PM Boris Thread

[Endicott]

With some kind of inevitable backroom deal between the Tories and The Brexit Party that allows Boris to run unchallenged,

People keep saying this. Can you really see a sitting Tory moving aside for an upstart Brexit wannabe? I can't.

[ZoyzaSorris]

There will be no deal between conservatives and brexit party. It would be a hammer blow for the Tories (nonsense) self declared brand as the natural party of UK government and would put off the not insignificant portion of the Brexit Party vote that is also anti-Tory.

[Jasha]

They still have the issue that they could be attacked by the Brexit party in certain constituencies. So those MPs (Nandy, Lavery, Flint ...) are pushing hard against Remain.

It's not at all clear what the political landscape will be in a new GE. Last time everyone instantly forgot about Brexit and retreated to traditional concerns. Will they do the same again?

Farage and his gang won't win a single Westminster seat ever

[Suki Bapswent]

Can you really see a sitting Tory moving aside for an upstart Brexit wannabe? I can't.

Me neither, but I can absolutely see the leadership of both parties coming to a common understanding regarding post-election policy, which may subsequently impact election strategy. There's no way the Tories are simply going to ignore the party that trounced them in the European elections and hold the momentum when it comes to precisely the policy BJ wants to make his own.

I think ideally (for them) the Tories will attempt to neutralise TBP by default, calling the election as the Brexit champions, pitting themselves against Parliament and the Remoanining elite. But if that doesn't work, they'll have to do something with TBP or risk having their vote eroded.

[rjd2]

Weren't lots of people here confident we'd win an election if one was called? There was a real, "Bring it on" tone to discussion of an election, even in the lead up to Boris taking over.

What's changed? Is it just the polling?

Edit: maybe 'lots of people' is an exaggeration, but there certainly seemed to be some optimism and enthusiasm for the prospect of an election.

Possibly the addition of Cummings to the team who is very good at what he does.


Example A.

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1160931337169227782


Johnson clearly is trying to woo those on all sides who are tough on crime. People talk a lot about keeping those on the centre happy, but those lefty conservative people are very important regarding the next election.

Last time police cuts was something Corbyn hammered the supposed law and order party over,  Johnson doesn't want a repeat of that.

[jamiefairlie]

Johnson's plan is to crash out with no deal then go with GE immediately after, thus making BP utterly pointless and so reclaiming all those lovely Brexit people. He'll then cruise into an overall majority, albeit slimish. He's got enough brass neck to push through no-deal despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the opposition (as divided as they are), he'll simply use every trick in the book to ignore them and, in the final analysis, there's nothing they can really do to force him to stop. He also knows that if he doesn't deliver Brexit in October then the Tories are toast and BP will be resurgent, so he has no real choice.

[Ambient Sheep]

Is that really wise (Sir), given the chaos that's likely to follow a no-deal Brexit?

Surely it would be better to have one just before, hence all the electioneering he's doing at the moment?

[jamiefairlie]

Is that really wise (Sir), given the chaos that's likely to follow a no-deal Brexit?

Surely it would be better to have one just before, hence all the electioneering he's doing at the moment?

But if he does that, the BP will still poll well enough to threaten his majority. He needs to Brexit to eliminate BP from the picture.

Also the Brexit chaos will only feed the Brexiteer mob's belief in their holy cause, self-flagellating blitz spirit and all that. The worse things get, the more they can blame foreigns  for it all and the better they feel about themselves.

[greencalx]

Is that really wise (Sir), given the chaos that's likely to follow a no-deal Brexit?

But that chaos will be caused by the EU. Not by us. Ah yes wot jf said.

[Lordofthefiles]

I reckon there'll be an election just before the deadline.
Niggy Fadge has obviously had his chain pulled.

He's began to self-sabotage over the last couple of days.
I presume him taking aim at the royals (Tory voter favourites) is the start of a planned disengagement of Tory voters who were erring toward The Brexit Party, whilst allowing them to keep more left leaning BP voters onboard and away from Labour.

[H-O-W-L]

Is that really wise (Sir), given the chaos that's likely to follow a no-deal Brexit?

You're (sadly) crackers if you think Boris gives a single semiliquid shit about the chaos it would cause. Cunt's probably already waiting for his first offer from an arms dealer the second he farts his way off No 10's doorstep for the last time. By just about the time our descendants are clubbing each other over the last remaining pack of Fox's Party Rings he'll be in a private jet over Saudi waiting to sell a new cache of Loudenboomer Wunderwaffen to a prince who regularly beheads people who listen to Tubthumping over Amnesia.

[idunnosomename]

Remember when everyone was like "ooh you'll miss May"

Well I don't. Glad to be rid of the rotten cunt.

At least you don't have to listen to Johnson's voice much because he's such a lazy cunt. Although part of that is surely parliament is in recess and he doesn't have to do anything. freeloading cunt

[jamiefairlie]

Remember when everyone was like "ooh you'll miss May"

Well I don't. Glad to be rid of the rotten cunt.

At least you don't have to listen to Johnson's voice much because he's such a lazy cunt. Although part of that is surely parliament is in recess and he doesn't have to do anything. freeloading cunt

I kind of agree, at least the choices are clearer and starker now we've lost May's attempts to try to paint her actions as reasonable. Johnson's straight ahead cuntery clarifies the fight that needs to be fought.

[olliebean]

Is that really wise (Sir), given the chaos that's likely to follow a no-deal Brexit?

Surely it would be better to have one just before, hence all the electioneering he's doing at the moment?

