par with top restaurants. Well Einaudi is musical junk food. I know it seems like hysterical segregation but I don’t think Picador should be publishing awful spoken word poetry or the Barbican hosting Einaudi. Sure, have a big Einaudi concert, but bung him in Wembley Arena or wherever the fuck with yer Ed Sheerans. I just just find it dishonest and unhelpful to have all this stuff lumped in together, in a big relativistic grey gruel. No, not everything is the same, just allow some gradations for fuck’s sake:

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #632 on: August 07, 2019, 02:58:24 PM »
Always been a Floyd fan but I'v still never bothered to watch it, mid 70's Waters actually had a nack for boiling down issues into quite simple statements but he became annoying self obsessed by the end of the decade and ever since.

It's pretty impressive. The visuals are great if nothing else.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #633 on: August 07, 2019, 07:33:32 PM »
Einaudi:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/aug/01/ludovico-einaudi-review-italian-composer-barbican-london

That reviewer goes a little overboard, but I’m still on his side overall. As with people like Kate Tempest, the problem us snobs have is not it being what it is, but it pretending to be something it isn’t, rubbing shoulders with stuff that comes from a completely different tradition, one of craft and technique, and siphoning off unearned credit and respectability. To use a fairly obvious analogy, it’s like if the Michelin guide starting putting McDonald’s in their listings. There’s a time and a place for McDonald’s but I think even its biggest fans know it’s still just junk food. They don’t seriously think it’s high class cuisine on a par with top restaurants. Well Einaudi is musical junk food. I know it seems like hysterical segregation but I don’t think Picador should be publishing awful spoken word poetry or the Barbican hosting Einaudi. Sure, have a big Einaudi concert, but bung him in Wembley Arena or wherever the fuck with yer Ed Sheerans. I just just find it dishonest and unhelpful to have all this stuff lumped in together, in a big relativistic grey gruel. No, not everything is the same, just allow some gradations for fuck’s sake:

Meh. This commenter nails it, I think:

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I agree, this is a ridiculously pompous review, with phrases like "The intention seems to be to recreate the antiseptic environment of a recording studio" that look dismal in post-Barthesian criticism, suggesting the author is speaking with as cannily pureed an inventory and in as much "fluent cliche" as he suggests of Einaudi. Conflating populism with popularity damages the narrative the Guardian is continually pushing, giving the impression of a slippery defender of elite privileges rather than a guardian of truth.

The other characteristically centrist failing is the omission of what drove Einaudi's popularity and the commodification of classical music: Classic FM. If you allow market forces to run free in your society, don't be surprised when your favourite cultural pursuits become increasingly efficient, easily digestible, inoffensive, forgettable; a stop gap between advertisements.

This one, on the other hand...

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I think of Orwell's 1984 where the proles are fed alcohol and porn to keep them happy. Mindlessness instead of mindfulness, perhaps. Populism is, as someone else here suggests, an awareness of people's feelings and desires. Now the proles have the upper hand and I wonder what Orwell would have made of all this.
Einaudi's music is facile and just what proles would take for profundity. Nothing to trouble the intellect. Why not, in the age when all reason has been lost!

'Now the proles have the upper hand'. lol.

1984: Clever but flawed stuff which stupid people pretend to have read.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #634 on: August 07, 2019, 08:27:40 PM »
Einaudi: German for "an Audi". MYT.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #635 on: August 07, 2019, 08:40:34 PM »
YMMV

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« Reply #636 on: August 07, 2019, 08:43:51 PM »
yl/100kmmv

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« Reply #637 on: August 07, 2019, 09:14:36 PM »
YMMV

That's the thing, though: with an Audi, it doesn't. They're such great cars they're all built to get the same mileage. I went to the showroom and I said "how's the mileage on the Audi Krautrock?" and he said it was tremendous. I asked about the Audi Luftballoon, and it was also tremendous. I went with an Audi Traudl in the end, and under real world conditions I got exactly tremendous mileage. I mean exactly, not even a 1/1000 difference. I've spoken with friends who drive Audis since, and they all get the same.

Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #638 on: August 07, 2019, 10:05:59 PM »
It's less the design of the vehicle, milage is mostly dependent on how aggressively you drive, and that's something every audi cunt has nailed.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #639 on: August 07, 2019, 10:08:49 PM »
With Audis you can drive them literally any way and they will get tremendous mileage, even if you drive them upside down or like a crab.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #640 on: August 07, 2019, 11:18:22 PM »
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Amen. The film is one of the dullest experiences I've ever endured and I was completely baked at the time. God knows what it's like if you have to sit through it straight.

High noon outside the ole' saloon. Be there armed.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #641 on: August 08, 2019, 11:38:31 AM »
Meh. This commenter nails it, I think:

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The other characteristically centrist failing is the omission of what drove Einaudi's popularity and the commodification of classical music: Classic FM. If you allow market forces to run free in your society, don't be surprised when your favourite cultural pursuits become increasingly efficient, easily digestible, inoffensive, forgettable; a stop gap between advertisements.

Well I totally agree with that part.

Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #642 on: August 11, 2019, 01:13:41 PM »


I'm a bit ambivalent about this as it's a bit 'I fucking love science!!!!1', but I also quite like the design.

Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #643 on: August 11, 2019, 02:07:17 PM »
Radio 4.

Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #644 on: August 11, 2019, 02:16:11 PM »
Radio 4.

Did you see there was a big hoo-haa on twitter because The Spectator skewered Lauren Laverne doing Desert Island Discs. It also got the arse over John Cooper Clarke being a guest on there, which really tells you all you need to know about the wanker writing it.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/desert-island-discs-has-completely-lost-the-plot/


Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #645 on: August 11, 2019, 02:39:43 PM »
See, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.  God, I hope those radio 4 people fight themselves to extinction over this.  Should all be dead by now anyway, at their age.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #646 on: August 11, 2019, 03:55:22 PM »
High noon outside the ole' saloon. Be there armed.

I'm guessing you're upset because I forgot to mention how incredibly corny it is. Sir Bob unable to convincingly pull off looking vacant while his fag ash gets longer and longer did make me laugh, I'll grant you.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #647 on: August 11, 2019, 04:34:29 PM »


I'm a bit ambivalent about this as it's a bit 'I fucking love science!!!!1', but I also quite like the design.

It’s more “I fucking need to get in core”.


Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #649 on: August 13, 2019, 11:43:43 AM »
Mate.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #650 on: August 13, 2019, 04:15:57 PM »
Did you see there was a big hoo-haa on twitter because The Spectator skewered Lauren Laverne doing Desert Island Discs. It also got the arse over John Cooper Clarke being a guest on there, which really tells you all you need to know about the wanker writing it.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/desert-island-discs-has-completely-lost-the-plot/

I don't understand how the reference to JCC in this article amounts to 'getting the arse' over him being a guest? Radio 4 is shit though, of course. I twiddled past it earlier and heard a presenter on Woman's Hour announce that "bonkbusters tend to be heteronormative".

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #651 on: August 13, 2019, 04:21:33 PM »
What the fuck is bonkbusters

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« Reply #652 on: August 13, 2019, 04:24:24 PM »
What the fuck is bonkbusters

Blockbuster movies featuring female-oriented sex scenes; e.g., 50 Shades of Grey.

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Re: Clever stuff for stupid people
« Reply #653 on: August 13, 2019, 04:25:39 PM »
Oh right.