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The all-new "Graham Linehan's a transphobic cunt" thread

Started by Mister Six, August 01, 2019, 04:48:20 PM

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Twed

Really pisses me off to see people who believe in nothing abusing social justice to get their way.

king_tubby

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on September 04, 2019, 08:55:30 PM
This is like the time Emma Kennedy tried to have a pop at Owen Jones claiming he didn't care about LGBT stuff.

Ha, really? Unreal. Especially as she was delighting in noted homophobe Philip Lee crossing the floor to the Lib Dems only yesterday.

idunnosomename

Quote from: BritishHobo on September 04, 2019, 08:46:18 PM
Imagine being Mhairi Black, MP, and getting a shouty caps tweet from Graham Linehan about how you ought to be basing your LGBT advocacy on a Selma marriage episode of The Simpsons.
from season xty six

Jockice

Quote from: Twed on September 04, 2019, 07:33:17 PM
An important part of being inclusionary means accepting that people from <group x> can be objectionable too. It's like the ridiculous version of feminism that can't accept that some women can be awful people too.

Phew!

Mister Six

Quote from: Cheesewogg on September 03, 2019, 05:35:17 PM
Yes, and she basically nicked the idea of Doctor Who for her 'Fantastic Beasts' guy, replacing the TARDIS with that suitcase.

And replacing Matt Smith with a man doing a bad impression of Matt Smith.




Ferris

Quote from: Blumf on September 05, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Hummm, looks like @ContraPoints twitter has been cancelled for some reason.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1169373237836279809

This makes the Glinner happy
https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1169628483116576771

Imagine giving a shit about any of this if it doesn't directly impact your life. Who are these people? What are they talking about? Why does any of this matter? It is beyond my ken.

Kalabi

I know a TERF and she's one of the most toxic people I've ever had the misfortune to meet, if that answers your question.

petril

Quote from: Blumf on September 05, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Hummm, looks like @ContraPoints twitter has been cancelled for some reason.


yeah, seems like a messy blow up from her turning from the pretty acceptable frustration at being binary trans and being badgered for pronouns a lot into a spiral of shitting on non binary folks in general. probably should've taken a breather instead of continuing to argue, looked at what folk were saying instead of pushing back.

peanutbutter

From what I read she was basically just saying:
(1) people are far more willing to engage with various aspects of trans identification now
(2) this has led to an explosion in people who identify as non binary, but also a relative dropoff in trans people who identify as the opposing gender
(3) this focus on non-binarism has a negative impact on trans people from earlier generations when people will default to "they" but she wants "she"

I mean, it's a surprise she hasn't had a major falling out before tbh, one big positive of her videos is that she doesn't step on eggshells when talking about these topics, is okay openly talking about which bits people may find dumb and so on... which all seems like a big no no in the community by times.


#373
Quote from: Blumf on September 05, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Hummm, looks like @ContraPoints twitter has been cancelled for some reason.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1169373237836279809

This makes the Glinner happy
https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1169628483116576771

Also on the trans YouTuber front, NyxFears has locked her account since an ex-girlfriend and a couple of her friends accused her of sexual abuse, racism and various other things.

https://mobile.twitter.com/w1tchcrash/status/1169172487390691328

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdequateEmily/status/1169334885133312002


Cuellar

Well at least he's got Piers Morgan's support on this issue

THAT BEING SAID 'the kids' seem to be protesting about the waste of money/resources in making people buy new clothes, rather than making this a WAR ON WOMEN.

THAT ALSO BEING SAID I think girls should be allowed to wear trouser or a skirt or whatever and boys too seriously who gives a shit it's one school with an ill-thought out policy who cares

thugler

Quote from: peanutbutter on September 05, 2019, 06:49:58 PM
From what I read she was basically just saying:
(1) people are far more willing to engage with various aspects of trans identification now
(2) this has led to an explosion in people who identify as non binary, but also a relative dropoff in trans people who identify as the opposing gender
(3) this focus on non-binarism has a negative impact on trans people from earlier generations when people will default to "they" but she wants "she"

I mean, it's a surprise she hasn't had a major falling out before tbh, one big positive of her videos is that she doesn't step on eggshells when talking about these topics, is okay openly talking about which bits people may find dumb and so on... which all seems like a big no no in the community by times.

I think it's stupid  she was cancelled for these comments, they acknowledged both sides and indicated this was her personal experience. She had pretty much just recently done a video defending non binary people as well.

Chriddof

Quote from: idunnosomename on September 06, 2019, 05:47:42 PM
"mark my words"

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1169986652154060800

"The gender hippies"? Sounds familiar...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVa_gz-8iKM

...Ah yes.

Seriously, anyone who's still on Twitter, send him that Vox article linked earlier: https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical ...Probably won't even reply, but it'll show him up a bit. And if no one here's read it, do so.

peanutbutter

Quote from: thugler on September 06, 2019, 10:03:42 PM
I think it's stupid  she was cancelled for these comments, they acknowledged both sides and indicated this was her personal experience. She had pretty much just recently done a video defending non binary people as well.
Another thing is the idea she was cancelled. Was she?

She deactivated her account, that's prolly the right move to do. Attempting to defend yourself against thousands of people who haven't yet fully read into what they're arguing with you about is just a huge waste of time and more likely to result in you digging a bigger hole for yourself than anything else.

kngen

Quote from: Blumf on September 05, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Hummm, looks like @ContraPoints twitter has been cancelled for some reason.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1169373237836279809

This makes the Glinner happy
https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1169628483116576771

I think it's really telling that all the comments supporting Glinner's tweet refer to Contra as some sort of militant trans fascist getting a taste of her own medicine, when she has probably offered some of the most reasoned, sensitive and edifying contributions to this whole shitshow, all of which have consistently been several strata above the level of 'no u' "debate" on Twitter. I guess that's probably why they hate her so much.

Plus she's been funnier than Linehan has been in, oooh, the last decade at least.



Puce Moment

Quote from: kngen on September 07, 2019, 05:16:21 PM

I think it's really telling that all the comments supporting Glinner's tweet refer to Contra as some sort of militant trans fascist getting a taste of her own medicine, when she has probably offered some of the most reasoned, sensitive and edifying contributions to this whole shitshow, all of which have consistently been several strata above the level of 'no u' "debate" on Twitter. I guess that's probably why they hate her so much.

Plus she's been funnier than Linehan has been in, oooh, the last decade at least.

As someone trying to find their way through this entire subject I was really grateful that folks on here recommended her to me. I agree, reasoned, funny and really not someone the writer of Hippies should be happy about being criticised. I feel much the same way about the rational TERF commentators as well.

Thursday

Yeah she was always willing to put fourth opinions that weren't in line with the standard "woke twitter" opinion, her videos would often be about the fact that she could have contradictory reactions to things, wasn't trying to position herself as The Authority on topics, wasn't actually very vocal on social media. So this picture they want to paint of her doesn't really reflect reality. It's just what's convenient to imagine a lefty trans youtuber is like,

peanutbutter

I imagine a total of about 0 TERFers made any attempt to willingly engage with a contrapoints video, they haven't a notion who she is beyond being a trans person with loads of followers

Cheesewogg

... and amongst all of this, is it ok, yet, to admit that Graham Linehan's reupholster of Count Arthur Strong's radio show to TV was a fucking abomination?

idunnosomename

i forgot about that. no it was shit and he should be ashamed.

if are graham got head cancer the line to piss on his face would be the length of the country

neveragain