The suggestion I keep seeing is that there could be an election on Brexit day itself. Achieving the triple aims of: 1) Parliament unable to do anything last minute to stop it; 2) Brexit Party neutered because Boris has done it; 3) Absolutely no chance of any post-Brexit chaos kicking in before the election.

[jamiefairlie]

The suggestion I keep seeing is that there could be an election on Brexit day itself. Achieving the triple aims of: 1) Parliament unable to do anything last minute to stop it; 2) Brexit Party neutered because Boris has done it; 3) Absolutely no chance of any post-Brexit chaos kicking in before the election.

Yep, very likely I'd say.  Johnson will the the Brexit mob's hero at that very point.

[Ambient Sheep]

But if he does that, the BP will still poll well enough to threaten his majority. He needs to Brexit to eliminate BP from the picture.

Yes, that is a risk for him, but one that I suspect he's hoping that all his "we're definitely leaving on 31st October" and general patriotic rhetoric will help defuse.

Also the Brexit chaos will only feed the Brexiteer mob's belief in their holy cause, self-flagellating blitz spirit and all that. The worse things get, the more they can blame foreigns  for it all and the better they feel about themselves.

Agreed, for the hardcore "Brexiteer mob", absolutely.  But for yer average voter, suddenly struck by what voting Leave actually meant?  (Don't forget, the most Googled thing in the UK the day after the referendum was "What is the EU?")  Not so sure that would go down so well.

You're (sadly) crackers if you think Boris gives a single semiliquid shit about the chaos it would cause.

Of course he doesn't give a fuck about the chaos it will cause the average British person, I'm under no illusion about that and I don't know why you'd think I'd believe otherwise.

However it will concern him, but only in the context of, and for as long as, it might affect his (re-)election prospects.

The suggestion I keep seeing is that there could be an election on Brexit day itself. Achieving the triple aims of: 1) Parliament unable to do anything last minute to stop it; 2) Brexit Party neutered because Boris has done it; 3) Absolutely no chance of any post-Brexit chaos kicking in before the election.

This is a very chilling prospect as it would indeed work perfectly for him.  People have said it would be unconstitutional as it violates the principle of purdah, but I can totally see him trying it on.  If I were a betting man I think he might go for it and try to ride out the ensuing outrage in his usual inimitable fashion.

I wonder if the EU could sabotage it by unilaterally implementing a last-minute extension to Article 50?  I don't suppose they could but it's an amusing thought.

[olliebean]

I wonder if the EU could sabotage it by unilaterally implementing a last-minute extension to Article 50?  I don't suppose they could but it's an amusing thought.

They could try on the basis that a member state wishing to leave the EU has to do so in accordance with that member state's own laws, and there seems to be ample evidence that we would not be doing so by leaving with no deal and without Parliament explicitly approving it.

[Ambient Sheep]

OK, so what would happen then, I wonder?  Johnson in charge, with some sort of working majority, but Brexit not happened as promised?  VoNC?

[Paul Calf]

I don't think the EU are likely to do that. It's far more likely that they'll just rip the plaster off and let us fall out.

[Twit 2]

Have we got are fishing grounds back yet? I am very concerned about fish.

[Zetetic]

OK, so what would happen then, I wonder?

Our laws still withdraw us on the 31st.

[Fambo Number Mive]

It's not only social science, but all those researchers in chemistry, medicine and those working for Cancer Research at Cambridge University wouldn't be desirable according to Priti Patel's £36,700 threshold. And then they say they "welcome scientists"...

https://twitter.com/alexandrabulat/status/1160589838447460358

I don't understand why there needs to be a threshold at all - why is someone earning £36,700 more deserving of living and working in the UK than someone earning £14,000?

[idunnosomename]

I mean I despise patel but she hasn't said anything. an ultra right-wing think tank is going to tell her to push it up to 36k. she hasnt done anything yet. neither have they, except put out a press release i guess. it's a bizarre story

[Cuellar]

I don't earn £36k, can they deport me (please)?

[Ferris]

https://twitter.com/alexandrabulat/status/1160589838447460358

I don't understand why there needs to be a threshold at all - why is someone earning £36,700 more deserving of living and working in the UK than someone earning £14,000?

Speaking from my experience of the Canadian system which has a similar (albeit much less stringent) requirement, the idea is that you won't need to be subsidized by the state because you have enough wedge to pay for your own accommodation and food so won't be going round being homeless or getting stuck into all the free grub down at the food bank.

I see the point, but 37k gbp is a solid salary - surely half that would be more reasonable (although still over the top in my opinion)

[Replies From View]

They should just have a thing whereby if you are poor you have to go in a bin bag in a canal.


It's what they're driving at so they may as well just say it.

[jobotic]

Not all the poor. Someone has to clean the pools and serve the drinks. And chuck the bin bags in the canal.

[Ferris]

They should just have a thing whereby if you are poor you have to go in a bin bag in a canal.


It's what they're driving at so they may as well just say it.

I think this is a regularly trotted out misnomer. Tories don't hate the poor, they fucking love the poor. You can't be rich unless you have lots of other comparatively poor people around, and anyway who would pick your expensive fruit and polish your wine goblets if there weren't desperate people around? Give them all a living wage (or throw them all in a canal) and your supply of cheap dispensable labour might dry up!

They just also hate immigrants. Immigrant + poor = "not even allowed in to pick fruit".

[pigamus]

They should just have a thing whereby if you are poor you have to go in a bin bag in a canal.


It's what they're driving at so they may as well just say it.

These bin bags of yours paid for by the state, I presume!

[Replies From View]

These bin bags of yours paid for by the state, I presume!

Never heard of this happening.  No, the bin bag company will be a donor of the Tory party and the poor people will need to buy the bin bags themselves from that company.